Why can't Moore catch a pass?

[Showtime]

It seems every game, there is at least one instance where an inside pass is dropped by Moore. Beno can beat his man and draw the help defender inside, and when he is able to get the ball to Moore, he can't handle it. The same things happens when Brad is able to send an inside pass too. Why can't Moore handle the ball when guys get it to him down low?

 

[ParniValjak]

Because he has bricks for hands?!

 

[hoopsfan]

He must have Kwame-itis.

 

[kings20993]

He must have Kwame-itis.

he makes kwame look like webber

 

[TR_9]

ButterFingers?

 

[eastcoastking]

because the passes aren't consistent, especially from beno, who does a pick and "run through the roller's lane, before he gets a chance to, and throw up a layup in traffic" as opposed to a pick and roll. we really don't have a pg that can run the pick and roll effectively, and considering that was mikki's bread and butter when he was with the nets (either roll or pop, with kidd or carter), its no suprise that he has struggled with the kings. brad and ron(sometimes) are the only ones make an effort to get the ball to mikki. he drops fewer of their passes than anyone else because he expects it from them.

now all that being said... he should be ready for the pass whether they throw it or not, no matter who it comes from. no excuses.

 

[kingsfan916]

because he gets surprised when he gets the ball he doesnt have his hands up and ready even though he knos the ball will come his way he cannot put his hands up and keep his eyes on the ball

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Mikki being a role player in many facets of the game is made all the moreso because of his hands; considering that he's a high % shooter, if his hands were at the ready he could easily be a 10 ppg scorer.

 

[SCKingsfan]

I think what makes it all the more frustrating is that he moves so well without the ball to the basket - his timing and positioning are great. Just not the right combination of moving and reaction skills.

 

[D13]

I like "Oven-Mits-Moore" for his new nickname...

Seriously, the guy has helped us in more ways than he hurts us. Not to mention he's a great teammate and a good influence for the young guys.

 

[piksi]

I like "Oven-Mits-Moore" for his new nickname...

Seriously, the guy has helped us in more ways than he hurts us. Not to mention he's a great teammate and a good influence for the young guys.

sounds just like Mateen who was much, much cheaper and didn't waste anyone's playing time

 

[jdbraver]

Mateen Cleaves? Wow, Mikki gets no respect here. Honestly, he isn't a bad player. I enjoy watching his game. Its like people here expect allstar numbers out of him because of his contract. That in my opinion is just not right. How many Allstars play for midlevel exception money.

 

[piksi]

Mateen Cleaves? Wow, Mikki gets no respect here. Honestly, he isn't a bad player. I enjoy watching his game. Its like people here expect allstar numbers out of him because of his contract. That in my opinion is just not right. How many Allstars play for midlevel exception money.

less than 8 pts and less than 6 rebounds per 28+ minutes of play for that kind of money - we are getting robbed. And if he was any good he would play more than 28+ minutes because most of the nights we rather go small than play Mikki. Was it already mentioned that he can't catch the ball ? The deal that was made should have included Jason Kidd because he made Mikki look decent from time to time but we don't have anyone that good.

 

[jimbodan]

Because he isn't very good

 

[jdbraver]

Would we be under the cap if he signed a smaller contract? Nope. So, the size of his contract is a bit irrelevant unless you are one of the Maloofs.

I for one didn't expect him to be a rebounding machine. His rebounds are about the same as last year. I also didn't see him as a post player, just look at him. What he is good at is the pick and pop ten foot shots. That is what one could reasonably expect from him. Unfortunately, nobody on this team can run the pick and pop effectively. That isn't Mikki's fault.

The blame should be on Petrie for not fitting the right pieces together. But let's not compare cleaves to Mikki skillwise.

 

[Tarindel]

I've been calling him Mikki "Oven Mitts" Moore since about the third game he played with the Kings.

 

[VF21]

Did Moore have this problem in New Jersey? If not, then one has to wonder just a bit if it's the passers that are part of the problem. I've noticed, as mentioned above, that he doesn't bobble everyone's passes. Ones that are thrown too low, however, are a real problem for him. I think it's more a matter of he and the team getting used to each other than anything else.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

thats why his minutes are getting lower and lower until hopefully he gets none, its not that i think hes terrible, but i dont see what he does better than shelden.. ( i would say the same about hawes, but lets face it hawes plays terrible D and mikki gets real good position down low )

 

[VF21]

We've had Shelden Williams for less than a week. I'm gonna watch and see how it shakes out with regards to Moore and Shelden.

 

[Gary]

less than 8 pts and less than 6 rebounds per 28+ minutes of play for that kind of money - we are getting robbed. And if he was any good he would play more than 28+ minutes because most of the nights we rather go small than play Mikki. Was it already mentioned that he can't catch the ball ? The deal that was made should have included Jason Kidd because he made Mikki look decent from time to time but we don't have anyone that good.

For once I agree with you.. Whether the Kings win or lose he averages the same. Only player on the Kings with major playing time with no disparity whether we win or lose.

Moore is a bench player at best, but he is a good influence on the younger players, and is an energy type guy. I have a feeling if Moore was off the bench playing 20 minutes rather than starting and playing 28 minutes he would still give us the 8ppg 5rpg.

 

[6th]

I honestly do not understand the animosity towards Mikki Moore. If it is because we are paying him more than he is worth, whose fault is that? Certainly not Moore's fault that Petrie (and the Maloofs) threw that much money at him.

Mikki seems like a very very good guy. I love his energy and effort. He's a great role model for younger players. He is a very positive influence in the clubhouse, by all accounts.

Yes, I have called him "stone hands" on more than one occasion. Doesn't mean that I hate him or want him benched. Again, if you think he's not worth all that money, complain to Petrie rather than calling for Moore's head.

 

[tyrant]

Some of it may have to do with the way the passes are thrown. But mikki moore is top of the line garbage. He brings a good attitude. That's it. And I give him credit for that. I cannot build a theology based on my personal bitterness. But This issue is not a personal one. He stinks. Its a team issue, its a league issue, its a nationwide issue, and eating while watching moore can turn into a health issue. I can't watch him in the post without my stomach turning. And his "savvy" hair. Anyone can have a job in the NBA. Our refs are the worst. A lot of these coaches are clueless. And a lot of players aren't worth $10 an hour at walmart. Speaking of walmart...those should be our new uniforms. The blue vest with the yellow smiley faces. Because that's how much teams are intimidated. Leave a pink slip in his locker saying........Where Buying You Out Happens.

 

[km23]

one thing that i think it is about miki is that when he first came here, i always heard him about being a shooter, never a low post player and u never see that hes always in the post, which isnt a bad thing because he has been working on his low post game all season

but i think he should shoot the ball more from since that is what i heard him being good about and yes, he is a great role model for the younger players, he can bump the croud with his hustle plays

 

[fnordius]

thats why his minutes are getting lower and lower until hopefully he gets none, its not that i think hes terrible, but i dont see what he does better than shelden.

Better FG % and FT %, at a cost of reduced rebounding, blocks and steals.

Neither one of them has shown that they ought to be starters in the Western Conference, but Shelden's enough of an unknown quantity that there's still hope.

 

[John Galt]

I honestly do not understand the animosity towards Mikki Moore. If it is because we are paying him more than he is worth, whose fault is that? Certainly not Moore's fault that Petrie (and the Maloofs) threw that much money at him.

Mikki seems like a very very good guy. I love his energy and effort. He's a great role model for younger players. He is a very positive influence in the clubhouse, by all accounts.

Yes, I have called him "stone hands" on more than one occasion. Doesn't mean that I hate him or want him benched. Again, if you think he's not worth all that money, complain to Petrie rather than calling for Moore's head.

I don't think anyone dislikes him as a person or wishes him ill.

But I wish he was not playing big minutes on my team. He is not a very good basketball player. It is an even money bet in any given game whether he will have more points or personal fouls. How many starting 4's in the league can you name who are less productive?

".......crickets chirping........"

 

[6th]

I don't think anyone dislikes him as a person or wishes him ill.

But I wish he was not playing big minutes on my team. He is not a very good basketball player. It is an even money bet in any given game whether he will have more points or personal fouls. How many starting 4's in the league can you name who are less productive?

".......crickets chirping........"

Okay, I can understand that. I don't think he is a starter. Circumstances on the Kings needed him to start. Look who we had to start the season. It boiled down to he and KT. I'll take Mikki anyday given that choice.

Hopefully, our youngsters will come along and eventually be ready to start. At this point, I don't think anyone else is any more ready to start than Mikki.

 

[VF21]

I don't think anyone dislikes him as a person or wishes him ill.

But I wish he was not playing big minutes on my team. He is not a very good basketball player. It is an even money bet in any given game whether he will have more points or personal fouls. How many starting 4's in the league can you name who are less productive?

".......crickets chirping........"

I LIKE that he uses his fouls. I like it a lot more than watching our players step aside and let people take strolls through the paint like a walk in the park on a Sunday afternoon.


He's not out there to make points. We have players to do that.

 

[fnordius]

I honestly do not understand the animosity towards Mikki Moore. If it is because we are paying him more than he is worth, whose fault is that? Certainly not Moore's fault that Petrie (and the Maloofs) threw that much money at him.

Mikki seems like a very very good guy. I love his energy and effort. He's a great role model for younger players. He is a very positive influence in the clubhouse, by all accounts.

Yes, I have called him "stone hands" on more than one occasion. Doesn't mean that I hate him or want him benched. Again, if you think he's not worth all that money, complain to Petrie rather than calling for Moore's head.

I mostly agree with you. I think that Mikki's very likeable, and I don't doubt that he's making an effort to play well. And he's not to blame for his contract, as you say, the fault there was with the front office. It's also not his fault that his presence has meant very little development of younger bigs. Again, the FO is to blame.

But just because I like him, and hold him blameless, doesn't mean that I want him to have a lot of PT. I really liked Scot Pollard, too, but I never wanted to see him play 30 minutes a game.

Something I've thought about a lot lately is just that tradeoff. It's obvious that fans are influenced by their feelings about players as people. I think it would be possible to put together a team which would be well liked despite very few wins. I already know that it's possible to blow off a lot of fans by signing someone they really don't respect as a person, because I've seen it happen.

I once knew someone with a personality which was very, very much like Ron Artest's. I'm sure that colors my feelings any time the topic comes up. I cannot hate the guy, but I also cannot bring myself to rely on him. I'm sure that other fans, with different backgrounds, have various strong, gut reactions like that to players. I believe that those are responsible for a lot of the debates around here. Almost all of us can think of players who would disgust us so much that we wouldn't want them even if they made the team play better. Almost all of us will be more patient with players who we really like. And we're just not going to be able agree on who is a keeper and who is a cancer. Experiences are too different.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Better FG % and FT %, at a cost of reduced rebounding, blocks and steals.

Neither one of them has shown that they ought to be starters in the Western Conference, but Shelden's enough of an unknown quantity that there's still hope.

To be honest, i saw shelden play in atlanta a few times a year, so until he came here i never really watched him play.. i saw him at duke alot but college is different.

just going with what he's done while in sac ( i know, only 3 games... ) his numbers are alot better than mikki ..

Shelden while in Sac :
6.7 mpg 545fg% ( same as mikki this year ) .600 ft% 2RPg .67Bpg 5PPG

... i also think its wierd that he's doing better with sac in 7 mins then he did in atl with 11 mins... its early..

 

[CruzDude]

I don't think the Nets passed to Mikki down low very much if at all. Seems all his points were jumpers or clear path 2-3 steppers to the bucket in NJ, and even here. It is likely unfamiliar territory. Plus he just doesn't look like he has "quick" hands. Yeah frustrating. Lets hope Shelden can displace him as a starter as Mikki does bring some energy and might be good off the bench with Cisco.

Wonder if he has small hands like Kvarme and our KT?