Why hasn't our perimeter defense improved one bit this season?
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Dime Dropper
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When IT and McLemore are your two guards, you're going to have terrible perimeter defense. That simple.
Hey, there's hope. We might be leading the league in inability to defend the 3 after tonight!
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
At least with one of them we see effort and slight improvement.
Well, we've gone from someone big and slow, making him incapable of reaching his mark, to someone so small that it doesn't matter if he gets there on time...which he surprisingly doesn't.
Oh, and our other guard is a raw rookie. We are weakest at the point of attack.
Oh, and our other guard is a raw rookie. We are weakest at the point of attack.
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
Look at our guards. The only one who actually LIKES to play D is a raw 2nd round pick. No mater how hard IT TRIES to guard the 3 pt line most guys will shoot right over him. Finely the two other chuckers were never interested in playing D and more often than not they just look lost scrambling after their man. In short we really need to bring in at least one defensive guard.
Entity
Hall of Famer
That pretty much sums it up. See last 2 years tyreke would cover the guard going off so it was hidden.
Bosnian Diehard
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People are forgetting we lost Tyreke who was actually a good defender and much better than Vasquez/IT/McLemroe (although BMac is the only one with potential of being a good defender of the three).
HighFlyingMonkey
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Our perimeter defense SHOULD be weaker. We let Tyreke go (our best defender last year) and we traded away Mbah a Moute and Salmons. We need to start acquiring those kinds of players again, especially at the PG/SG spot.
Henkel
Starter
Personnel is a reasonable explanation. I'm still disappointed with how bad we are at basic defensive concepts. You won't see worse transition defense then whatever we were doing to start things off tonight. The effort on that end also routinely sucks. Most nights it's hard to see much if any of what Malone's been preaching.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Luc Mbah a Moute, John Salmons, Tyreke Evans, and Toney Douglas are all playing elsewhere.
Ben McLemore, Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Thornton, and Jimmer Fredette are still here.
Ben McLemore, Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Thornton, and Jimmer Fredette are still here.
D13
Bench
Simple, our guys cheat off outside shooters way too much (it's not just Ben). They are always mixing in the paint to double up, hoping for knock aways, steals, or maybe rebound numbers. They just can't always get back to shooters in time.
Screens are gonna happen, we can forgive a few there... but the wide open stuff is just overlooking the obvious.
Screens are gonna happen, we can forgive a few there... but the wide open stuff is just overlooking the obvious.
There has to be a joke in there somewhere...
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Kingsguy881
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Your signature reflects a quoted post that is supposed to be made tomorrow....
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1. I'm precognitive.
2. RaY Z is in Australia, where it's already Dec. 19.
Well, that explains it.
Primarily, I think it's on the players. Either they don't understand the concept of defense, OR they don't like the concept of defense, OR they just haven't played together enough to trust each other. I personally think a group of players becomes a team capable of defending only when they trust one another. Every once in a while I see a glimmer of hope that this will change, but there needs to be at least one player out there to guide the way out of the darkness and into the light of day as far as defense is concerned.
Chubbs
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The solution is not go and out and get defensive specialists. It's to get legit two way players. And play d as a team.
A specialist is limited in everything else he does. You gain one thing and lose everything else. Neither Douglas or mbah a moute made us any better in the wins column.
The real problem is just a complete lack of chemistry. It wasn't there before the new guys joined, and it's even worse now. It starts with IT and cousins on d.
Teams like the spurs manage to have great team d without having great individual defenders. We are less than the sum of our parts.
Anyone still harboring playoff delusions?
A specialist is limited in everything else he does. You gain one thing and lose everything else. Neither Douglas or mbah a moute made us any better in the wins column.
The real problem is just a complete lack of chemistry. It wasn't there before the new guys joined, and it's even worse now. It starts with IT and cousins on d.
Teams like the spurs manage to have great team d without having great individual defenders. We are less than the sum of our parts.
Anyone still harboring playoff delusions?
Duncan and Leonard are great individual defenders. The rest of their main guys are able to hold their own at very least. See Danny Green's performance against Wade/LeBron in the finals, or even Bonner's against Zach Randolph in the WCFs.
Hadlowe
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I just can't agree with that. The modern NBA rules make it nearly impossible to prevent dribble penetration to at least fifteen feet. The guards are only partially at fault for allowing the live ball to get into the lane, but it's a team problem there. The lack of a real rim protector is the number one problem (and part of the reason I think Acy might make a real case for major minutes as the dime-store Josh Smith PF for the team). With a rim protector, you force contested layups or 15-20 foot jumpers, the worst shots in basketball. Without it, you give up free throws and layups.
Once you get a rim protector, the perimeter guys can gamble more by chasing guys off the three point line because they know that nothing free will come in the paint. Someone compared the team to Golden State in the game thread yesterday.
re: Chalmers, do not want. Not only is he an incorrigible dirtbag, but he also blows his assignments and rotations far too often. I watched the heat/pacers game last night and Chalmers was just dreadful on the defensive end.
Having a rim protector doesnt stop korver from dropping 8 3s on our heads though.
Demarcus has shown the ability to protect the rim and clean up the glass, if he had alot more trust in the defensive gameplan he would be able to showcase those skills more.
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