Make a starting lineup with Evans and Cousins as your main guys using any past or present NBA players that qualify as roleplayers. You also get to choose a 6th man talent level player that you can either insert in the starting lineup or bring him off the bench. If you think its necessary add a few bench roleplayers or complete the whole team. Then choose a style of play you would like to see them play. Have fun.
What roleplayers do you surround Evans and Cousins with?
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jcwkings
All-Star
pg: Prime Derick Fisher
sg: Tyreke Evans
sf: Bruce Bowen
pf: Prime Rashard Lewis or Robert Horry
C: Cousins
Thats essentially what we need if we want to build around these 2. A pg that plays good d, spots up and can initiate offense when needed. SF that plays great defense and can hit the open 3, Stretch 4 that will give Cousins space to work inside. JT works for now because Cousins isn't reliable in the post yet, once he hones his low post game, a stretch 4 will be needed.
sg: Tyreke Evans
sf: Bruce Bowen
pf: Prime Rashard Lewis or Robert Horry
C: Cousins
Thats essentially what we need if we want to build around these 2. A pg that plays good d, spots up and can initiate offense when needed. SF that plays great defense and can hit the open 3, Stretch 4 that will give Cousins space to work inside. JT works for now because Cousins isn't reliable in the post yet, once he hones his low post game, a stretch 4 will be needed.
The Hammer
All-Star
1. Dennis Johnson
2. Tyreke
3. James Worthy
4. Dennis Rodman
5. Cuz
That team can run, but can play clamp down defense in the half court to win in the playoffs.
If we're going with role players, might as well go with HOF role players!!
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KingsCitizen
Starter
PG - Confident Jimmer
SG - Reke
SF - Gerald Wallace
PF - Anthony Davis
C - Cousins
SG - Reke
SF - Gerald Wallace
PF - Anthony Davis
C - Cousins
twslam07
All-Star
I'll stick with players in the league:
PG - Hinrich
SG - Evans
SF - Batum
PF - Ibaka
C - Cousins
Or if we are considering college players:
PG - Evans
SG - J Lamb
SF - Batum
PF - A Davis
C - Cousins
I've imagined this team as well. All their perimeter players are not the best 3 point shooters but they are all good passers that I'm sure we would get A LOT of easy looks. And the defense would be lock down.
PG - Evans
SG - Iguodala
SF - Kirilenko
PF - Ibaka
C - Cousins
PG - Hinrich
SG - Evans
SF - Batum
PF - Ibaka
C - Cousins
Or if we are considering college players:
PG - Evans
SG - J Lamb
SF - Batum
PF - A Davis
C - Cousins
I've imagined this team as well. All their perimeter players are not the best 3 point shooters but they are all good passers that I'm sure we would get A LOT of easy looks. And the defense would be lock down.
PG - Evans
SG - Iguodala
SF - Kirilenko
PF - Ibaka
C - Cousins
You might need one more all-star or near all-star type to go with Cousins and Evans.
PG: Antonio Daniels/Doug Christie or Marc Jackson / Scott Skiles
SG: Tyreke
SF: Pre-Kardashian Lamar Odom / Wallace
PF: Horry / Camby / Raef LaFrentz
C: Cousins
The problem is that until Reke gets a jumpshot, he needs a different PG than what Cousins needs.
PG: Antonio Daniels/Doug Christie or Marc Jackson / Scott Skiles
SG: Tyreke
SF: Pre-Kardashian Lamar Odom / Wallace
PF: Horry / Camby / Raef LaFrentz
C: Cousins
The problem is that until Reke gets a jumpshot, he needs a different PG than what Cousins needs.
twslam07
All-Star
Out of all the good shooting point guards in the league, you couldn't pick one that is a good defender?
Also I don't think Wallace's outside shooting will compliment Evans very well.
KingsCitizen
Starter
I could put Magic Johnson here but I'd like to suggest a roster that is highly possible to assemble next season. Wallace is already one of the toughest SF in the league, in this roster I don't need his outside shot, I would only need him, Tyreke, and Cuz to bully people down low and grab all those rebounds. I just can't get over the Artest-Bonzi tag team and I just want to see it one more time on a kings roster. Jimmer will take care of outside shooting.
We're of course talking fantasy here, where in my world Jimmer is such a great outside shooter stretching way beyond the NBA 3pt line.
William Blake
Bench
Sticking to the present it would be something like:
Tyreke
Harden (more borderline allstar than roleplayer given the minutes)
AK
Noah
Cousins
Tyreke
Harden (more borderline allstar than roleplayer given the minutes)
AK
Noah
Cousins
You're going to play Manu out of position? lol
I don't know about specific current players, but here is the skill set I would like to see at each position, keeping in mind that Reke and Cousins have offense covered and cannot protect the rim or shoot threes. Also, I tried to make this realistic.
PG- confident, non-ball dominant point guard who doesn't need a lot of shots, can run an offense, and can hit open threes; would also help to not be a complete sieve on defense
Current NBA players who might fit that bill- Hinrich, Calderon, Augustin, Kidd, Billups, Beno (ironic), Fisher (but more so in his prime), Chalmers
Current roster- Isaiah could fit that role if he became a little less ball dominant. That might come as he gets more confident (i.e. doesn't feel like he needs to earn his touches). Jimmer could fill that role, but he needs a lot more confidence than what he has right now.
SG- Evans. Let him have this position, not some hybrid PG/SG/SF
SF- ultimate role player; must play gritty defense, must hit open threes, especially in the corner, and must not try to do anything else than this; good passer (i.e. smart guys who knows when to swing the ball) is preferred. Also preferable that they have some length.
Current NBA players- Batum, Battier, Kirilenko, Ariza
Current roster- lord knows we have a glut of guys who could fill this role if they were told too. Cisco seems to be adapting to this role well. I would be willing to try him out in this role further. Same with Donte- if you can convince him to just come in and shoot open shots and play defense I think he would be better. Sometimes less is more. I actually think we currently have the role player to play this role on our roster. We just need Smart to better identify it and define the role.
PF- shot blocker and defender who is averse to shooting or running the offense through him
Current NBA players- Ibaka, Chandler, McGee, Jordan, Dalambert (again ironic)
Current roster- we don't have anyone to fill this role unless Whiteside suddenly gets it together
C- DeMarcus
6th man- Instant offense; a gunner who can have flaws in his game otherwise, but knows how to score and make big shots in crunch time. Also must be willing to accept this role.
Current NBA- Harden, Crawford, Terry
Current Roster- THORNTON- tailor made position for him. He can still play 30 minutes per game, be the first option with the bench unit, and play crunch time
7th Man- gritty 4/5; doesn't need plays called for him to score (i.e. scores on junk plays, pick and rolls, offense boards); plays good defense, rebounds; can play 18-24 minutes a night. Think Scot Pollard.
Current roster- ideal role for JT. He is big enough to play 4/5
8th man- change of pace point guard; instant spark, hustle, best utilized to play 12-18 minutes per game; big enough to be a combo guard. Think Bobby Jackson.
Current roster- perfect role for IT. Maybe not the ideal size for this role, but he plays bigger than he is.
9th man- versatile 3/4; can score, defend, play multiple positions; tough guy
current roster- Cisco or Greene both fit the bill
10-13
4th big man- an extra big body; situational player (foul trouble, injuries, matchups) content to play 20 minutes one game and not play the next three; veteran presence
Current roster- decent role for Chuck, though I could be sold on a bigger guy, but who also brings Chuck's intangibles
Instant offense/shooter- an extra shooter to stretch a defense, provide a spark, get hot, start a big run; defense not required
Current roster- perfect role for Jimmer
Athletic swingman- willing to ride the bench, compete in practice, play defense, support the team (i.e. cheer)
Current roster- great role for Honeycutt
5th Big- either an elder statesman big man (i.e. end of his career) who doesn't mind not playing but is a great locker room presence, or a complete project youngster
current roster- Whiteside would fit the fill
So my ideal (and realistic) roster would be
PG: low usage floor general not currently on roster
SG: Reke
SF: Cisco/Greene
PF: shot blocking defender
C: Cousins
6th: Thornton
1st Big- Thompson
Bench PG- IT
versatile swingman- Greene/Cisco
4th Big- Chuck
shooter- Jimmer
athlete- Honeycut
Project- Whiteside
By the way, I look at this, and I look at how we played the last 6 weeks of last season, and I can't help but wonder where we would be with Daly and Beno still on this team. They were good role players. Should have kept them, let the team grow together, define roles, and see what happened. Could have upgraded Beno at a later date and replaced Daly as he got older. Sigh...
PG- confident, non-ball dominant point guard who doesn't need a lot of shots, can run an offense, and can hit open threes; would also help to not be a complete sieve on defense
Current NBA players who might fit that bill- Hinrich, Calderon, Augustin, Kidd, Billups, Beno (ironic), Fisher (but more so in his prime), Chalmers
Current roster- Isaiah could fit that role if he became a little less ball dominant. That might come as he gets more confident (i.e. doesn't feel like he needs to earn his touches). Jimmer could fill that role, but he needs a lot more confidence than what he has right now.
SG- Evans. Let him have this position, not some hybrid PG/SG/SF
SF- ultimate role player; must play gritty defense, must hit open threes, especially in the corner, and must not try to do anything else than this; good passer (i.e. smart guys who knows when to swing the ball) is preferred. Also preferable that they have some length.
Current NBA players- Batum, Battier, Kirilenko, Ariza
Current roster- lord knows we have a glut of guys who could fill this role if they were told too. Cisco seems to be adapting to this role well. I would be willing to try him out in this role further. Same with Donte- if you can convince him to just come in and shoot open shots and play defense I think he would be better. Sometimes less is more. I actually think we currently have the role player to play this role on our roster. We just need Smart to better identify it and define the role.
PF- shot blocker and defender who is averse to shooting or running the offense through him
Current NBA players- Ibaka, Chandler, McGee, Jordan, Dalambert (again ironic)
Current roster- we don't have anyone to fill this role unless Whiteside suddenly gets it together
C- DeMarcus
6th man- Instant offense; a gunner who can have flaws in his game otherwise, but knows how to score and make big shots in crunch time. Also must be willing to accept this role.
Current NBA- Harden, Crawford, Terry
Current Roster- THORNTON- tailor made position for him. He can still play 30 minutes per game, be the first option with the bench unit, and play crunch time
7th Man- gritty 4/5; doesn't need plays called for him to score (i.e. scores on junk plays, pick and rolls, offense boards); plays good defense, rebounds; can play 18-24 minutes a night. Think Scot Pollard.
Current roster- ideal role for JT. He is big enough to play 4/5
8th man- change of pace point guard; instant spark, hustle, best utilized to play 12-18 minutes per game; big enough to be a combo guard. Think Bobby Jackson.
Current roster- perfect role for IT. Maybe not the ideal size for this role, but he plays bigger than he is.
9th man- versatile 3/4; can score, defend, play multiple positions; tough guy
current roster- Cisco or Greene both fit the bill
10-13
4th big man- an extra big body; situational player (foul trouble, injuries, matchups) content to play 20 minutes one game and not play the next three; veteran presence
Current roster- decent role for Chuck, though I could be sold on a bigger guy, but who also brings Chuck's intangibles
Instant offense/shooter- an extra shooter to stretch a defense, provide a spark, get hot, start a big run; defense not required
Current roster- perfect role for Jimmer
Athletic swingman- willing to ride the bench, compete in practice, play defense, support the team (i.e. cheer)
Current roster- great role for Honeycutt
5th Big- either an elder statesman big man (i.e. end of his career) who doesn't mind not playing but is a great locker room presence, or a complete project youngster
current roster- Whiteside would fit the fill
So my ideal (and realistic) roster would be
PG: low usage floor general not currently on roster
SG: Reke
SF: Cisco/Greene
PF: shot blocking defender
C: Cousins
6th: Thornton
1st Big- Thompson
Bench PG- IT
versatile swingman- Greene/Cisco
4th Big- Chuck
shooter- Jimmer
athlete- Honeycut
Project- Whiteside
By the way, I look at this, and I look at how we played the last 6 weeks of last season, and I can't help but wonder where we would be with Daly and Beno still on this team. They were good role players. Should have kept them, let the team grow together, define roles, and see what happened. Could have upgraded Beno at a later date and replaced Daly as he got older. Sigh...
Padrino
All-Star
i'm rarely interested in the fantastical, so instead i'm gonna stick with active nba players to illustrate how a balanced roster maximizes a team's talent, and i'm only gonna make a few* reasonable adjustments to the kings' current areas of need:
PG Jose Calderon*
SG Tyreke Evans
SF Nicolas Batum*
PF Samuel Dalembert*
C Demarcus Cousins
calderon is a veteran, pass-first PG who knows how to lead and who shoots solidly from outside (37% from 3 this season). evans is a scoring guard who will attack the rim and play above average defense. batum is a lockdown wing defender who also shoots well from outside (41% from 3 this season), but doesn't require a lot of touches. dalembert is a veteran post defender and shot intimidator who's already had success as a king while sharing a frontcourt with demarcus cousins. and cousins is, of course, the do-all franchise center and future superstar in this scenario...
i've obviously had to trade away some pieces in order to acquire the above, so maybe isaiah thomas remains as a sparkplug of a sixth man. chuck hayes is probably still back there to play stalwart, scrappy, veteran hustle ball off the bench. if i'm real lucky, i've managed to hang onto jason thompson, which will bolster my rebounding in the second unit. and if i'm real unlucky, i've been forced to hang onto john salmons, but at least he has utility off the bench. that bench may be thin, and it may rely on players like tyler honeycutt to mature rather quickly, but if this roster, as a whole, were to develop any amount of chemistry, the playoffs would be a foregone conclusion...
such a lineup covers damn near all of the bases. you've got young talent, you've got veteran talent, you've got leadership, you've got interior scoring, you've got outside shooting, you've got passing, you've got wing defense, you've got post defense, and you've got rebounding. calderon is the defensive weakness amongst those starters, but batum and dalembert can cover for some of that weakness. and if batum isn't available, you try for gerald wallace. you lose some outside shooting, but you gain some rebounding and another veteran presence. either way, in my opinion, THIS is how you balance a starting unit. these are complementary talents on paper. now, ask me how easy it is to get it done? well, it isn't easy at all. but, at a certain point, you have to stop pursuing redundancies as a front office long enough to at least attempt to construct a balanced roster...
note: the above also assumes that the kings have a head coach who will start a more traditional unit...
PG Jose Calderon*
SG Tyreke Evans
SF Nicolas Batum*
PF Samuel Dalembert*
C Demarcus Cousins
calderon is a veteran, pass-first PG who knows how to lead and who shoots solidly from outside (37% from 3 this season). evans is a scoring guard who will attack the rim and play above average defense. batum is a lockdown wing defender who also shoots well from outside (41% from 3 this season), but doesn't require a lot of touches. dalembert is a veteran post defender and shot intimidator who's already had success as a king while sharing a frontcourt with demarcus cousins. and cousins is, of course, the do-all franchise center and future superstar in this scenario...
i've obviously had to trade away some pieces in order to acquire the above, so maybe isaiah thomas remains as a sparkplug of a sixth man. chuck hayes is probably still back there to play stalwart, scrappy, veteran hustle ball off the bench. if i'm real lucky, i've managed to hang onto jason thompson, which will bolster my rebounding in the second unit. and if i'm real unlucky, i've been forced to hang onto john salmons, but at least he has utility off the bench. that bench may be thin, and it may rely on players like tyler honeycutt to mature rather quickly, but if this roster, as a whole, were to develop any amount of chemistry, the playoffs would be a foregone conclusion...
such a lineup covers damn near all of the bases. you've got young talent, you've got veteran talent, you've got leadership, you've got interior scoring, you've got outside shooting, you've got passing, you've got wing defense, you've got post defense, and you've got rebounding. calderon is the defensive weakness amongst those starters, but batum and dalembert can cover for some of that weakness. and if batum isn't available, you try for gerald wallace. you lose some outside shooting, but you gain some rebounding and another veteran presence. either way, in my opinion, THIS is how you balance a starting unit. these are complementary talents on paper. now, ask me how easy it is to get it done? well, it isn't easy at all. but, at a certain point, you have to stop pursuing redundancies as a front office long enough to at least attempt to construct a balanced roster...
note: the above also assumes that the kings have a head coach who will start a more traditional unit...
Mark Price
Tyreke
Scottie Pippen
Cousins
Bill Russell
off the bench.
old wilt chamberlain.
that's why i think this thread sux.
Tyreke
Scottie Pippen
Cousins
Bill Russell
off the bench.
old wilt chamberlain.
I like how half the role players in this thread are better than Tyreke/Cousins and/or Hall of Famers.
that's why i think this thread sux.
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ParniValjak
All-Star
PG: Tyreke Evans
SG: Doug Christie
SF: Andrei Kirilenko / Nicolas Batum
PF: Serge Ibaka
C: DeMarcus Cousins
SG: Doug Christie
SF: Andrei Kirilenko / Nicolas Batum
PF: Serge Ibaka
C: DeMarcus Cousins
