walker60
Bench
That does look good. Garcia and Douby can handle the Backup PG spot. That is a quick backourt with deadly shooting. I like it! Now hopefully we can find a taker for Bonzi in a S&T deal.
That does look good. Garcia and Douby can handle the Backup PG spot. That is a quick backourt with deadly shooting. I like it! Now hopefully we can find a taker for Bonzi in a S&T deal.
Greg Ostertag
G-League
You have all lost faith in Petrie? Let's see his 1st round track record: Peja, Hedo, Gerald Wallace, KMart, Garcia...
Let's all think back to 96 .. "What?! Why did the Kings pass on John Wallace?! For this Serbian Predrag guy?!"
Not saying Marcus Williams is John Wallace, but Petrie is a very good GM with a special eye for talent. Douby has been compared to a Gilbert Arenas/JTerry type guy. He's a backup combo guard with explosive scoring.
Let's all think back to 96 .. "What?! Why did the Kings pass on John Wallace?! For this Serbian Predrag guy?!"
Not saying Marcus Williams is John Wallace, but Petrie is a very good GM with a special eye for talent. Douby has been compared to a Gilbert Arenas/JTerry type guy. He's a backup combo guard with explosive scoring.
BK_KingsFan7
G-League
I guess Petrie wanted Douby to have a BJackson type of role, providing a scoring punch off the bench. I think this was a solid pick.
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
LOL of course that also means Petrie might be due for a mistake... can't be right ALL the time.
I had two thoughts when we made this pick
1. Bobby isn't coming home to retire. Clearly this pick is a throwback Bobby Jackson type player. Seems like everything people say about him reminds me of BJax. Considering that Garcia will likely come off the bench with him and maybe even Kmart you have less need for him to be a ball handler and more ability for him to be a matchup nightmare with the speed of the second unit. Perfect counter punch to briefly spell Bibby as you go from a slow slick shooting heady point to someone whose lightning fast and can wear down defenders and throw a quick change of pace and burst of energy in with the second unit.
2. We made the pick for someone else in advance. Seems like if there was already an arrangement we wouldn't be able to enjoy the fact that some talented guys slipped well beyond where they were supposed to. Perhaps we're already locked into a deal or negotiating one in which this kid was a piece.
Either way I'm not terribly stressed about the pick. After Petrie rebuilt the Kings from an aging mediocre team to a riser over the last year I'm anything but losing faith in his abilities. We basically rebuilt without the rebuilding period.
1. Bobby isn't coming home to retire. Clearly this pick is a throwback Bobby Jackson type player. Seems like everything people say about him reminds me of BJax. Considering that Garcia will likely come off the bench with him and maybe even Kmart you have less need for him to be a ball handler and more ability for him to be a matchup nightmare with the speed of the second unit. Perfect counter punch to briefly spell Bibby as you go from a slow slick shooting heady point to someone whose lightning fast and can wear down defenders and throw a quick change of pace and burst of energy in with the second unit.
2. We made the pick for someone else in advance. Seems like if there was already an arrangement we wouldn't be able to enjoy the fact that some talented guys slipped well beyond where they were supposed to. Perhaps we're already locked into a deal or negotiating one in which this kid was a piece.
Either way I'm not terribly stressed about the pick. After Petrie rebuilt the Kings from an aging mediocre team to a riser over the last year I'm anything but losing faith in his abilities. We basically rebuilt without the rebuilding period.
PixelPusher
Starter
Perhaps Geoff Petrie has a "No Fat Picks" policy.
kingsfan52miller
Starter
"why would we pass on marcus williams? "
Because our main PG is M. Bibby. We need a atheletic backup PG. Marcus is good, but I don't think he's atheletic. Bibby + Williams? Then we don't have any solution to quicker PGs such as T. Parker. And with Artest and Garcia who can lead the offense somewhat, our backup PG should also play offense.
Unless we'll move Bibby, I think this is a good pick, even though I wanted Rondo more.
Because our main PG is M. Bibby. We need a atheletic backup PG. Marcus is good, but I don't think he's atheletic. Bibby + Williams? Then we don't have any solution to quicker PGs such as T. Parker. And with Artest and Garcia who can lead the offense somewhat, our backup PG should also play offense.
Unless we'll move Bibby, I think this is a good pick, even though I wanted Rondo more.
Greg Ostertag
G-League
Never. He's Geoff Petrie...well he DID draft Tariq Abdul Wahad, well Olivier St. John, although Wahad brought in Nick Anderson, who then helped bring in Mike Bibby.
Heres a rare Petrie bad move: Jon Barry and a 1st Round pick for Mateen Cleaves. At least Mateen was then ALMOST traded for Jumaine Jones.
Diabeticwonder
Bench
Whether it's a good pick or not can only be determined when we look at our roster come this fall. Personally, I thought that going with a big like Johnson out of FSU was the pick, but I'm not too concerned about not getting a pg. QD can play the point in spots and so can Cisco and Ron can even help out. Also, who knows what free agency will bring. All in all, I like this pick and it gives us some scoring off the bench (QD was 6th in the country is scoring last year).
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
i dont think i could have said it better....when ppl talk bout the kings im just like our rebuilding season, isnt ur typical rebuilding season, petrie mannaged to do it without us completely falling off....
i cant wait til next season!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Geoff's made a ton of mistakes. Get tired of the silly worhsip after a while. But he's also made a lot of good moves. This one here...well, depends whetehr Douby can transition or not and if any of the true PGs available turn out to be the real deal.
Given the weakness of this draft there's no clear guy, other than Williams, who really excited, so could be as good as we can do. Just no idea if Doouby has an NBA position or not.
kennadog
Dog On It!
The Kings wanted to work him out, his agent refused to let him work out for the Kings. I'mwondering if its because his agent didn't want to give the impression that they were even thinking he might drop to #19?
After stealing a bunch of computers, which was stupid enough and created a question mark, apparently, he let himself get badly out of shape. They were saying that a number of teams reported that.
So you screw up and then you don't work really hard to make sure you at least impress in workouts? How dumb can a guy get. First questions about character, so let's create questions about work ethic?
Sure it could come back to haunt us (and a lot of other teams), but if your GP, you have to trust your instincts.
My argument might be more why not Rajon?
keflanag
Bench
EXACTLY!! Everyone needs to calm down. You don't want a backup PG who will come in and pass and "run the offense". You can get that with Jason Hart or ANY PG. When Bibby leaves, the offense will run through Artest. Period. What you need is someone who will run and can shoot as your backup. i.e. Bobby Jackson. This doesn't mean that we're not keeping Bonzi. This doesn't mean that Garcia will be traded. This means one thing, and one thing only ... it means we are not signing Bobby Jackson via free agency.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Rondo sounds a little like Jason Hart to me. Defensive minded but can't shoot. Douby can, I am satisfied with the pick. I think Marcus fell for a certain reason, and maybe a very good one.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You heard it -- Douby shot the lights out in his workout with us. Shooting = instant Petrie boner. A siren call he can not resist.
kennadog
Dog On It!
It could take longer than that. Most people thought Martin was a bust at the end of his rookie season. Anyway, you don't generally expect to get a a lot of impact from a #19 draft pick. If his shootng holds up in the NBA, it'll be nice to see the Kings have some punch from the perimeter. It was sadly lacking most of this last season.
El_Abayarde20
Prospect
Sac - Quincy Douby, G: Sacramento grabs guard Quincy "Smoke a" Douby out of Rutgers. He's big-time scorer and should fit in well with the new-look Kings, who have an entirely new attitude since the arrival Ron Artest. But his selection has to have Marcus Williams fuming. There is no way Williams considers Douby his superior, let alone his equal. (Not that the Kings, with Mike Bibby, needed Williams.) - 9:31 pm EDT
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft?analysis=1
I think its a good selection.....im ok with the selection....maybe petrie its thinking something like a trade for a center or something like that with this guy........
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft?analysis=1
I think its a good selection.....im ok with the selection....maybe petrie its thinking something like a trade for a center or something like that with this guy........
kennadog
Dog On It!
LOL. I shouldn't have missed the obvious.
kennadog
Dog On It!
If he is on the lazy side, he may be thankful later, if it provides kick-in-the-butt motivation.
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BK_KingsFan7
G-League
I agree with this.
kingfan4life
G-League
defense is what we need most. Rondo would've been perfect because he can defend, but also score when he's needed by going to the basket hard
BK_KingsFan7
G-League
You can't slash to the basket as good on the NBA level if you don't have at least a decent outside shot because defenders can just back off of him. Thats why I don't think his game will really translate to the NBA.
I agree. I would've been happy with any of the PGs but I was least impressed by Rondo. Shooting is one of the first things you learn when you play basketball. By the time you get to Rondo's level, he has already shot the ball so many times that it is less likely that he will be able to improve very much in this aspect of the game. In contrast, players may not get properly taught things like NBA-style defense, or moving-off-the-ball, so these would be deficiencies I'm less worried about in a player.
When I think of Marcus Williams, I can't help but think of the other draft day drops that become busts or have at least largely justified their final draft positions: John Wallace, Lempe, Kahlid El-Amin, Mateen Cleaves, Sofoklis "baby shaq" shortsanitis (sp?), the Siberian gant Podkolzine, oyedeji, even priest lauderdale went significantly lower than expected. There are probably a few who dropped in the draft but turned out the well, but the only one I can think of is Jameer Nelson. That to me is a sign that GMs know what they're doing, and if a player goes much lower than expected, it is the GMs who are usually right and not the "pundits".
I was shocked to see Marcus Williams drop to us, but when I started to think about who was available, I wasn't all that surprised the Kings passed on him too. He's a solid point guard certainly, but below average athletically and a defensive liability. He's not known as a shooter either, though he's respectable there. Doesn't seem to compliment Mike Bibby very well. If you stop thinking about where guys are projected to go and look just at what they bring to the table, Williams wasn't the clear cut choice.
I'm a little more disappointed Petrie passed on Rondo. He'll be a terrific defensive player and he's super fast and a good passer. Sure he can't shoot the ball right now, and it looks like he'll never be a great shooter, but with enough work he could probably be average. An average shooter that's jet quick, super athletic, a great ball handler, a great passer, and far and away the best rebounder at his position -- that's a lot of potential. That's a good way to establish a new defensive focus as well, by taking a defensive specialist.
All I can figure is that Petrie wanted someone who is more ready to contribute right away. Quincy Douby is a combo guard, but he's also probably the second best shooter in this draft (after Reddick). The guy's pretty automatic, from midrange or three point range. He's also got some PG skills (he played the position for a whole season in college) and average or above-average defense. Skillwise he's far ahead of both Williams and Rondo. Not as much potential, and there's a question mark about how well he can handle point guard duties in the NBA, but it wasn't a blunder or anything. A safe pick I'd say. Not as thrilling as a guy with super potential, but not as risky either.
This pick is similar to the Kevin Martin pick a couple years ago I think. A natural scorer on a weak team without much of the hype of the players on the big name schools, but probably just as talented. Like Martin, Douby will never be big or strong by NBA standards, but you've got to figure a guy with that much success putting the ball in the basket is going to continue to put the ball in the basket. It's worked out well with Martin so far.
I'm a little more disappointed Petrie passed on Rondo. He'll be a terrific defensive player and he's super fast and a good passer. Sure he can't shoot the ball right now, and it looks like he'll never be a great shooter, but with enough work he could probably be average. An average shooter that's jet quick, super athletic, a great ball handler, a great passer, and far and away the best rebounder at his position -- that's a lot of potential. That's a good way to establish a new defensive focus as well, by taking a defensive specialist.
All I can figure is that Petrie wanted someone who is more ready to contribute right away. Quincy Douby is a combo guard, but he's also probably the second best shooter in this draft (after Reddick). The guy's pretty automatic, from midrange or three point range. He's also got some PG skills (he played the position for a whole season in college) and average or above-average defense. Skillwise he's far ahead of both Williams and Rondo. Not as much potential, and there's a question mark about how well he can handle point guard duties in the NBA, but it wasn't a blunder or anything. A safe pick I'd say. Not as thrilling as a guy with super potential, but not as risky either.
This pick is similar to the Kevin Martin pick a couple years ago I think. A natural scorer on a weak team without much of the hype of the players on the big name schools, but probably just as talented. Like Martin, Douby will never be big or strong by NBA standards, but you've got to figure a guy with that much success putting the ball in the basket is going to continue to put the ball in the basket. It's worked out well with Martin so far.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Martin is however 6'7" with good size (well, height) at hsi natural position.
I oddly have some confidence in Douby being able to be an NBA player, but the 6'3" tweener college shooting guard you try to make into a PG is the absolutely classic draft blunder. Those guys fail all the time. Only the 6'7" college center is less likely to find a home in the big leagues.
Like I say, for some reason -- maybe his competitiveness -- I can see Douby becoming a decent bencher who can score for you. But as a bencher without a position. As a PG? Eh... and there is no room for him as a twerpy shooting guard. If we were somehow able to retain Bonzi and add a frontcourt guy, Kevin and SAR off the bench might never see the ball if Douby has to be the guy to get it to him.
In any case, there were no guarantees this draft, so Douby might be as good as any. But that little itch that Geoff gets in his pants everytime he sees a shooter aside, Douby's ability to fill our needs rather than just Geoff's fetish is unclear.
Here would be the good news:
Resign Bonzi and of a sudden you have three veteran starters, Bibby, Bonzi, Artest, capable of winning now, backed up by a whole stack of young players (CHEAP young players) in Douby, Martin, Garcia, Price, Monia. That's a pretty sound structure both tactically and financially.
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Sounds like a pretty good plan. If only something could be done about that frontcourt defense...
And actually, he does have good height if he's playing primarily PG. There's a lot of examples of small SGs failing in the NBA, true, but there's also been a number of prominent successes recently. Look at Bobby Jackson, Jason Terry, Gilbert Arenas, Dwayne Wade. Douby's no Dwayne Wade, but he could be a Gilbert Arenas. And we know what good friends Musselman is with Arenas. Maybe he had some input on this one.
Plus if you figure that Brad Miller, Francisco Garcia, and Ron Artest can all initiate the offense when Bibby is on the bench, the amount of possesions where you need Douby to initiate the offense is drastically reduced. He can probably handle very limited PG duties. And it certainly wouldn't hurt to have another proven shooter camped out at the three point line.
And as for that defensive presence, I did notice that Justin Williams went undrafted. That's a start.
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