Its Obvious We Are Not Gonna Play D This Year So That Means We Have To Make 90% Of Our Shots To Win.this Is Horrible No D Means No Worlds Tittle.so U Guys Tell Me What The Kings Are Gonna Do, They Cant Just Suddenly Play D.i Will Say Evans Will Help Us Out In The Playoffs A Whole Lot But Wont Matter With Out D
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Everybody should wear platform shoes lifting themselves in the average range of 8 ft in height. Then just dunk the ball everytime on the offensive end. 
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BLNINJA #81
Bench
I think he means we'll be in the playoffs..... we just wont get very far.
scarlet_steph
G-League
cwebb84 said:
Breathe....Inhale....Exhale...Inhale...Exhale....
Doesn't that feel better?
Have a little faith...
well the caps are because im pissed off.second if we get behind i dont think we can come back becasue we get in shootouts.san antonio can come from behind cause they play d.thats why we need a guy who can play some d for us right now we look like high school team
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Rockmeister
All-Star
We just don't need "a" guy....we need the whole team to play defense.cwebb84 said:
TheSerbianQueen
Bench
cwebb84 said:
you know - you cal always become SA fan. I am sure noone has tied you down to a chair, forcing you to be Kings fan.......
AceKingSuited
Bench
It just sounds like he's frustrated because of the lack of team defense. I think we all can agree unless there's a change in their defense, the aren't going to encounter much success in the post season.
But it's a little more than just team defense, it's maintaining their energy for the full 4 quarters, instead of getting a lead, then mailing it in against an inferior opponent, then playing "catch-up" to re-steal it.
But it's a little more than just team defense, it's maintaining their energy for the full 4 quarters, instead of getting a lead, then mailing it in against an inferior opponent, then playing "catch-up" to re-steal it.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
There are three things which throw doubt on defense necessarily beign our downfall:
1) the lack of any truly great/legendary teams out there this time. No indomitable dynasties to defeat.
2) its still December. Its been several years since the last time the team that looked the best in December came out on top in JUne. LOT of basketball still to be played.
3) our defense picked up DRAMATICALLY in the playoffs last year. Took me by surprise as much as anybody. But there was no doubt that we simply decided that it was playoff time, and we knew what we had to do on defense. A repeat of that sort of added surge/focus could make a real difference for us in the playoffs, and throw off any predictions based on our regular season defense (or lack thereof).
P.S. Which is not to say I am not deeply concerned -- I am. Think our defensive personnel pretty much sucks and have no better idea how to fix us than starting Tag over Brad or something extreme like that. But there's a lot of uncertainty to any gloom and doom predictions this early in a wide open year.
1) the lack of any truly great/legendary teams out there this time. No indomitable dynasties to defeat.
2) its still December. Its been several years since the last time the team that looked the best in December came out on top in JUne. LOT of basketball still to be played.
3) our defense picked up DRAMATICALLY in the playoffs last year. Took me by surprise as much as anybody. But there was no doubt that we simply decided that it was playoff time, and we knew what we had to do on defense. A repeat of that sort of added surge/focus could make a real difference for us in the playoffs, and throw off any predictions based on our regular season defense (or lack thereof).
P.S. Which is not to say I am not deeply concerned -- I am. Think our defensive personnel pretty much sucks and have no better idea how to fix us than starting Tag over Brad or something extreme like that. But there's a lot of uncertainty to any gloom and doom predictions this early in a wide open year.
fakie
Bench
feel free to correct me if i am wrong, but i am getting this feeling that the kings have been so caught up with not getting a title during the last playoffs, that they almost seem to not be paying attention to what they are doing now. we all know they can do better, somehow they just seemed to have lost the motivations to play regular season games. kings have struggled with some "easy" opponents and that surprise me a quite a bit.
i know we are eager to get to the playoffs but we can't be wanting to bypass the regular season. afterall, that's what gets us in the playoffs.
i know we are eager to get to the playoffs but we can't be wanting to bypass the regular season. afterall, that's what gets us in the playoffs.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Well said. SOMETHING has to change...something...otherwise we can kiss this current wave of success out team has ridden the last 6 years...oh wait, its the ONLY wave of success our team has ever ridden. Geoff, I think, not to say that you havent already, but I think its time to make a few phone calls to shake things up a bit perhaps, because I dont see an influx of new energy from our team anytime in the near future. It doesnt have to be anything earth shattering, either, just something subtle that could make the difference. We might survive long enough until we get Bobby back, but as far as the playoffs go...hmm, cant say I'm that optimistic in our chances of doing much outside the first round. We could make it outta the first round like we always do, just because we're used to it, but thats all I see from us. Hopefully Geoff has something up his sleeve that might finally give us some new, positive energy(and dont say Evans, either, because you know that when Bobby gets back, its back to the bench for Mo', thats the way Adelman runs his team) Ho hum...tis' the life of our team that cant seem to figure anything out when the heat gets turned up in the kitchen....they always just get out, without thinking twice. I so wish we could have bottled the energy and enthusiasm from 2002.BLNINJA #81 said:
keflanag
Bench
This Kings team reminds me in many ways of the Lakers team two years ago (the year they lost to San Antonio in the 2nd round). That team just coasted their way through the season, saying they would step it up come playoff time. We seem to be coasting through the season, not too worried about anything. I get the impression the players just don't care anymore about the regular season. They know they will make the playoffs, and they seem disinterested in the regular season.
piksi
Hall of Famer
It is a "vicious circle" here. This group as good as it is (including coaching stuff) will not win it all. My question is - what is the goal of the franchise for this season ?
If the "goal" is the ring - this is a wasted year. Sometimes 2 steps back could mean 3 steps forward in a year or 2. RA will not get extension. What kind of authority does he have at the moment ?
I understand that many fans who have been trough bad times - appriciate this situation much more than us who have been around since 1999. I also understand that there at least 20 other teams who would trade the places.
BUT we are not going anywhere at the moment. There is no progress.
Other question is - what is the diference between not making PO or losing in the conference semies ? For 25 teams a big one. For the Kings - I do not see any. Kings still have some talent to move around to get more athletic, better rebounding, or defending team. Also there is enough time to put pieces together (see Pistons). Sometimes new blood can make difference.
Can the change be bad ? Definitely. The question is how much can Kings lose here ? I am not going to give any speculations about the trade possibilities. Kings have many options. I would start with coach with all due respect to RA's accomplishments during 7 regular seasons (not PO).
Kings are at the crossroad here - make no mistake about it.
If the "goal" is the ring - this is a wasted year. Sometimes 2 steps back could mean 3 steps forward in a year or 2. RA will not get extension. What kind of authority does he have at the moment ?
I understand that many fans who have been trough bad times - appriciate this situation much more than us who have been around since 1999. I also understand that there at least 20 other teams who would trade the places.
BUT we are not going anywhere at the moment. There is no progress.
Other question is - what is the diference between not making PO or losing in the conference semies ? For 25 teams a big one. For the Kings - I do not see any. Kings still have some talent to move around to get more athletic, better rebounding, or defending team. Also there is enough time to put pieces together (see Pistons). Sometimes new blood can make difference.
Can the change be bad ? Definitely. The question is how much can Kings lose here ? I am not going to give any speculations about the trade possibilities. Kings have many options. I would start with coach with all due respect to RA's accomplishments during 7 regular seasons (not PO).
Kings are at the crossroad here - make no mistake about it.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
The only difference between us and that Laker team is that that Laker team already had won something we havent...RINGS!keflanag said:
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Pretty much ditto what I was saying. Couldnt agree more.piksi said:
No one is denying that the team could well be at a crossroads, piksi.
But not all of us are ready to give up on them in DECEMBER.
At this point in the season, that comment is pure speculation. A lot of things can happen between now and April, both to the Kings and to all the other teams in the league. If you're already thrown in the towel, which obviously you have based on that statement, then you can just sit back and wait and see whether you'll be gleeing shouting "See! I told you so." or finding ways to sidestep the fact you were wrong.
I have been a fan of NBA basketball for way too many years to make any broad prediction at this point in the season. This year especially, there are simply too many different factors to put the "winner" or "loser" mantle on any team - well, with the exception of the Hornets (and they could actually get MUCH better once they get healthy).
So, to summarize, you're ready to scrap the team and the coach. I'm not...
We'll have to see what happens. That's why they actually make them play the games.
BTW, I am often very quick to criticize your posts. This time, while I don't agree with what you've said, I want to congratulate you on how well you said it. You did bring up points that I may revisit later in the season.
But not all of us are ready to give up on them in DECEMBER.
piksi said:
At this point in the season, that comment is pure speculation. A lot of things can happen between now and April, both to the Kings and to all the other teams in the league. If you're already thrown in the towel, which obviously you have based on that statement, then you can just sit back and wait and see whether you'll be gleeing shouting "See! I told you so." or finding ways to sidestep the fact you were wrong.
I have been a fan of NBA basketball for way too many years to make any broad prediction at this point in the season. This year especially, there are simply too many different factors to put the "winner" or "loser" mantle on any team - well, with the exception of the Hornets (and they could actually get MUCH better once they get healthy).
So, to summarize, you're ready to scrap the team and the coach. I'm not...
We'll have to see what happens. That's why they actually make them play the games.
BTW, I am often very quick to criticize your posts. This time, while I don't agree with what you've said, I want to congratulate you on how well you said it. You did bring up points that I may revisit later in the season.
mcsluggo
Starter
I agree.Circa_1985_Fan said:
Remember the effect that trading Corlis for Doug had on this team? That was, by no stretch of the imagination, a blockbuster trade. It was just a trade to get a person that was both a good complimentary fit for the team, and also a good contrast- by being strong in the King's weakest department. A relatively little trade had a BIG effect on this team.
As for Brick's toss-in comment: I'm personally all for starting Tag. We know for a fact that he is not the superior player to either Miller or Webber, but I personally don't think "starter" is some huge deal, the best playing UNITS are. We all saw how successful Miller was coming off the bench. He was big enough not to take it as an insult (even though he was better than Vlade easily at that point, and probably better than injured Webber too). In this situation, we could have a vastly improved starting D unit, and the single best quality bench big-guy in the league to come in at either the 4 or the 5 when needed. Given Tag's on-again off-again history in this league, and his obvious propensity to foul trouble, its highly likely that Miller will come in fairly early for him, and for long stretches. But not always.
I'm not sure how "big" webber would be about coming in off the bench behind tag, but other than that, the above scenario holds for him as the 6th man as well.
Neither Miller nor Webber would have to lose MANY minutes, (although Songaila might lose a few), just a re-arranging of WHEN players get minutes, and with which units.
btw, this is all just musing out of the end I usually store on my desk-chair, so feel free to absolutely rip into this proposal, like a complimentary bar at a college cocktail party.
piksi
Hall of Famer
I do not do this.VF21 said:
When I am wrong - I am wrong.
If Kings lose - "I told you so" - does not give me any satisfaction
However, I give my assesment of the situation the way I see it. If I had to be at the moment - Kings would not have HCA and would lose in 7th game of the conference semies.
Bottomline, we want the same thing here. We just see things very differently.
piksi - I didn't say April. I'm thinking something will definitely give by the end of next month if the team simply isn't getting the job done in a manner the Maloofs think will get them where they want to go...
I'm sure Petrie is thinking about what may need to be done, but I'm also pretty certain he's not panicking quite yet. We have a home stand the latter part of January where we play the Blazers, the Cavaliers, the Spurs and the Nets. If that doesn't go well, things could happen...I can't predict what things because it would depend on what did or didn't happen, who is or simply isn't doing their job, etc.
I'm sure Petrie is thinking about what may need to be done, but I'm also pretty certain he's not panicking quite yet. We have a home stand the latter part of January where we play the Blazers, the Cavaliers, the Spurs and the Nets. If that doesn't go well, things could happen...I can't predict what things because it would depend on what did or didn't happen, who is or simply isn't doing their job, etc.
Webber would not come off the bench willingly and I cannot blame him whatsoever. He, at least, is producing. Yes, he may not do everything right but I do not even want to speculate about what record this team would have this year without him playing major minutes.
Mixing up rotations is one thing. You do NOT bench producing players to start someone else.
Why? Mainly because of how "starters" are viewed, I suppose. But this argument went on for quite a while before so I know there are people who think there's nothing wrong with switching things around.
My heartfelt belief is that the best way to undermine a team is to start messing with things just to shake them up. Yes, there are things the team needs to do but I don't think rotating starters (AND especially starters like Chris Webber) is the way to do it.
But, as I said, that's just my three cents...
I think this is something people will have pretty diverse opinions about.
Why? Mainly because of how "starters" are viewed, I suppose. But this argument went on for quite a while before so I know there are people who think there's nothing wrong with switching things around.
My heartfelt belief is that the best way to undermine a team is to start messing with things just to shake them up. Yes, there are things the team needs to do but I don't think rotating starters (AND especially starters like Chris Webber) is the way to do it.
But, as I said, that's just my three cents...
I think this is something people will have pretty diverse opinions about.
piksi
Hall of Famer
We have a 7 man rotation at the moment. In such case it makes no difference to experiment.mcsluggo said:
At PG You ave one option.
At SF you have one option.
At SG You have one option.
So You can rotate 3 players at PF and 3 players at C
Makes no difference
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What You can do is give more PT to player who is doing well on the floor at a particular moment of the game. Regardless who he is playing for.
Also Bibby needs to get JWill treatement more often.
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