Where are they now ???

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During the series with Seattle, there was talk WE LET JEROME JAMES GO TO EARLY ... let's have a look back:

1998 the King's #1 draft was Jason Williams ... #2 was Jerome James
1999 King's did not have a 1st round pick ... Ryan Robertson 2nd round pick
2000 ... Hedo in the 1st Round ... Jabari Smith in the 2nd Round
2001 ... Gerald Wallace 1st Round .... Maurice Jeffers in the 2nd
2002 ... Dan Dickau 1st Round ... Corsley Edwards 2nd Round
2003 .... No 1st or 2nd Round picks
2004 ... Kevin Martin ,,, Ricky Minard in the 2nd Round

1997 ... Olivier St Jean (Tariq Abdul-Wahad) ... Anthony Johnson 2nd Round
1996 ... Predrag Stojakovic ... Randy Livingston 2nd Round

So, looking back ... how many of those names are BIG IN THE NBA and how many are you saying WHO THE HECK IS THAT ??? How many are STILL in the King's organization ??? Does Adelman have an issue developing young talent ???

Just curious ...
 
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#2
intersting poing with the question of adelman being able to develop talent. IMO the answer is no. but some of these guys may just develop their talent when the leave because they are older and more mature. also, a lot of these guys were late round picks, so obviously not as talented.
 
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Some of these guys needed time to shine. For example Hedo's minutes were almost completely taken away when Pedja was getting hot. Gerald Wallace was rotting on our bench most of the time. Sure, Aldelman has a problem managing the bench, but when your team has lots of super starts to choose from, you only have 48 minutes to play your team. Its all about what the coach decides to do.
 

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A-D-E-L-M-A-N...

Is it that difficult to spell the man's name properly?

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I do not think Adelman has difficult developing young talent so much as he may just recognize that some players are simply not going to fit in. A LOT of drafted players don't make it with their first teams. That's doesn't mean they're not any good or that they aren't being properly utilized. It means they need a different type of dynamic in which to function...

I guess I'm trying to figure out what you were really asking, Folsom Al, because I don't see anything unusual.
 
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Fillmoe

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Dan Dickau is playing exceptionally down in New Orleans
Jabari is with the Nets
Randy Livingston plays for Utah
Everyone knows where JWill is at.....
Jerome James is somewhere in Seattle with his garbage bag
 
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VF21 said:
I do not think Adelman has difficult developing young talent so much as he may just recognize that some players are simply not going to fit in. A LOT of drafted players don't make it with their first teams. That's doesn't mean they're not any good or that they aren't being properly utilized. It means they need a different type of dynamic in which to function...

I guess I'm trying to figure out what you were really asking, Folsom Al, because I don't see anything unusual.
Not really asking anything ... just thought it to be interesting to have a look back at the growth of the King's (thru the draft) since Adelman arrived.

You bring up an interesting point .... # of players that actually make the NBA a career.

It's been said 5% of the players drafted, are employed 2 years in the NBA.

On a normal draft ... 30 players per round at 2 rounds = 60 players

5% * 60 = 3 players make it

ps - thanx for the update Fillmoe
 
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I think Adelman is just a coach that relies HEAVILY on his veterans to get the job done. He'll work a rookie or inexperienced guy into the rotation for some minutes during the season, but come the playoffs or a close 4th quarter he goes to the vet's every time. This team hasn't needed to nuture and develop young players lately since we usually reload the bench with journeymen and free agents or by trades.
Someday this'll probably catch up to us since every team needs young talent. But Darius and Kevin Martin are a nice start we just need to hold on to them. I know we didn't draft Songaila or Evens but to me they count as "young" players that this team should develop.
 
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What does Adelman have to do with draft picks? You should be asking whether or not Petrie's reputation as a shrewd drafter is overrated. The answer to that would be yes.
 

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Venom - I think he was talking about whether or not (once Petrie has selected them) our rookies (you know, draft picks after they've signed the contract ;) ) are given a fair shot at success.

For the record, Petrie's true genius is generally recognized to be in trading players, not in drafting them.

:D
 
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Venom said:
What does Adelman have to do with draft picks? You should be asking whether or not Petrie's reputation as a shrewd drafter is overrated. The answer to that would be yes.
Who said Adelman had anything to do with selecting which player to draft ???

I'm not asking anything about Petrie, as well ...

Like I WAS TRYING TO SAY ... just looking back at the King's draft history since Adelman's arrival. It is what it is ... I wasn't placing any judgement or questioning drafts or anything like that (well, I did throw-in a dart about developing new players) .... if that's what you want to do, be my guest ... plenty of room on these boards.

Your comment about PETRIE BEING OVER-RATED ... we've been down that road in a few other threads. Heck, the predicatment the King's are in didn't happen on its' own ... but, like VF mentioned .... trades & drafts ... two entirely different scenarios.
 
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Dan dickau was not our pick - we chose it for atlanta and took their future pick I believe.

As far as picks go, look at the spurs - they've been picking in the late 20's for the better part of the last decade and 4 of their top players are draftees - the kings only have peja to show for their drafts, and that was 9 years ago
 
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1998 the King's #1 draft was Jason Williams ... #2 was Jerome James

Williams: was hot here in Sac playing our tempo, stock dropped in Memphis even though the numbers were similar if not better. Liability defensivily, while streaky on offense. He had his chance here.
(sidenote: some Lakers fans are hoping they acquire him, take the shackles off him and bring Showtime back to LA. Even if they aren't winning, they'll at least be entertaining. If not him, than the defensive Watson.)

James: Same ol James. He killed us in the play-offs this year, but did nothing in the previous years. Drafted in 98' and only in 05' did he do anything.

1999 King's did not have a 1st round pick ... Ryan Robertson 2nd round pick

Robertson: Don't remember much about him. I can't remember if he made the team. No longer in the league.

2000 ... Hedo in the 1st Round ... Jabari Smith in the 2nd Round

Hedo: Hedo could've developed here, he just didn't have any place to play. He was behind an All-Star in Peja, and an impact defensive specialist in Christie. Could've used him this year with our thin bench. He helped net us Miller.

Smith: Good guy, bench player, not sure if he'll develop beyond what he already is. Had two stints with us, and is now in Jersey playing decent minutes. Is a big body if nothing else.

2001 ... Gerald Wallace 1st Round .... Maurice Jeffers in the 2nd

Wallace: Wallace never was able to find his niche here in Sac. When he got consistent minutes he played great, but without a jumpshot, those times were far and few. He's not a "Kings" ball kind of guy. He has lots athleticism, but in our system, he wasn't able to use that. You can tell he wasn't comfortable with catching and shooting. He's a good model for what not to do if Martin and Evans are paying attention. Play within the system but look for those moments where you can go to your strengths. Wallace got into the habit of trying to fit in too much and became invisible.

Jeffers: I don't remember him at all.

2002 ... Dan Dickau 1st Round ... Corsley Edwards 2nd Round

Dickau: He never played for us. He's gotten big minutes in NO, but the numbers aren't anything spectacular. He's had some nice games, and even a game winner or two, but I don't think he would've done much for us. His time in NO should keep him in the league a couple more years.

Edwards: NO signed him to a 10 day contract earlier in the year. I'm not sure what happened after that. I assume that was it for him. If you can't find room to play in NO, there's no chance at doing anything with us.

Kevin Martin ,,, Ricky Minard in the 2nd Round

Martin: I like his game. If he can develop his jump shot, he should do well here in Sac. Like I mentioned earlier, hopefully he doesn't fall into the same hole as Wallace did. He looks comfortable putting the ball on the floor, and has nice hang time and body control when he pulls up in traffic. He should continue to develop those skills and use them.

Minard: I thought he was going to make the team, but he lost out to Barnes. Don't know much about him, except that he was a PG due to size. Was supposedly a tough and physical defender. If that was true, we could've used that, but I'm not sure he would've seen much playing time as inexperience as he is.

1996 ... Predrag Stojakovic ... Randy Livingston 2nd Round

Sojakovic: Who says Adelman doesn't develop players? I never did. Though, even after all these years, Peja is still primarily a shooter and not much more. Still, he went from unknown to All-star, and helped establish the Kings, and contributed to the whole Euro craze. Everybody wanted a Peja of their own.

Livingston: I don't remember him at all.

1997 ... Olivier St Jean (Tariq Abdul-Wahad) ... Anthony Johnson 2nd Round

Wahad: A bench player/journey man, we got everything that we could out of him. Was traded to Orlando, and put up slightly better numbers. For awhile there, I thought he was going to be part of our future, but that wasn't so. Can't remember why he was traded. Hasn't done much these days so it's not a huge loss.

Johnson: A mediocre guard. Due to injury, he's been able to contribute in Indiana. Still, nothing to make you regret losing him.

Out of that list, only Hedo and Wallace can really be consider losses; mainly Hedo. Hedo could possiby develop into a star. He's had good regular seasons, but hasn't been quite be as hot in the post-season. He's still young and has time. Wallace can be a valued role player with his hustle and energy. I wish he would develop his defensive game more.
 
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Fillmoe

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to be honest some of the passes williams made when he was with sacramento were amazing!
 
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look back at all the drafts over the years, and very few players drafted outside of the early first round make a big impact. just think about- a team of 12 guys adds 2 more every year, that can't be sustained. guys naturally fail and go to europe or somewhere else. the other thing you have to consider when reviewing the draft results is that this has been a successful team and thus doesn't get early round picks and then can't grab big impact players. the draft is mainly to help the worse 5 or 6 teams grab the only guys that can really make an instant impact. for every other player in the draft, it's a crapshoot to try to figure out who's going to make an impact 4 or 5 years down the line.

james deserved to be cut. he said so himself. are you honestly going to argue that the kings should have paid this guy big bucks to sit around sucking for 6 years until he finally exploded for a good series against seattle? if you say yes, he should have stayed, you probably don't know much about sports or james or the kings. there is no way he could have stayed with the kings and developed into the player he was against us for 5 games.
 
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I love Hedo and think he will have a carrer in the NBA. But something happened to him. He just seemed to lose all confidence for a while. It wasn't just the Kings that passed him on. Popovich/Spurs (who supposedly wanted to draft him in the 1st place) also passed him on. And I do have respect for the Spurs eye for talent. (I would really like to see him do well.)

I really liked Wallace's atheleticism, but he never seemed to me to have the high b'ball IQ that the Kings usually want.
 
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Packt said:
Randy Livingston 2nd Round

Livingston: I don't remember him at all.
That's because the Kings didn't draft him. He was drafted by Houston that year. The guy was a great player in College but he had 2 bad knees. Played mostly in the CBA but he did get some run this year on an NBA roster....not sure which one though but it may have been Utah.

In '96 we took Jason Sasser in the 2nd round.
 
#21
Develop talent or develop a team?

What do you expect R.A. to do with these young players? Take game time and teach them how to play? That is done in the practice facility. That is done by the other veteran player not so much by the coach. A veteran takes a younger player under his wings and tries to mold him. That is why you see guys like Patrick Ewing sitting on the bench trying to coach. They teach the younger players how to play.



The head coach is like the conductor; He brings it all together and tries to make sweet music. When it works, its great. When it doesn't or when players play selfish or outside what the team wants, then there is bad chemistry and the team fails.



The Kings did not have a chance to develop team chemistry. This does not mean they won’t develop into a good or even great team. They can still do that. But that takes willingness from the players to dedicate themselves to the team. To listen to the coach, learn from other players and try and understand what their role is on that team.



The NBA is not about developing players it is about developing a team. If a player is good but does not fit in with the team then how good can he really be for THAT team? That is why you see a player leave one team and then excels at his new team. That does not mean the coach failed or did not do a good job at developing a player. It may be as simple as timing. Do you think Gerald Wallace was a good player? Of course! but Did he fit into the plans for the team? apparently not. So he must go. For the best of the team and, ultimately, for the best of the player.



Think about how good Nash was with the Mavs, now look at how much he grew and flourished with the Suns. A very good player became great because of the team he was working with...and he made the other Suns players better at the same time. Does that mean the coach did that? no. It means that Nash understood the type of team the Suns wanted to be and adjusted his playing style to fit the team’s needs. And it worked. His stats are all up and the Suns were (are) the best team in the NBA this year. Does that mean they will be good again next year, no, there is no guarantee in that each player will continue to think "team", the NBA is full of big ego's and that can destroy a team, just ask the Lakers.



I think everyone will be very happy with the Kings team next year....Let's keep the core together, and bring in whoever we need to develop the team.

 

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Loyal - First, welcome to Kingsfans.com!

Second, I think you've made some EXCELLENT points. I especially like:

The head coach is like the conductor; he brings it all together and tries to make sweet music.
and...

The NBA isn't about developing players; it is about developing a team.
Thanks for the comments. I hope to see more from you in the future!!

GO KINGS!!!!