What Will Happen with Bonzi Wells

[Warhawk]

I would love it if this happend, if this happned we could get something for nothing. Its a win win for the kings. I dont see the rockets passing us up since they first have to have a healthy team.

Maybe they will take the injury crown we seemed to have held for so long....

With TMac on the team it's always a possibility, unfortunately for him.

 

[Merdiesel]

Just out of curiosity, is there no way Bonzi will stay in Sacramento... is it completely impossible. I know about the whole "Petrie might be done with the whole thing" but could someone explain to me the whole $$$ deal here in sac, is there no way we could sign him for one more year?

thanks for the help!

 

[VF21]

We are very close to the luxury tax threshold. The money we could have used on Bonzi has been spent elsewhere, primarily on John Salmons. If the Kings did bring Bonzi back, it would most likely put the Maloofs in the position of having to pay him salary and match dollar for dollar in luxury tax hit. That is most likely NOT going to happen.

In addition, the team has made their decision and moved on. In a business like this one, you don't keep revisiting issues once you've had to make a decision. For whatever reasons, the Kings put their best offer out there and Bonzi didn't accept it. They then both went their separate ways.

It could all change, but the chances are pretty slim at this point. It might be something we regret down the road or it may be something we're very happy happened. Either way it's now part of Kings lore.

 

[Merdiesel]

Awesome VF21, thanks for the info.

 

[Londonking]

Bonzi and / or his ex-agent blew it as far as his future with the Kings is concerned. Time to move on up the road.

 

[kennadog]

It may hurt us to lose Bonzi the long run, but I'm not so sure that overpaying him would benefit us in the long term. At least, due to circumstances around the league, we do know that anything over our offer of $46-$48 million for 5 years would have been overpaying him.

 

[Jerryaki]

we offered 48 over 5 years?? really?! i thought that the press kept referencing $36M/5 yrs. $48 over 5 years is huge for a guy his age.

 

[Padrino]

we offered 48 over 5 years?? really?! i thought that the press kept referencing $36M/5 yrs. $48 over 5 years is huge for a guy his age.

no, you're right. that's definitely inaccurate. he would have jumped at that kind of money. i imagine that's the ballpark salary he was lookin' to squeeze outta the kings front office, but they never budged from the reported $36 million/5 years.

 

[Rowdyone]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we hold his "Bird" rights? And, if so, we're going to allow him to sign with Houston for their leftover $2+ in mid-level exception money and renounce his rights because he wouldn't accept our initial qualifying offer of 5 yr/$36 million and we don't want to pay him $2 million and be $2million over the cap? We're just going to let him walk for nothing in return when we're a lousy $2million over the cap? Man, I hope we get at least something in return. I'm really getting tired of watching us lose talent leave to other teams and us not get anything in return.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i think bonzi would want us to sign and trade him so houston would have his bird rights. it would be foolish for bonzi to sign with houston w/o that. i'm sure he wants more than the mid level exception the following year when his 1 year contract expires.

 

[VF21]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we hold his "Bird" rights? And, if so, we're going to allow him to sign with Houston for their leftover $2+ in mid-level exception money and renounce his rights because he wouldn't accept our initial qualifying offer of 5 yr/$36 million and we don't want to pay him $2 million and be $2million over the cap? We're just going to let him walk for nothing in return when we're a lousy $2million over the cap? Man, I hope we get at least something in return. I'm really getting tired of watching us lose talent leave to other teams and us not get anything in return.

Once again, as Bricklayer has pointed out before, I'm amused by how easily someone dismisses a "lousy $2 million"...

 

[whozit]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we hold his "Bird" rights? And, if so, we're going to allow him to sign with Houston for their leftover $2+ in mid-level exception money and renounce his rights because he wouldn't accept our initial qualifying offer of 5 yr/$36 million and we don't want to pay him $2 million and be $2million over the cap? We're just going to let him walk for nothing in return when we're a lousy $2million over the cap? Man, I hope we get at least something in return. I'm really getting tired of watching us lose talent leave to other teams and us not get anything in return.

One, I doubt he would take two million from the Kings simply on a matter of principle. Even if he did, what Bonzi would you get? The one the team had last year or a disgruntled one?

Secondly, it isn't simply the dollar for dollar that is matched over the tax level. If over the tax limit, the team also does not get a share of the tax money that gets distributed among all teams under the tax limit. Double wammy.

 

[Entity]

Hmmm trade exception and a first round pick would be great. Especially when it comes time for us to upgrade. TE + expiring contract & or KT, Jason Hart + 2 1st round draft picks could bring some talent.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we hold his "Bird" rights? And, if so, we're going to allow him to sign with Houston for their leftover $2+ in mid-level exception money and renounce his rights because he wouldn't accept our initial qualifying offer of 5 yr/$36 million and we don't want to pay him $2 million and be $2million over the cap? We're just going to let him walk for nothing in return when we're a lousy $2million over the cap? Man, I hope we get at least something in return. I'm really getting tired of watching us lose talent leave to other teams and us not get anything in return.

Bonzi isn't going to be alive to play for another team if Artest keeps his promise...

 

[Warhawk]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we hold his "Bird" rights? And, if so, we're going to allow him to sign with Houston for their leftover $2+ in mid-level exception money and renounce his rights because he wouldn't accept our initial qualifying offer of 5 yr/$36 million and we don't want to pay him $2 million and be $2million over the cap? We're just going to let him walk for nothing in return when we're a lousy $2million over the cap? Man, I hope we get at least something in return. I'm really getting tired of watching us lose talent leave to other teams and us not get anything in return.

Exactly what do you want to do about it? Send Guido over with a baseball bat and force him to sign a contract?!?! That time is past.

It was HIS CHOICE not to accept our pretty generous offer (which I think Grant said was actually 5 years and $38 million). He chose. Get over it.

 

[Bricklayer]

Exactly what do you want to do about it? Send Guido over with a baseball bat and force him to sign a contract?!?! That time is past.

It was HIS CHOICE not to accept our pretty generous offer (which I think Grant said was actually 5 years and $38 million). He chose. Get over it.

Think his point is that if we had the right to match, and the dollar figure was only $2 million, why not just do it rather than let the Rockets nab him. Which I suppose is true unless we have rescinded the qualifying offer or some such. Not sure Bonzi would be terribly pleased at that turn of events though, and an unhappy Bonzi is normally not something you want in your lockerroom. Might be a threat we could hold over the Rockets to make them give us a first though.

 

[kingsfan101]

Just out of curiosity, is there no way Bonzi will stay in Sacramento... is it completely impossible. I know about the whole "Petrie might be done with the whole thing" but could someone explain to me the whole $$$ deal here in sac, is there no way we could sign him for one more year?

thanks for the help!

I don't think Bonzi would want to sign with Kings for one year even if we paid him handsomely and went over the LT. He would like to go to a place where he would get a lot of playing time, and be the man at the 2 spot, so as to earn a big contract next year. With us, he shall always compete with Kevin. Some other places (Houston, Nuggets) might give him that opportunity.

If we are able to pull of a S&T without taking on additional salary (preferably to an East coast team), that shall be great.

 

[Warhawk]

Think his point is that if we had the right to match, and the dollar figure was only $2 million, why not just do it rather than let the Rockets nab him. Which I suppose is true unless we have rescinded the qualifying offer or some such. Not sure Bonzi would be terribly pleased at that turn of events though, and an unhappy Bonzi is normally not something you want in your lockerroom. Might be a threat we could hold over the Rockets to make them give us a first though.

Sorry - missed that.

I do think our offer was yanked before we got Salmons, IIRC. Could be wrong on that, though.

Ah, yes:


The renewed interest comes after Wells and agent William Phillips failed to take a reported five-year deal extended by the Kings that would have paid him about $8 million annually. The offer was the largest made to Wells and eventually was pulled off the table by the Kings.
Then Sacramento signed free-agent swingman John Salmons, bringing the Kings just below the luxury-tax level of $65.42 million.

http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/14316578p-15231524c.html

 

[Bricklayer]

Sorry - missed that.

I do think our offer was yanked before we got Salmons, IIRC. Could be wrong on that, though.

Ah, yes:


The renewed interest comes after Wells and agent William Phillips failed to take a reported five-year deal extended by the Kings that would have paid him about $8 million annually. The offer was the largest made to Wells and eventually was pulled off the table by the Kings.
Then Sacramento signed free-agent swingman John Salmons, bringing the Kings just below the luxury-tax level of $65.42 million.

http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/14316578p-15231524c.html

Yeah, I know we pulled the $36 mil offer or whatever, but what I was aiming for was that in order to lay claim to the rights on a restricted free agent you have to make a qualifying offer, which I believe is a one season offer at 125% of a player's previous value. Which in Bonzi's case would actually be $10mil.

That's nto the same thing as the negotiated final offer you make, it just secures your rights vis a vis that restricted free agent.

In any case, I think I abruptly discovered the flaw in that line of reasoning -- so far as I know Bonzi is NOT a restricted free agent. We have Bird rights and so can go over the cap to retain him, but we have no right to match offers, never did. So if he wants to sign with the Lakers for the veteran's minimum, there is nothing we can do to stop it. I knew that too -- funny how you can get stuck discussing the minutiae sometimes and lose sight of the big picture.

 

[kennadog]

It may hurt us to lose Bonzi the long run, but I'm not so sure that overpaying him would benefit us in the long term. At least, due to circumstances around the league, we do know that anything over our offer of $46-$48 million for 5 years would have been overpaying him.

EDIT: Excuse me. I was obviously hallucinating, having a senior moment or distracted by actual work. I meant to type $36 to $38 mil (the last being Grant Napear's figure.)