Will Mike be an all-star? (Poll added)
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BawLa
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Bibby and Nash are pretty much the same thing. On one hand you have white chocolate, on the other.... a Canadian. Bibby is a little better at shooting whereas Nash is a little better at passing. They are both garbage at defense. Remember the playoffs vs. Dallas? Bibby and Nash went back and forth doing the same things on opposite sides.
Unfortunately it was F***** that f***ed us.
I think Bibby deserves at least a mention. I mean he as actually stepped up his scoring EVERY YEAR. And his assist/game has gone up every year except this one, which is because of the injuries/lack of production. So if he doesn't get there this year, than he should definitely be there next year. And make no mistake we would be Atlanta if we didn't have this guy.
Unfortunately it was F***** that f***ed us.
I think Bibby deserves at least a mention. I mean he as actually stepped up his scoring EVERY YEAR. And his assist/game has gone up every year except this one, which is because of the injuries/lack of production. So if he doesn't get there this year, than he should definitely be there next year. And make no mistake we would be Atlanta if we didn't have this guy.
ParniValjak
All-Star
No and No
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Evenstar said:
Note, Italian is not one of the languages I count myself as anywhere near fluent in, but I know a little, and of course like all romance languages it has certain things in common wiht Spanish, French etc.
But if I had to guess:
I wait here, I wait, until the time comes that this...heat? for "the fine one" (probably beautiful one) I can't sleep, I wait here, I wait, until this heat comes to an end, and I make myself sleep
But don't take my word on it. Most of my Italian comes from crazy Trieste cab drivers and cussing clients.
vladetomiller
Bench
Suns last year were not considered an elite team, apart from Amare and Marion who were considered good talents they didnt have much. Nash + DAntoni's system took them to the best record and we can only wonder what would have happened if either of them wasnt there. But thats something we can only wonder and we cant second guess on that. But that tag team is producing results and the replacements they got this year is not that great.
Amare is out, Thomas was not supposed to be a great player, Raja Bell wasnt supposed to be an offensive threat, Eddie house was a scrub and they are all offensive juggernauts now. Its maybe because the coach gets them in the right place to make plays or Nash finds the right player in the right place to make plays, either way they are way above expectations and people will tend to give credit to the PG who is involved in it.
Similar to the kings going nuts in 2003 without webb in the lineup, they couldnt be stopped and everyone was hitting their shots and they were not supposed to be there with webb out of the line up. Unfortunately when we compare players we dont have luxury to switch them and find the results with another team and thats the way it is.
Bibby and Nash are not on the same level now, Nash seems to have his team in control and when he enters the game you can sense that they are going to erupt, the same cant be said about bibby
Amare is out, Thomas was not supposed to be a great player, Raja Bell wasnt supposed to be an offensive threat, Eddie house was a scrub and they are all offensive juggernauts now. Its maybe because the coach gets them in the right place to make plays or Nash finds the right player in the right place to make plays, either way they are way above expectations and people will tend to give credit to the PG who is involved in it.
Similar to the kings going nuts in 2003 without webb in the lineup, they couldnt be stopped and everyone was hitting their shots and they were not supposed to be there with webb out of the line up. Unfortunately when we compare players we dont have luxury to switch them and find the results with another team and thats the way it is.
Bibby and Nash are not on the same level now, Nash seems to have his team in control and when he enters the game you can sense that they are going to erupt, the same cant be said about bibby
scarlet_steph
G-League
vladetomiller said:
As sad as this sounds, I will have to agree. Given the many changes the Kings are experiencing, Mike will really have to step it up. Especially now that Ron's here...Mike has to call the shots...and be more firm about it. Once he achieves this, he is will definitely be an all-star.
Just an aside, I was finally able to watch my first live game last November when I visited DC (Wiz vs Spurs)...and can I just say that Tony Parker is getting so much hype because of Eva. She's a crowd drawer, definitely.
NO and NO............
Sorry to spoil the party for all bibby lovers. There is no way in hell he should be an all-star this year. He is having a great individual year but for a point guard he is not doing his primary job that well.
First of all the following are WAY more deserving
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant (as much as I hate him)
Tony Parker
And yes the final vote goes to a ROOKIE CHRIS PAUL!!!!!! This guy is a monster. He is leading a team full of average players and they have a way better record than us and he is leading them to the PLAYOFFS!!! Something that Mike cannot say. And he is a true point gaurd
Sorry to spoil the party for all bibby lovers. There is no way in hell he should be an all-star this year. He is having a great individual year but for a point guard he is not doing his primary job that well.
First of all the following are WAY more deserving
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant (as much as I hate him)
Tony Parker
And yes the final vote goes to a ROOKIE CHRIS PAUL!!!!!! This guy is a monster. He is leading a team full of average players and they have a way better record than us and he is leading them to the PLAYOFFS!!! Something that Mike cannot say. And he is a true point gaurd
GoGoGadget
All-Star
Bricklayer said:
That's about what I figured based on the broken Italian/Sicilian I picked up from the little bit my great-grandparents used to speak when they didn't want us to know what was going on.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
floydian said:
There are some things wrong with your post. Bibby does/has deserved an all-star spot and I think he should get one this year. His primary job is to score and set people up (he is scoring very well, and he is getting 5 assists. His assists are low because of the offense and players failing to make shots, not because he doesn't have the ability). Kobe is not a PG. Chris Paul is class. I don't think he will get an all-star spot because he is a rookie, Bibby should get an all-star spot because he deserved it last year (and they were in the PO's) and he is having a better year this year.
Mike is a "true" point guard. There are such things as scoring PG's whos job it is to score instead of setting people up as much. Why do you think Brads assists are so high?
dime dropper said:
Firstly Selection for Allstar guards includes two PG and two SG. Kobe is a SG. Secondly my main point is that I do not believe Mike is doing better than Nash, Paul, or Tony Parker. No one should deserve to play in the All-star game if they come from an underachieving team. Remember the Kings at the beginning of the year was suppose to have one of the most potent set of starters in the league. When I look at all that has gone on since those predictions by the national media, I just cant justify voting Bibby as an all-star no matter how many points he scores. Especially when the LA Kobe's have a better record than us
This is just my opinion (which is worth $.02).As a side note: It sickens me to death that McGrady and Yao are being selected by fans too be starters for the WC when Houston is playing so badly (I know its because of injuries). I am just happy they are both banged up and may not play opening up the spots for more deserving players.
DocHolliday
Starter
Ok, why does Kobe Bryant keep getting brought up when we are talking about Point guards. DId he change positions without me knowing. Last time I knew about him he was a 2 guard, not a 1. And, I'm being serious did he move to point?? I don't follow the Lakers.
Secondly Nash has a team around him that has had time to gel, and overall is more talented and athletic. There was a day when Bibby directed the team where you could tell they were about to erupt. He's doing the same things, the pieces there just don't have the chemistry to accomplish. A point cannot make the team erupt he can only get you the ball or shoot it himself. He can't make your shots for you. So, that comparison is crap. I'd like see Steve Nash on the Kings and see him make this team, especially pre Artest trade, *erupt*.
Secondly Nash has a team around him that has had time to gel, and overall is more talented and athletic. There was a day when Bibby directed the team where you could tell they were about to erupt. He's doing the same things, the pieces there just don't have the chemistry to accomplish. A point cannot make the team erupt he can only get you the ball or shoot it himself. He can't make your shots for you. So, that comparison is crap. I'd like see Steve Nash on the Kings and see him make this team, especially pre Artest trade, *erupt*.
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playmaker0017
Guest
BawLa said:
Where do you get this Bibby is a better shooter from?
This year Bibby has an eFG% on jump shots of 48.9% and Nash has 50.6%. Overall FG% isn't even close with Bibby at 43.9% (38.9% 3PT) and Nash at 47.9% (42.4% 3PT). Now before you say Bibby takes more 3's ... Bibby's 3PT attempts compared to overall shots is 32% while Nash is at 31.5%.
Over the course of their careers Bibby is at 44.8% (37.2% 3PT) while Nash is at 47.1% (41.8% 3PT).
Nash is NOT a garbage defender. He's not a top level defender, but normally he stays in front of his man or at least attempts to.
His entire team isn't required to cover for him and leave their man to cover for him.
We're barely a half-step ahead of Atlanta ... and we do have this guy.
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playmaker0017
Guest
DocHolliday said:
Thye have?
They started the year with only 4 (Nash, Amare, JJ, Barbosa) players on the roster from last year and were winning from the beginning. Of those 4, one of the most talented is sitting on the pine.
So would I.
We'd be awesome.
The difference between what Bibby does, and even how he sets up players, is completely different than Nash. Nash breaks his man off the dribble and makes the proper pass when he gets to the lane because he's so dangerous from there. He is also extremely good at the pick and roll. Bibby is different in that he's more methodical. He doesn't really break his man down, unless it's for his own shot and doesn't necessarily create when the play is broken.
Peja, Reef and Miller would THRIVE with a PG like Nash. With players drawn to Nash, these guys would be deadly for the most part.
KingCookie
Bench
1. Yes- great numbers, still no defense though
2. No- too much other guard talent on winning teams
2. No- too much other guard talent on winning teams
floydian said:
Think about that for a bit. The only way a lot of people get to see the good players on teams NOT leading their conferences or wearing jerseys with the name Lakers on it is through the All-Star game. All-star performances are individual by nature. I personally would much prefer to see something like the highest vote getting player on each team go...at least that way ALL fans would feel somewhat connected to the game.
coolhandluke
Starter
1. No - good, but not great numbers.
2. No - see above. More talented, exciting players are ahead of him.
Anyway, ASG is a joke. *shrugs*
2. No - see above. More talented, exciting players are ahead of him.
Anyway, ASG is a joke. *shrugs*
You haven't been around very long or you wouldn't use "liberal" in reference to any of my comments.
Seriously, the All-Star game is already a popularity contest. How else can you explain Vince Carter's votes when he wasn't even able to play?
Why not pick the best from each team? The marketing possibilities would increase because every fan would have at least one player wearing his/her favorite team's jersey...
It might actually be a lot more fun.
Seriously, the All-Star game is already a popularity contest. How else can you explain Vince Carter's votes when he wasn't even able to play?
Why not pick the best from each team? The marketing possibilities would increase because every fan would have at least one player wearing his/her favorite team's jersey...
It might actually be a lot more fun.
I don't really get how Bibby can be seen as both deserving and non-Allstar material. If he's deserving, then why shouldn't you think the coaches would vote him in? Or do people think that most nba coaches are wrong or have some grudge against him?
Obviously, it's because there are players that are better than him and deserve the spot more. Therefore, he is undeserving of a spot on the roster. Else, who are you putting him ahead of?
Obviously, it's because there are players that are better than him and deserve the spot more. Therefore, he is undeserving of a spot on the roster. Else, who are you putting him ahead of?
DaMan said:
I agree. I also think that the 2 questions are pretty much one and the same. The difference between them seemed trivial. I was having trouble with yes and no responses.
The only case where I see the two to be different is if the fans vote in someone who doesn't deserve to even come off the bench (can't think of an instance of that) or the voting from the coaches is extremely close (which won't apply here because there are 6 guards they'll put ahead of Bibby at least).
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