What would you do?

If you were in charge of the Sacramento Kings, what would you do?

  • Rebuild - Trade away active veteran players for assets and prospects. Win fewer games

  • Reload - Augment current roster. Attempt to improve current record

  • Other


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What would I do? Let's start with focusing on the long term vision for this team that Perry and many envision - length, athleticism, toughness and ball movement. I would also add that being so far away from any type of title contention there should be an emphasis on younger as opposed to older players. It's going to take some time to get from a C grade to an A grade and over-the-hill types are counterproductive to our goal.

So who are the players on this team who are incompatible with the above vision? Start with Lavine. He annoys the hell out of me. Lavine's low BBIQ, non-defense, non rebounding, iso and gritless game is a bur in my side. Here's one for you: What former Kings' guard had about the same average rebounds per game as Lavine at a similar age? Mike Bibby! So here is 6'2" (if that) non-athletic Bibby scraping up about the same rebs as the 6'5" uber-athlete Lavine. That should tell you all you need to know. Begone, Lavine! Begone! Next for the ax is DeRozan: Isolation game, no defense, gritless, paltry rebounder, and old to boot. Annoys the hell out of me dribbling from the 3 point line into the defender to take his 2-point shots and getting savaged on the defensive end of the floor. . Begone!

To facilitate the departure of the of those two, I'd be calling every team in the league to see what, if any, interest they may have. Hopefully, they are of a like mind to Vivek/McNair and they will be overjoyed in obtaining their services. I'd be looking for length, athleticism, toughness, and picks, not necessarily in that order.

Everything follows from the proper assessment of the market for DDR and Lavine. Why is that you may ask? Because the next question is Sabonis. Is it feasible to obtain the lengthy 3-point shooting defensive athlete that Sabonis requires to be playing alongside him? Because if DDR&Lavine can't get you that guy, then Sabonis is going to perpetually play alongside a non-complementary piece. Long term, to use the fashionable word of the day, that is not sustainable. So, Plan A: Trade DDR & Lavine for a complementary stretch 4 next to Sabonis. And if Plan A is not feasible, there is Plan B: Trade Sabonis. What other option is there? Suffer like Sisyphus, perpetually rolling the rock up hill, only to watch it fall to the bottom, again and again and again....?

The above is a starting point for what must be done. It does not include obtaining a point guard, which is necesary, nor anything pertaining to free agency, but you get the drift.
 
Or you could commit to a total tear-down and rebuild, not get any draft pick positioning luck (as we typically don't), draft poorly (as we have with our only two "top 2" picks we've ever had in our 40 years here), and be a perpetual lottery team with no hope of even sniffing the playoffs for a decade (we already did that for what, 16 years already - a decade would be a blessing in that respect). Also, the team would be hemorrhaging money with few fans in the building.

See, I can play that game, too.

Any option you choose has dangers and pitfalls.

We, as fans, can have opinions but that doesn't make them correct no matter how well-intentioned they are. It's all hypothetical and out of our control.

Sure every option has risks but not choosing is just poor strategy. It’s not mitigating risk it is choosing to not be successful. Something Monte clearly just proved.
 
What would I do? Let's start with focusing on the long term vision for this team that Perry and many envision - length, athleticism, toughness and ball movement. I would also add that being so far away from any type of title contention there should be an emphasis on younger as opposed to older players. It's going to take some time to get from a C grade to an A grade and over-the-hill types are counterproductive to our goal.

So who are the players on this team who are incompatible with the above vision? Start with Lavine. He annoys the hell out of me. Lavine's low BBIQ, non-defense, non rebounding, iso and gritless game is a bur in my side. Here's one for you: What former Kings' guard had about the same average rebounds per game as Lavine at a similar age? Mike Bibby! So here is 6'2" (if that) non-athletic Bibby scraping up about the same rebs as the 6'5" uber-athlete Lavine. That should tell you all you need to know. Begone, Lavine! Begone! Next for the ax is DeRozan: Isolation game, no defense, gritless, paltry rebounder, and old to boot. Annoys the hell out of me dribbling from the 3 point line into the defender to take his 2-point shots and getting savaged on the defensive end of the floor. . Begone!

To facilitate the departure of the of those two, I'd be calling every team in the league to see what, if any, interest they may have. Hopefully, they are of a like mind to Vivek/McNair and they will be overjoyed in obtaining their services. I'd be looking for length, athleticism, toughness, and picks, not necessarily in that order.

Everything follows from the proper assessment of the market for DDR and Lavine. Why is that you may ask? Because the next question is Sabonis. Is it feasible to obtain the lengthy 3-point shooting defensive athlete that Sabonis requires to be playing alongside him? Because if DDR&Lavine can't get you that guy, then Sabonis is going to perpetually play alongside a non-complementary piece. Long term, to use the fashionable word of the day, that is not sustainable. So, Plan A: Trade DDR & Lavine for a complementary stretch 4 next to Sabonis. And if Plan A is not feasible, there is Plan B: Trade Sabonis. What other option is there? Suffer like Sisyphus, perpetually rolling the rock up hill, only to watch it fall to the bottom, again and again and again....?

The above is a starting point for what must be done. It does not include obtaining a point guard, which is necesary, nor anything pertaining to free agency, but you get the drift.
Even though LaVine is horrible per the vision you are unlikely to trade him without attaching picks. Why I maintain it was in the top 5 of all time worst trades.
 
Other. Run it back with little change other than perhaps placating DeMar by moving him to a situation better for him and if things look pretty tapped out a few months into the next season start rebuilding with those picks. If the team is in the 4-5 window and are clearly one piece away, start seeing what a youth/picks package can get on the open market. Doing anything other than that right now is more assumption and assumptions have already sent the Beam team off the rails. This time let proof be the guide.
 
Or you could commit to a total tear-down and rebuild, not get any draft pick positioning luck (as we typically don't), draft poorly (as we have with our only two "top 2" picks we've ever had in our 40 years here), and be a perpetual lottery team with no hope of even sniffing the playoffs for a decade (we already did that for what, 16 years already - a decade would be a blessing in that respect). Also, the team would be hemorrhaging money with few fans in the building.

See, I can play that game, too.

Any option you choose has dangers and pitfalls.

We, as fans, can have opinions but that doesn't make them correct no matter how well-intentioned they are. It's all hypothetical and out of our control.

Did they hemorrhage money in the 18-22' seasons? I wouldn't expect fan attendance to be much different now, if they were to go in the direction of priority being developing and improving it's younger assets
 
But...this isn't not choosing. :rolleyes: It's a different approach than what you like, perhaps. It's not a total rebuild but it isn't just rolling it back, either.
It’s walking down the middle of the road instead of making a decision. You and I are just posters but that philosophy was core to my issues with Monte. What you’re proposing is an ideal strategy to remain a play-in team. Exactly what Monte accomplished and then your best players who want to compete for a title leave.
 
Did they hemorrhage money in the 18-22' seasons? I wouldn't expect fan attendance to be much different now, if they were to go in the direction of priority being developing and improving it's younger assets

Your way off on this one. 18-22 we had Fox. Right now there is no single player with that level of potential. Me personally would be done. Season ticket holders around me feel the same. Unless they get in the top 4 or maybe need #1 for Flagg going backwards isnt an option.
 
Your way off on this one. 18-22 we had Fox. Right now there is no single player with that level of potential. Me personally would be done. Season ticket holders around me feel the same. Unless they get in the top 4 or maybe need #1 for Flagg going backwards isnt an option.

So they can never take a season to develop? If they didn't have Fox in those seasons, they would have "hemorrhaged money"?

They're not likely to ever have a chance to become a contender, or even a team that can advance without doing so. You're not getting a top tier player for Lavine, Sabonis, or DeRozan
 
Did they hemorrhage money in the 18-22' seasons? I wouldn't expect fan attendance to be much different now, if they were to go in the direction of priority being developing and improving it's younger assets
Unknown, but I would expect fan attendance to change. The fans hung on for 16 years to make the playoffs again and then we immediately dipped down to the play in and then fired the coach who got us there, got rid of one of our two all-stars, brought in an all-star who by most measures doesn't seem to be as popular, fired the GM, are talking about trading away our last major all-star players, and would likely be living in the 25-30 win range for years in planned obsolescence hoping against the odds to get a top 4 pick. Fans will tolerate a lot when the team is somewhat competitive. If we do that, end up firing one or two more GMs and coaches in the meantime, and are not competitive in the west, fans will NOT be there like they have been.
It’s walking down the middle of the road instead of making a decision.
The world isn't binary. Maybe to you it is, but that's not reality.
 
Also a fair point, I guess I'm just in the camp that's willing to roll the dice.

I see a team built around a core of Domas and Lavine maaaybe peaking at a 2nd round exit. Honestly, even one playoff series win would have me feeling like we won a championship, so I'm not going to tear my hair out if Perry decides to retool and stay "competitive".

A few more seasons of playing for 10th and a play-in exit would have me more tuned out than a rebuild though, but that's just me!
Agreed! Go up or go down, but don't go sideways for time eternity.
 
really? Wasn’t Chicago essentially trying to give him away all last offseason?

Funny thing happened where there was a season of new information between last off-season and this off-season.

Must be a good bet for him then, if it's "free". God knows he won't stand behind any of his other takes.
 
Before Chicago managed to trade Zach, I was convinced they would have to pay someone first round picks to take him from them. I mean, he is paid like a top 15 player but only plays on one side of the court.

Chicago didn’t pay a first-round pick in the end but what did they get? Their own first round pick back and a bunch of players who were underperforming relative to their contracts in exchange for Zach and two second round picks.

And what has Zach shown since joining Sacramento? That he can microwave offence sometimes? What else?
 
Unknown, but I would expect fan attendance to change. The fans hung on for 16 years to make the playoffs again and then we immediately dipped down to the play in and then fired the coach who got us there, got rid of one of our two all-stars, brought in an all-star who by most measures doesn't seem to be as popular, fired the GM, are talking about trading away our last major all-star players, and would likely be living in the 25-30 win range for years in planned obsolescence hoping against the odds to get a top 4 pick. Fans will tolerate a lot when the team is somewhat competitive. If we do that, end up firing one or two more GMs and coaches in the meantime, and are not competitive in the west, fans will NOT be there like they have been.

The world isn't binary. Maybe to you it is, but that's not reality.
Micheal Porter from HBS

“The essence of strategy is choosing what not to do. Without tradeoffs, there would be no need for choice and thus no need for strategy. Any good idea could and would be quickly imitated. Again, performance would once again depend wholly on operational effectiveness.”
 
I'll charity bet whatever you want that if we ever trade LaVine, we won't have to dump him, as you're suggesting.
Okay I take that bet: 100

Hmmm. On second thought not sure this bet makes sense. If I’m right they never trade him and my expected value is 0. If I’m wrong they trade him and my expected value is -100. I’m not seeing the positive expected value scenario.

You are going to have to propose a scenario where I have one to agree to this bet.
 
Funny thing happened where there was a season of new information between last off-season and this off-season.

Must be a good bet for him then, if it's "free". God knows he won't stand behind any of his other takes.

What new information is there? Did Zack change his stripes … like at all? The only difference between now and then (at least until I’m proven otherwise, & by all means do) is he wears a new uni.
 
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Okay I take that bet: 100

Hmmm. On second thought not sure this bet makes sense. If I’m right they never trade him and my expected value is 0. If I’m wrong they trade him and my expected value is -100. I’m not seeing the positive expected value scenario.

You are going to have to propose a scenario where I have one to agree to this bet.

Lmao, of course. Dodges once again, can't stand by his own take.
 
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Micheal Porter from HBS

“The essence of strategy is choosing what not to do. Without tradeoffs, there would be no need for choice and thus no need for strategy. Any good idea could and would be quickly imitated. Again, performance would once again depend wholly on operational effectiveness.”
Excellent.

I'll vote to not require hitting on ever diminishing odds for a high draft lottery pick to keep our franchise out of the gutter, since we can't compete with the lousiest teams in the league to get the best chances at a top 1-2 pick, and then not have to HOPE that our GM (whoever it is a couple GMs down the road from now) can wave their magic wand/sprinkle their magic pixie dust and know which college freshman is actually a franchise savior if we happen to do so.

That's my strategy. That's more "operationally effective" than wishing and hoping on miniscule lottery odds and wishing and hoping that that year actually does have a franchise savior available at our pick.
 
What new information is there? Did Zack change his stripes … like at all? The only difference between now and then (at least until I’m proven otherwise, & by all means do) is he wears a new uni.
Successful return from injury. He missed the second half of '23-'24 with foot surgery, and his shooting numbers in the games he did play were way down. He came back with career-high FG% and 3PT% last year.
 
Unknown, but I would expect fan attendance to change. The fans hung on for 16 years to make the playoffs again and then we immediately dipped down to the play in and then fired the coach who got us there, got rid of one of our two all-stars, brought in an all-star who by most measures doesn't seem to be as popular, fired the GM, are talking about trading away our last major all-star players, and would likely be living in the 25-30 win range for years in planned obsolescence hoping against the odds to get a top 4 pick. Fans will tolerate a lot when the team is somewhat competitive. If we do that, end up firing one or two more GMs and coaches in the meantime, and are not competitive in the west, fans will NOT be there like they have been.

The world isn't binary. Maybe to you it is, but that's not reality.

Did a single 48 win season and a first round exit really change everyone's perspective about the Kings? I doubt it.

One of the interesting things about a committed rebuild and development with a new coach, is that you don't have to feel pressured to fire him, if you don't make the playoffs.

As it stands now, with the same approach, questions about Christie "being a solution" will continue to pressure the organization when they miss the playoffs again this next season.
 
Successful return from injury. He missed the second half of '23-'24 with foot surgery, and his shooting numbers in the games he did play were way down. He came back with career-high FG% and 3PT% last year.

Not really sure why this needed to be spelled out, but yes. I don't think he's a premium asset, by any means, but he's certainly not the toxic asset he was a year ago. Now, just a good player that's overpaid. That becomes more and more bearable for a team to potentially take on.
 
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