With Rudy on board, who do we get for PF?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think Kyle O'Quinn would be a good target for us. He's going to be a restricted free agent this offseason, but with Vucevic and Frye making it $19 mil between the two of them and the fact that Gordon and Harris can swing over to play PF, how much are they willing to spend to keep O'Quinn? My thinking is that we could be able to pry him away with a decent offer.

He's a good size big (6'10" & 240 lbs) with excellent length (7'4.75" wingpsan). His size and athleticism give him the ability to guard PFs and Cs in this league which is definitely a plus next to Cousins. Not to mention he's the same age as Cousins so they should be going into their primes at roughly the same time.

As far as his play and how it meshes with our team, he seems like he would be a great fit.

He is a good shooter who shot 69% from the FT line last year and he also hits midrange jumpers at a great rate for a big man (51% from 10-16 ft and 41% from 16ft-3pt line). This will help space the floor when Cousins and Gay are operating down low.

He's a great rebounder. Per36, he averages 11.2 RPG for his career. With a frontcourt of Cousins, O'Quinn, and Gay, we should be able to dominate the boards night in and night out.

He's a great passer for a big man, who averages (per36) 2.6 APG for his career. Having both Cousins and O'Quinn finding people should only make it that much easier to find people for easy buckets.

His defense is also pretty good as well. He's strong enough to hold position down low, but also nimble enough to stay with his man. Not to mention he averages 2.3 BPG and 1 SPG per36 for his career. He should be able to defend the better of the opposing teams two bigs and also provide rim protection to help cement our interior defense. Two guys with 7'5" wingspans in the paint should cause all sorts of trouble.

With Cousins operating down low (posting up/drawing double teams/finding slashers) and O'Quinn at the opposite, high elbow (waiting to knock down an open jumper/quickly finding an open man when it comes his way), I think they could be a very good duo offensively. With O'Quinn defending the better big man, providing rim protection and steals and with Cousins providing help defense, charges, rim protection, and steals, they could be a very solid defensive frontcourt as they continue to develop and enter their primes.

With the extension of Gay, that will leave us with approximately $10 mil in cap room. That should be more than enough to pry O'Quinn away from the Magic. From there, we can trade Thompson for a solid backup center and a perimeter player to come off the bench.

Collison/Sessions/McCallum
McLemore/Stauskas
Gay
O'Quinn/Landry
Cousins

*possibly include our first rounder (depending on where we finish in the standings)
*possibly include Casspi and Evans if we can sign them for a vet min
*possily include a backup SG/SF and backup C if we can trade Thompson in the offseason

after reading your post I searched for him on youtube and came up with this:


wow, look at his passing and shooting from 3:10 to 3:40. I find my self dreaming that he is the missing link at the power forward spot to complete a difficult player like Demarcus. Shooting touch, passing, athleticism, strength, size. At least he has the potential to be everything you need to have next to our All-star Center.
So whats bad about O'Quinn? What are his weaknesses?
 
O'Quinn likes to foul, and has minor problems with his ankles. Other than that he looks like he might be a good fit.
With fouling issues he would fit right in here: last season per 100 poss. Kyle had 7.1 fouls. Kings bigs this year:
Cousins - 8.3
Thompson - 6.8
Landry - 6.6
Evans - 7.9
Hollins - 25.6
other "bigs"
Casspi - 6.8
Williams - 10.2
As I wrote, O'Quinn fits right in!
 
What happened to Landry? I thought he'd be a very good compliment to Cousins as a high low option. Sorry I have not watched a lot of Kings games here in the Bay Area.

I do get to see them twice this week on NBA TV against Pelicans and Bulls yey!! Only get ESPN, TNT, CNS (Warriors) and NBA TV. Once I see a better price for the LP I'd be getting it soon just to watch the Kings.
 
O'Quinn likes to foul, and has minor problems with his ankles. Other than that he looks like he might be a good fit.
With fouling issues he would fit right in here: last season per 100 poss. Kyle had 7.1 fouls. Kings bigs this year:
Cousins - 8.3
Thompson - 6.8
Landry - 6.6
Evans - 7.9
Hollins - 25.6
other "bigs"
Casspi - 6.8
Williams - 10.2
As I wrote, O'Quinn fits right in!

As long as he's picking up the fouls and not Cousins, I'm a happy camper ;)
 
after reading your post I searched for him on youtube and came up with this:


wow, look at his passing and shooting from 3:10 to 3:40. I find my self dreaming that he is the missing link at the power forward spot to complete a difficult player like Demarcus. Shooting touch, passing, athleticism, strength, size. At least he has the potential to be everything you need to have next to our All-star Center.
So whats bad about O'Quinn? What are his weaknesses?

In general the weaknesses of O'Quinn's game would be as follows:

  • Fouls too often
  • Can hit the midrange jumper but he doesn't shoot a great percentage. For reference he's slightly less effective from the elbows extended as Boogie.
  • Has a limited ceiling as he came out after 4 years of college and isn't physically gifted relative to other NBA PFs
  • Hasn't proved he can play long minutes
  • Turns the ball over a bit too often as a big man
  • Has a limited array of post moves. His scores inside are mainly from dump offs and putbacks
  • Hasn't got great lateral footspeed. Struggles against quick/mobile PFs
  • Decent but not great FT shooter
Still, most of those are not issues for him on the Kings. He'd be expected to be a role player so a limited ceiling isn't an issue. Neither is not being a go to guy in the post for a team that starts Gay and Cousins and has Landry off the bench. His footspeed is probably no worse than Thompson's though he still needs seasoning in terms of defending starting PFs. So far he's generally been matched up with second unit big men. That said, I remember thinking he went at Andre Drummond pretty well in summer league so I think he could be a good defender at PF. His turnovers are as a result of him being a willing passer. I'll take the good with the bad there.

O'Quinn is a good shotblocker, a good rebounder, a decent midrange shooter, a good passer for a big and a hard worker would would likely make an ideal role playing PF to put between DeMarcus and Rudy. For people that like Taj Gibson as a fit I think O'Quinn is a stronger, better rebounding, better passing, better shotblocking PF who shoots about the same and who only really loses out to Gibson in terms of quickness.

I'd love to see PDA acquire him but I don't know why Orlando would give him up (or who they'd want from the Kings that Sacramento would be willing to give up) other than not being willing to pony up for him in free agency. Or you try to overpay for him in free agency with the hope that the Magic decide not to match

Either way you could potentially have O'Quinn starting, with Landry as the scoring big off the bench and Thompson (assuming he is still with the team) moved to backup center. Evans would walk after this season and you continue to let Moreland develop in the background to see if he becomes a contributor on the NBA level.

Not a splashy signing/trade but if this Kings team is for real and a core of Cousins/Gay and a supporting cast of Collison, Landry and even McLemore and Landry are enough to compete then the next step is to bring in more complimentary pieces. That's when PDA has to find the Corliss for Christie type moves that make an up and coming team a contender.

Is O'Quinn the type of guy that would make a big difference? Hard to say. But he's underrated (ESPN had him ranked as the 370th best player in the NBA) and likely obtainable and does a lot of the things the Kings need from a frontcourt partner for Boogie. This Kings team is off to a good start but there is definite room for improvement with this roster. I'll be curious to see if PDA hit a lucky streak or the team is playing over it's head right now and will come back to earth OR if both the Kings and their GM are the real deal. I'm certainly hoping it's the latter.
 
O'Quinn's played a single game this season so a per-36 isn't representative of anything.
You do realize he has only played 1 game this year. It's not really fair to say he's averaging 5.1 BPG per36 this season since his season consists of just one game.
You guys are right. I just checked again and I realized he only played one game this season. Just ignore that very irrelevant post of mine.

Sorry, I didn't do my research hard enough.:confused:
 
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I just wanted to give an update on O'Quinn's stats this year since he's been able to get some games under his belt after coming back from injury and because I see him as potentially a great fit next to Cousins that we can sign next year in free agency.

Per Game (16.3 MPG): 60% FG / 50% 3PT / 92% FT / 9.6 PPG / 4.4 RPG / 1.9 APG / .8 SPG / 1.3 BPG / 1.5 TPG / 2.6 FPG
Per 36: 60% FG / 50% 3PT / 92% FT / 21.3 PPG / 9.7 RPG / 4.2 APG / 1.7 SPG / 2.8 BPG / 3.3 TPG / 5.8 FPG
 
I just wanted to give an update on O'Quinn's stats this year since he's been able to get some games under his belt after coming back from injury and because I see him as potentially a great fit next to Cousins that we can sign next year in free agency.

Per Game (16.3 MPG): 60% FG / 50% 3PT / 92% FT / 9.6 PPG / 4.4 RPG / 1.9 APG / .8 SPG / 1.3 BPG / 1.5 TPG / 2.6 FPG
Per 36: 60% FG / 50% 3PT / 92% FT / 21.3 PPG / 9.7 RPG / 4.2 APG / 1.7 SPG / 2.8 BPG / 3.3 TPG / 5.8 FPG
O'Quinn reminds me a smaller crap version of Marc Gasol (which I would gladly take), he's a better shot blocker but, I just love his feel for the game.
 
O'Quinn has a unique blend of a thuginess and finesse. Would need a few additional lessons from The Joker, and he's good to go. :D
 
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