Wolves @ Kings Game Thread

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piksi

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What doesn’t kill You makes You stronger until it eventually kills You.


On November 6th 2001 Kings won in Cleveland 115-99 to improve 4-0 for the season at that point. It was a typical Kings game with 30 assists, almost 50% and balanced scoring. Kings didn’t play defense ( Cavs shot over 52%) – made no difference.
Pedja lead the Kings with 32/10/3, Bibby had 18/6a, DC had 15/6/3 and Vlade had 8/10/6/2. Bench was strong again lead by Bobby who played a great game contributing 17/8/4/1/1, Hedo had 8/4/6/2 and Funderburke had 8/5.


Kings finished a first road trip of the season with a mediocre but not horrible 1-2 with the loss to the Bucks last night. The 1-2 is much, much better than the performances itself. It could have been 0-3 and it probably should have been. Now, we get some home games where we can either catch up or dig a bottomless hole. Only bright spot was Kevin Martin who has shown that we can count on him on the road too. It is still very early in the season and if You look at Mavs, Heat or Suns – things don’t look too bad just yet. The question is – where do we go from here ?


4 home games coming up with a chance for us to build some momentum by actually winning let’s say ¾ of the games. Would it be too much to ask to score 100 pts in a game or shoot at least 40% before garbage time. Asking for a good play trough out 4 quarters isn’t realistic but maybe 3 quarters could be possible, please. 2 of the 4 games are going to be on national TV (BSPN). Plenty of time for the “experts” to tell us how much we suck. We could ask for some health too but it wouldn’t do us any good.


After 3 games we already have 2 of the “core” players not healthy and since we are Kings – they play the 2 positions that we can not replace. On the bright side – all 6-8 tweeners are in great health and ready to suck if called upon. Mo Taylor is one injury away from starting and Corliss is one away from playing his favorite position as center. In fact Corliss has better chances of getting minutes as a center than as SF which is his natural position. The whole world seems to be “inside-out”


There is a “joke” about an optimist and a pessimist that fits in our situation perfectly. The “pessimist” says – “ It can’t get any worse” and the “optimist” says “yes, it can” Probably, not funny considering our situation. Some of You thought – it can’t get worse when we traded Webber and then when the last season started and we were 10 games below .500 and even now. It can get worse. The rock bottom will be hit when Kings leave Sacramento. At this moment in time which is same as the moment of the Webber trade, Kings are middle of the nowhere. Not horrible enough to start over and not good enough to contend. Only one player that looks promising in his development, several solid players in their prime years and bunch of garbage and toxic waste. This has been going on for 2 + seasons now. It looks like a never-ending story. I am not sure what is the base on the optimism that some of You expressed during the summer. Lot’s of teams did something to improve. We did nothing. But there is always another summer.


I still remember the Maloofs – clowns saying in 2002 how we are going to be good for many years to come. We stopped being good in 2004 and I have yet to find a definition of the word “many” that includes “2”. So, it wasn’t that many. Bottom-line – it is their money and if they don’t choose to spend it – we have to live with it. The fact is that the “product” is nowhere near as good as it was in the past and even worse – there doesn’t seem to be a plan or a goal. We aren’t rebuilding or contending – hence we are wasting time and prime years of some pretty good players. We might end up like Wolves did in the last 2 years. Obviously, we missed “the train” at some points


SAR or KT – the question is - Why us ??? I don’t know either.
SAR is without a doubt better player who should be starting but can’t because he is the “bench” that we have right now. He would be a great bench player playing behind a legitimate PF. That would give SAR plenty of playing time because if we had a really good PF – he would be injured by now. I have no complaints about his performances in general. He just isn’t what we really need as a starting PF. Very good bench player.
KT – wasn’t really supposed to play for us at this point in time. I sure didn’t sigh up for it. He was supposed to be “in transition” as a one of the flexible pieces. Meanwhile – he has gotten permanent as they come. To ensure that - we brought in Mo Taylor and Brad is hurting too. KT should not be starter on any NBA team and he is even worse off the bench. I just hope that we don’t trade his expiring contract for some more flexible pieces of that kind. I mean – we let Bonzi go. KT should be no brainer.
My point – any discussion where Your choices are such that it really makes no difference in a big picture – is waste of time.


I didn’t want to bring this so early in the season but now that it has become obvious that scoring 100 pts will not be a regular occurrence – makes really no difference. Over the years we took many things for granted. High scoring offense, great flow of the game, lost of assists, not too many turnovers, high percentage shooting etc. RA has managed to accomplish that over 8 years despite all changes, injuries etc. Muss is not that good of an offensive coach. He is more defensively oriented. Isn’t that what we wanted ?
The saying that defense wins championships is not exactly true. A good defense leads to good offense and that leads to winning. Even the best defensive teams won’t win many games shooting below 40%. Key is the balance.


This is probably not funny at all but here are some things that will let You know that You are currently a Kings fan

-when You don’t know what it feels like to score 100+ points or shoot + 40%
-when You are shocked that Your team has out rebounded the opponent
-when You hoped that Your team would land Jalen Rose
-when You are considering signing the “Kandiman”
-when You are asking Yourself what Tony Massenburg is doing these days
-when Mo Taylor is on the verge of being a starter on Your team
-when 80% players are 6’8 tall
-when You are reluctant to any trades involving “flexible pieces”
-when Your starting PF has more fouls than field goals this season
-when at least 2 of Your starters are hurting
-when an injury that happened in the 3rd game of the season is already considered midseason injury.
-when You wasted a thought on trying Jason Hart again.

So – Bucks needed one quarter to take us apart. They abused our front line like Webber used to abuse Mavs. We sank quicker that Titanic. They were able to get what they wanted and they made us pay. We panicked again and since we weren’t really good swimmers to begin with – we drowned. The first half was solid but we had nothing after the break. To ad insult to injury – Brad is hurting and it looks like this one will take a while. As for Bucks – their front line has a field trip.


AWARD TIME

TDM goes to Mo Williams who had an easy game. Villanueva and Bogut were also worthy of that award. Michael Redd is way past it.
LW- VC award goes to C Bell mostly because he won TDM award last season and couldn’t do anything last night.
No JHA tonight.


Wolves are in town and it is time for payback. They are beatable but it will be hard if Brad can’t go. ARCO will help but Wolves have done great at ARCO over the years. We won’t stop Garnett. Their bench will cause some problems but they are not any good. We shoud be able to win it.

Mike – still playing one handed. Hope the injury doesn’t get worse
Ron – shooting about 25% for the season. Has got to get better and soon
Brad- get well man as soon as possible
Kevin – plays well at home and we need that

SAR – been good off the bench as we need more

The rest – needs to do something before I waste my thought on them

Muss – will se what kind of rabbits he has in his hat. I guess – non of them is taller than 6’8


Wolves lost to Portland last night. They are really nothing except KG. Unfortunately we are not much better either. We had a shot to win in Minnesota last week. Maybe with the ARCO crowd we can get back to .500
Can Troy Hudson defend hid TDM award or will it this time be someone else like Griffin, Jaric
LW-VC award will go to a Wolves player. And I could care less which one it will be


Can someone please beat LA !!!
 
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lol. great post piksi.

btw, your avatar really fits you. I can picture you like that while typing Kings articles like the one above.

cheers!
 
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VF21

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Destruction of first keyboard:

all 6-8 tweeners are in great health and ready to suck if called upon.
Destruction of second keyboard:

...You know that You are currently a Kings fan...

-when You are asking Yourself what Tony Massenburg is doing these days...
I don't have any more spare keyboards, piksi...

Nice job.

 
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Alright, first home game. let's get this one and get some motivation... hopefully the crowd can help us a lot. We need this one guys... dont wanna start out our home opener with a loss.
 
#9
Alright, first home game. let's get this one and get some motivation... hopefully the crowd can help us a lot. We need this one guys... dont wanna start out our home opener with a loss.

HAHAHA, like we did to the bulls?

naw but in all seriousness, we need to win this game... im not that worried about our start this year though... my points are that i would prefer an 80 game a year martin over a 50 game a year wells(not to mention that martins been pretty impressive to start the season). i would also prefer to have this years ron over last years ron and we all know how good he was after missing a year and a half and nows hes had much more time to help develop his game(although the offense is really shaky right now, his defense and rebounding has been suburb). i'd also prefer this years bibby over last years bulked out bibby(get healthy though mike... please??) and from what i hear brad also seems to be rebounding a little better than last year but the sad thing is his offense has dissapered and now hes bothered by that planters nonsense... but overall i like our team more than last years and i really think that the offense will come around.... hopefully
 
#12
What doesn’t kill You makes You stronger until it eventually kills You.
Honestly Pilski, when I read your cynical/bitter posts, I ask myself why you even bother watching or being a fan. I agree that it's not healthy to fool ourselves into thinking our team is going to win the championship but showing such cynicism toward the team you root for isn't healthy either. Take our team for what it is - a bunch of guys who will be competitive and win 40+ games - and have as much fun with it as you can.
 
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Someone can't take some comic relief... I love how Piksi takes the team's obvious problems and quite sad problems and turns them into hillarious quirks about the team. I think he is having as much fun as he can.
 
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Someone can't take some comic relief... I love how Piksi takes the team's obvious problems and quite sad problems and turns them into hillarious quirks about the team. I think he is having as much fun as he can.

I don't think it's that I can't take comic relief...nor do I expect Piksi to be their cheerleader...but if you can't find a way to be at least kind of positive, my point is why do you bother rooting for a team?
 

VF21

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Honestly Pilski, when I read your cynical/bitter posts, I ask myself why you even bother watching or being a fan. I agree that it's not healthy to fool ourselves into thinking our team is going to win the championship but showing such cynicism toward the team you root for isn't healthy either. Take our team for what it is - a bunch of guys who will be competitive and win 40+ games - and have as much fun with it as you can.
You know, you could always just NOT read them.
 
#16
I don't think it's that I can't take comic relief...nor do I expect Piksi to be their cheerleader...but if you can't find a way to be at least kind of positive, my point is why do you bother rooting for a team?

Piksi is being positive, he's turned the sad fact that we're not a very good team right now into a series of interesting and amusing observations. It is better to laugh than to cry.
 
#17
I don't think it's that I can't take comic relief...nor do I expect Piksi to be their cheerleader...but if you can't find a way to be at least kind of positive, my point is why do you bother rooting for a team?
Piksi has 9,370 posts on this board an you have 44...But that probably didn't cross your mind. ;)

When I first read one of Piksi's game threads I was thinking the same thing. But then I came to realize it is just part of his style. He's not putting a gun to your head to read it -- even though you may want to put a gun to your head after you read it. Since you are new here I thought someone should let you know.

As a suggestion, take what Piksi says for what it means to you, as you should take anything. Then maybe you will come to see that there is some comic relief in what he says. Personally, I feel Piksi's threads are classic.
 

VF21

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Okay, let's get back to the purpose of the thread...

Those of us who will be at this game promise to represent all our Kingsfans.com proudly!

:D
 
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Okay, let's get back to the purpose of the thread...

Those of us who will be at this game promise to represent all our Kingsfans.com proudly!

:D
We promise to be as loud and proud as Kings fans are known for.:D

This means I should NOT have a voice on Tueday, or I just have not done my job.;)
 

6th

Homer Fan Since 1985
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We promise to be as loud and proud as Kings fans are known for.:D

This means I should NOT have a voice on Tueday, or I just have not done my job.;)

The trick, for me, will be to pace myself so that I'll still have a voice for the 2nd half.:p
 
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prediction: ronnie "the future" price goes off! 23 points/ 6 rebounds/ 6 assists / 3 steals/ 1 block in 32 minutes of play. then gets the game winning basket by dunking over kevin garnett at the buzzer...

kings - 92 timberwolves - 90
 
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prediction: ronnie "the future" price goes off! 23 points/ 6 rebounds/ 6 assists / 3 steals/ 1 block in 32 minutes of play. then gets the game winning basket by dunking over kevin garnett at the buzzer...

kings - 92 timberwolves - 90
does he start at center replacing brad?;)
 
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Honestly Pilski, when I read your cynical/bitter posts, I ask myself why you even bother watching or being a fan. I agree that it's not healthy to fool ourselves into thinking our team is going to win the championship but showing such cynicism toward the team you root for isn't healthy either. Take our team for what it is - a bunch of guys who will be competitive and win 40+ games - and have as much fun with it as you can.
When I read Piksi's posts, it's obvious to me that Piksi has been a fan for a long time.

If decades of rooting for Reggie Theus, Wayman Tisdale and Mitch Richmond can't teach you to appreciate the dark humor that you sometimes need as a fan, what can? That was like... 14 years in Atlanta.
 
#27
Who will start at center?
Shouldn't Bibby be starting at center? He's the only one who is getting any assists.

As our leading rebounder, Ron-Ron could move to SG, freeing up KM to join SAR at PG, since they are our consistent scorers. Douby can take SF, since he's exclusively a shooter, and KT and Corliss can share PF, because they are both costing us a lot of money and nobody will trade for them.

Salmons will be ready to come off the bench to cover for any of them, since he is all of those things, if you forget about the "consistent" part.

That's 8 guys, which is already above the maximum allowed Kings rotation, so that should cover it.
 
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After Roadstand, Fans will think Adelman's a Genius

The Maloofs think that just saying they want defense and fast breaking will make it happen. Actually Adelman played the only way this team can win: half court Princeton offense which utilzes the passing and shooting skills of the players. He made up for zero post game from the 4 and 5 by posting B Wells and made all this work in the second half of the season. He was deserving of Coach of the Year for the second half of the season.

So now the Maloofs are remaking the team into defense and fast-breaking with this crew w/o any changes. Right. For starters, no NBA team has been good defensively w/o an enforcer big man. This permits aggressive perimeter defense know a Ben Wallace will be there should they drive around them. Sac has the saddest group of Enforcers in the NBA. Zero shot blockers, 2 of 3 do not play defense at all. You also need 9 guys to run, not 7. Only cnance for this team is to play deliberate Pr5inceton-style half court offense and avoid fast tempo at all costs.

Expect wheels to come off shortly
 
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Honestly Pilski, when I read your cynical/bitter posts, I ask myself why you even bother watching or being a fan. I agree that it's not healthy to fool ourselves into thinking our team is going to win the championship but showing such cynicism toward the team you root for isn't healthy either. Take our team for what it is - a bunch of guys who will be competitive and win 40+ games - and have as much fun with it as you can.

Completely 100% agree with you.

You know, you could always just NOT read them.
Exactly what I do. Never find them funny so I don't bother.

Piksi has 9,370 posts on this board an you have 44...But that probably didn't cross your mind. ;)
I despise when people say this. How does Piksi having more free time to spend on a fans site make him a better fan (or whatever you were trying to imply)????? Please answer that intelligently if you plan on using it in another debate.


Anyways, go kings.:p
 
#30
Great just GREAT!

Great just great! KT has to contend with KG, Sheed, Bosh, and Duncan 4 out of the next 6 games. I'm going to need a LOT of apologies in the next few weeks!
 
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