When is it Petrie's time to go?

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@TrueHoop Kings have failed with variety of coaches and rosters. At what point does Geoff Petrie come under the microscope? (PRECISELY)

First whisper I have heard from the national media. I'm wondering the same thing.
 
He doesn't have much time to fix the sorry excuse for the off season we had.

Westy wanted Salmons. Petrie gave in, and it's been anything but good. Westy wanted Hayes as our lone big man acquisition, and it hasn't worked out yet, and he looks just as over matched inside as a few of us thought he would.

Westy publicly said these were moves he campaigned hard for, and by the looks of it, instead of telling him those moves were not the ones to make, Petrie obliged, and went ahead and pulled the trigger.

It's not just Westy's coaching I had a problem with. He's a huge reason the roster looks how it does, not balanced well, and a big reason our off season was unsuccessful imo. Petrie went along with it. I hated trading for Salmons. I disliked the Hayes signing as our replacement for Daly, and only addition to our frontline. I thought the Outlaw acquisition was a waste of 3M. Nothing I've seen has changed my mind. Westy campaigned for those moves, and Petrie pulled the trigger.

They're in this together, but the difference is Petrie is still employed, the trade deadline hasn't arrived, and he has a chance to fix it. Our "big" 2011 off season was anything but big, and our gm is partly responsible for that at the least.
 
There's a lot more Petrie digs all over the net:

Tom Ziller: They'll keep cycling through coaches until they hire one who isn't abjectly terrible

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1icJvWipL​

Mike Prada: More than anything, the Kings illustrate the "get talent and a random coach and see what sticks" rebuilding philosophy has its problems

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1icKJnzhn​

Eric Pincus: No the Kings weren't playing well but that said - I don't like the make-up of that roster - at all

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1icKT2Ym1​

Tom Ziller: You know, Petrie isn't that different than Westphal. Living off past glory, quick to shift blame for poor performance

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1icKXJIJn​

Eric Koreen: In hindsight, the Kings probably should have hired Thibs or Casey instead of Westphal. WHOOPS

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1icKd2M00​

Tom Ziller: What the hell was the point of Petrie letting Westphal put out that statement on Sunday

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1icKkxIze​

Sam Amick: Per this tired routine, Kings GM Geoff Petrie spent recent days distancing himself from the coach in discussions with Maloofs and others

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1icKvTN5x​

Marc Stein: Kings' FO on sort of empty run that, for all warranted criticism of Cousins so far, they're in no position to question DMC's professionalism

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1icLNf9eZ​

Henry Abbott: Kings have failed with a variety of coaches and rosters. At what point does Geoff Petrie come under the microscope

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1icLZ37HR​
 
These two ring true:

Marc Stein: Kings' FO on sort of empty run that, for all warranted criticism of Cousins so far, they're in no position to question DMC's professionalism

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1icLNf9eZ

Henry Abbott: Kings have failed with a variety of coaches and rosters. At what point does Geoff Petrie come under the microscope
 
If the Bibby/Martin/Miller+Salmon trades were really Jeff doing what he thought was best for the basketball side then he needs to go. If they were cost cutting at all costs to make the team bad for a move then he deserves a little bit of a leash to fix it. The question is how much does he have to work with money wise because if he doesnt have the green light to max the cap then it doesn't matter what GM is brought in they wont be able to acquire the talent.
 
Who cares whether Westy or the Maloofs or Brick's grandma had influence on the personal moves made by Petrie. He is the GM and those choices are ultimately his responsibility.
 
Section 101 said:
If the Bibby/Martin/Miller+Salmon trades were really Jeff doing what he thought was best for the basketball side then he needs to go. If they were cost cutting at all costs to make the team bad for a move then he deserves a little bit of a leash to fix it. The question is how much does he have to work with money wise because if he doesnt have the green light to max the cap then it doesn't matter what GM is brought in they wont be able to acquire the talent.
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Gonna update your sig or just leave it there for old times sakes?
 
Heuge said:
Who cares whether Westy or the Maloofs or Brick's grandma had influence on the personal moves made by Petrie. He is the GM and those choices are ultimately his responsibility.
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If his hands are tied, and the maloofs really do make the final decisions/approvals, then why does Petrie shoulder the "ultimate responsibility?" If your boss wants you to do something, and it doesn't go well, then it's ultimately YOUR responsibility and not your boss's right?????
 
Since we don't know what this current squad can do, how do you judge the off season? Honestly they have had some good efforts for a portion of about 3 of their games. The last couple of games the fellas did not try.

KB
 
ElRey said:
If his hands are tied, and the maloofs really do make the final decisions/approvals, then why does Petrie shoulder the "ultimate responsibility?" If your boss wants you to do something, and it doesn't go well, then it's ultimately YOUR responsibility and not your boss's right?????
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And that's what it comes down to. The fans don't have any say so over Petrie's employment and the Maloofs do. The answer to the question in the thread title is: When the owners decide it is.

Is Petrie pushed by ownership or coaches to make questionable transactions? Possibly. Has he been asked to perform cost cutting moves? Very likely. And has he made trades or signings free of outside influence that he thought would be the best roster move that were failures? Almost certainly.

But from the outside looking in it's pretty much impossible to tell which gaffes are Geoffs and which were foisted upon him. Regardless, the facts remain that (1) this is a basketball team lacking an identity and playing poor basketball and (2) Petrie will continue to run the front office until the Maloofs decide he won't.

That said, as a fan and someone without any authority to change things I'm on the fence about whether I would like to see him let go. I've always been a big Petrie supporter but this team is clearly in disarray. We'll have to see what difference the coaching change makes (beyond what is sure to be a short term upswing) and what moves Geoff makes before the end of the season.
 
I would say that Petrie has to go right about the time that he doesn't draft or steal the entire young core of a rebuilding team in the space of two years. 3 of the top 10 young players to come into the whole league over that time.

Now I have never appreciated Petrie's finesse over power tendencies, the tendency to load up the roster with MLE level veteran mediocrities, his fascination with short bigs. But that said, he is a master at acquiring talent, and he's done it in a very tough financial environment.

The tipper might be who is responsible for the coaching decisions, since the only good one Petrie has ever hired followed him over from Portland. But there has long been the impression the Maloofs meddled in those sorts of calls. Muss was his suggestion only to keep the Maloofs from hiring a WNBA coach. Theus reportedly wasn't his man and dazzled the Maloofs with his toothsome grin. Westphal was one of the few coaches who would go to work for what was basically the league minimum.

Geoff is getting old, he'll probably hang them up here in a few years anyway, but the biggest feat in a rebuild is talent acquisition, and that we've done quite well actually.
 
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I think GP had done quite well with the situation that was given to him. Dallys taking on Houston speak a lot of volume on how players feel about Sacramento.
I doubt there are many GM out there that could do a better job.
 
Petrie should have lost his job a couple of years ago. This team hasn't seen an ounce of improvement in the last five years. Not an ounce. Do we have a few more tradable assets? Sure. But nothing that is going to change the fortune of this team. We're still right where we have always been, hoping to win big at the lottery and get the next Derrick Rose or Blake Griffin.

We have deflected criticism from Petrie, who is the true architect of these teams, onto an array of scapegoats: the Maloofs, Musselman, Theus, and now Westphal. All of the above may have played a role in the teams failures, but Petrie is the man ultimately responsible for assembling every lottery bound Kings roster of the past five years.

At a certain point he needs to be the one held accountable for the team's condition
 
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I think now is the time for Petrie to go. I've supported him for as long as he's been here, but not any more. I'm done. It takes more to be a good GM than draft players who are athletically talented. His drafting of Cousins has been a fiasco. Yes, character does matter, and if you're going to take a chance on Cousins you better take a chance when your team is a cohesive veteran team, not a fragile group of preformed jello that doesn't have a notion of what it takes to win. Tyreke hasn't shown one bit of improvement and he's in Year 3. As Rainmaker has pointed out, where is the player development? Petrie accumulates players with no notion of how they are going to fit together. He did a very mediocre job in the free agency period with the amount of money available. He's been behind a coaching carousel of hilarious proportions over the last several years. And now we have another. I've had enough.

The Maloofs are probably just as culpable in this whole mess as Petrie, but you can't fire them. It would be nice though...
 
I said it before and I'll say it again: Petrie should be here as long as the Maloofs are owners. Once the arena deal gets finalized and the team gets sold to the Ron Burkle/Magic Johnson group, they will probably clean house and bring in fresh blood.

I don't trust the direction the Maloofs would take with a new GM.

I don't think the Maloofs can hire a top-tier candidate, and I do think any number of leading guys would want to work for Burkle/Magic.
 
Bricklayer said:
I would say that Petrie has to go right about the time that he doesn't draft or steal the entire young core of a rebuilding team in the space of two years. 3 of the top 10 young players to come into the whole league over that time.

Now I have never appreciated Petrie's finesse over power tendencies, the tendency to load up the roster with MLE level veteran mediocrities, his fascination with short bigs. But that said, he is a master at acquiring talent, and he's done it in a very tough financial environment.

The tipper might be who is responsible for the coaching decisions, since the only good one Petrie has ever hired followed him over from Portland. But there has long been the impression the Maloofs meddled in those sorts of calls. Muss was his suggestion only to keep the Maloofs from hiring a WNBA coach. Theus reportedly wasn't his man and dazzled the Maloofs with his toothsome grin. Westphal was one of the few coaches who would go to work for what was basically the league minimum.

Geoff is getting old, he'll probably hang them up here in a few years anyway, but the biggest feat in a rebuild is talent acquisition, and that we've done quite well actually.
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Have to agree on all points.

In either event, unless a better GM is available I can not agree with change for change's sake in this case. At a minimum I would give him until the end of 2012-2013 and either a proper season under Smart or a proper season under a non-interim coach who better not be a complete joke. Frankly I'm hoping Smart turns out to be better than expected because I don't see any big time coaches coming here just like we don't see any big time free agents coming here. Right now we are Plan D for most, the backup offer that we use to sweeten the pot on Plans A through C.
 
ElRey said:
If his hands are tied, and the maloofs really do make the final decisions/approvals, then why does Petrie shoulder the "ultimate responsibility?" If your boss wants you to do something, and it doesn't go well, then it's ultimately YOUR responsibility and not your boss's right?????
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Of course Petrie shoulders the responsibility. If he doesn't want to "go along" with the Maloofs, RESIGN. It's as simple as that. Otherwise he's a doormat.
 
ElRey said:
If his hands are tied, and the maloofs really do make the final decisions/approvals, then why does Petrie shoulder the "ultimate responsibility?" If your boss wants you to do something, and it doesn't go well, then it's ultimately YOUR responsibility and not your boss's right?????
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I agree 100%. I doubt Petrie has the green light to do what he really wants to do in terms of trading and hiring personnel. I bet everything he has done he had to call the Brothers Maloof for approval especially for the last three years or so. Why hasn't he resigned since there's no challenge? The NBA only has 30 positions as GM. Jobs are hard to get plus he still makes good money. He probably says f*** it.
 
Petrie is probably the best Sac can do. When things turn around, and they will, a lot of folks will be singing a different tune.
 
I think the Maloofs would pay for a big name coach if one was interested. For example, if Phil Jackson was interested they would pay him a huge 10+ million a year salary. Not likely to happen, but you get the idea.
 
JB_kings said:
I think the Maloofs would pay for a big name coach if one was interested. For example, if Phil Jackson was interested they would pay him a huge 10+ million a year salary. Not likely to happen, but you get the idea.
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I don't think Phil Jackson accepts IOUs
 
Ok all the ppl who are asking for petries head. WHO dO U WANT TO REPLACE HIM WITH??? are we gonna pull a maloof move of not retaining adelman? The only real coach the kings had. Get real ppl. Knee jerk moves
 
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