AleksandarN
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So what do you think Kevin offensive out put will be this year?
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What will be Kevin's average(ppg) be at the end of the season?
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GoGoGadget
All-Star
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that it will be somewhere under 100 ppg.
I know, I know. I love the thrill of a risky bet.
I know, I know. I love the thrill of a risky bet.
nbrans
All-Star
You are SO going to regret that prediction when he scores 125 points in five straight games.
SacKings384
Starter
I'll say about 17-19 ppg on 50% shooting.
AleksandarN
Starter
Hey atleast i did not make a poll on how many games he will miss due to injury.
<crosses fingers>
Jechtsphere
Starter
i say 21-23, I don't see it much lower or higher than that.
Fear the Putin
Starter
no such thing as superstition
coming from a devout catholic here
hehe... i think it wil be around 19-21 on 50% or just under shooting...
i think bibby will eventually get more of the offensive load once he gets better...
our offense is getting better game by game
why?
bibby has finally started to find his stroke
i see no reason why kevin wouldnt average 21-23 pts throughtout the season because while I was watching the game last night...he makes it seem easy.
He doesnt demand the ball and rarely goes one on one...
I just wish Muss would give more opportunities to Kevin. More of those drive, stop, turnaround....J
Kevin gets about 6-8 points off of fastbreaks and layups every game. Then he gets another 6-8 points off of free throws.
Thats 12-16 pts off of easy points. Then we have the ocassional threes and jumpers.
Kevin isnt streaky. He might have an ugly shot (although I like it a lot), but he knows how to shoot and can be considered a sharp shooter.
He gets respectable minutes (38) and like I said 21-23 is not out of reach for the season.
DavisAggie
G-League
For the record, I thought it was a fun poll. Kevin is doing really well and we, as fans, can have fun with it.
Quincy8Douby
G-League
I'll say around 23-24...
hey, you want to tempt the fates, feel free. I've been around long enough to know that no "fun poll" goes unpunished.
AleksandarN
Starter
Come on VF you have yet to vote on my excellent poll. If you don't I might have to make another poll but instead of ppg it would be how many games Kevin will play.
P.S. I just noticed my 2000 post. I finally made it. I was close last tme before the reset.
P.S. I just noticed my 2000 post. I finally made it. I was close last tme before the reset.
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hey, you want to tempt the fates, feel free. I've been around long enough to know that no "fun poll" goes unpunished.
Well the good news then is, Garcia would get some run and he'll ALSO break out just like K-Mart did last year.
HighFlyingMonkey
Starter
Nah, Kevin's special 
Though I would certainly love for Garcia to blossom the same way.
I voted 25+ because he is so efficient in his scoring. He doesn't strain the offense with many ill-advised shots, nor does he dribble all offensive rhythem out of the team.
Though I would certainly love for Garcia to blossom the same way.
I voted 25+ because he is so efficient in his scoring. He doesn't strain the offense with many ill-advised shots, nor does he dribble all offensive rhythem out of the team.
RaY Z
Starter
we'll see... bibby's not 100% yet and it was only one game where bibby was finding his stroke against the raptors but id like to see how kevin goes with scoring with a more healthy bibby on the floor in a number of games not just one...
i think as time goes by kevin will be more of a main target while being guarded, but i dunno if that will affect him in a bad way or not... mabye he might even get more motivated or it may slow him down...
21-23, 23-25 or 25 or more is realistic for kevin to produce throughout a season, but for now the highest id would guess for this season is 21-23, but i picked 19-21 as my realistic choice...
as each season passes kevin will only get better and i believe he will average 24-30 points a game either next yr or the following yrs after
but muss will give kevin more opportunities, when the time goes by and kevin confidence (although it is already at a fairly high level) will be way way way up there...
and applying that to his game... the skys the limit...
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DavisAggie
G-League
hey, you want to tempt the fates, feel free. I've been around long enough to know that no "fun poll" goes unpunished.
I hope you're wrong, but history tells me 9.9 out of 10 times you're right
I just think 16th in the league in scoring is pretty cool for Kevin and the Kings.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Actually a lot of this is right. Its why I went 19-21 above.
Kevin's high shooting percentage is basically tied to him taking a huge percentage of his shots when either wide open or on gimmes on the break. He has a couple of professional looking moves he can use on people, but he doesn't shoot them at 50%+. But he has been simply amazing at converting the easy ones. Not just converting the easy ones, but putting himself in positon to get all the easy ones. Always leaking out on the break, moves well to find the open spot, and then his hit percentage when wide open is truly remarkable.
So what does that tell me?
a) unless Kevin gets full of himself and starts gunning, his percentages are likely to remian quite high because he rarely takes a bad shot
b) however, he is NOT a guy you can just feed to get more points out of him at 55%. He is already basically scooping up every 55% point there is for himself by scoring on the break, sliding to open spots on the floor for 3s and whatnot. In order to get him more 55% shots you would have to actually create more wide open opportunities out of thin air, and he is already considerably maxing those out.
c) so if we just throw it to him more, his ppg could well go up, but his %s would drop, and its uncelar how many more ppg we are talking about before it becomes counterproductive
d) much of what Kevin currently brings could still theoretically be taken away by an attentive defender who never left him -- saw some of that in the first half vs. Detroit with Rip shadowing him. Kevin is not so much beating a man in front of him most of the time (except when he is really flowing) ala a kobe or whoever as he is losing that man and taking advantage whenever that player loses concentration, turns his head, goes to help etc. But it would have to be a dedicated effort compeltely ignoring help defense on other players, doubling etc. in order to slow him up. Somebody pretty quick who is determined to stay with Kevin wherever he goes on the floor for a full 24 seconds. If that occurred, I still think Kevin gets loose here and there, still gets some on the break, and I suspect begins to go at his defender a bit with one on one moves. In that scenario, I am thinking maybe 18ppg on 45% or some such. But I am also thinking that in that scenario he helps our other players get better shots by completely taking his man out of the equation defensively. And I am also thinking that not every team has the personnel or defensive focus to do that.
So in the end, my bet is that teams make an adjustment, start treating Kevin as an offensive weapon as dangerous as Mike or Ron, and maybe even start putting one of their 2 best defenders on him rather than one our other guys. End result = Kevin's percentages fall a bit, and so does his average...UNLESS, again, he starts gunning and using the one on one moves he has, which might keep the averages the same but with lower percentages still. In either case, the bad teams won't have that man or system to consistently check him, and he will have very efficent nights aginst thoise teams, he's going to still have hot streaks where he scores 12 in a quarter, and generally at this point I think 20ppg is entirely realistic.
Entity
Hall of Famer
Its funny this same question was asked in the offseason and most everybody was on board with 14pts with 17 being the hight with a breakout season. The scary part is ( for opposing teams anyway ) is he isn't as good as he is going to get yet. If he can hit the 3 more consistantly and as the rest of the team trust him a little more it will go up. I would like to see him average 16-20 attempts.
Entity
Hall of Famer
I won't quote because of length. But Brick you are right about him drawing the top defender. That may be a good thing though because guess who benefits. seasoned veterans like Ron Artest and Mike Bibby. So it becomes a pick your poison type deal. Either way this is going to be fun.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Its going to be dangerous when teams are going to have to start doubling Martin and paying attention to him on defence.. 3 Back court players that pretty much need to be stayed with at all times...
I noticed in the raps game he was setting people up alot nicer then usual,
Kings are under the radar this year. Martin has been our best player.
21-23 for the year though, next year i can see him breaking the 25 a game mark.
I noticed in the raps game he was setting people up alot nicer then usual,
Kings are under the radar this year. Martin has been our best player.
21-23 for the year though, next year i can see him breaking the 25 a game mark.
Fear the Putin
Starter
lets just wish they double on kevin
guess whose open?
bibby...
artest...
but, in reality i highly doubt they'll double on kevin because he isnt a threat to really burn guys ala tmac, kobe, etc.
Be sure you spread that around, okay?
I don't know how many times you've seen him, but he can burn guys - primarily because he has a first step that's faster than lightning. But as long as the other teams don't figure it out, we're good to go...
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Have to pay attention? Absolutely.
But doubling seems unlikely at this stage. Just not very useful. Kind of like doubling Peja -- Kevin is only dangerous for a few seconds each possession just when he pops free to shoot. You normally double players who are going to control the ball or consistently take even a good defender 1 on 1. Doubling an off the ball guy would be largely a waste. Wouldn't even have been possible a few years ago.
Teams absolutely have to start treating him like a significant weapon or he's shown he'll convert everytime they leave him. But until/unless we start throwing the ball to him in the Kevin Martin offense, and it actually works, double teams seem unlikely. I actually think Kevin might be more dangerous WITHOUT the ball than he is with it. Harder to guard.
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