What kind of contract would you give Pedja?

[Bricklayer]

I am sure that if he does get traded mid season the team getting him will have a contract extention in place for him.

But all he has to say is I won't sign it before even showing up, and that's that. Your trading partners shrink dramatically. No months to work on it this summer. No chance to make an emergency trade of Peja midseason if he's really not goingt o resign. If somebody trades for him midseason, they have to be 100% sure that he will come back, or they aren;t going to offer us anything more than just garbage in return.

Mentioned this beffore, once you enter the final year of an unrestricted FAs contract, the power shifts dramatically to them. That's just a stupid thing to do to your franchise when the market had already been set. Too much cna go wrong, and if it does, your franchise takes a major major hit.

 

[AleksandarN]

Actually that is one statement I can agree with Brick 100%. This is fact folks, Peja is not KOBE, if we don't shop him now for lets say an artest (yes a huge gamble) then are are going to be stuck with him.

I want to see a ring, progress towards getting a ring. WE either need solid defenders around Peja or A solid defender for Peja and peeps that can score around him... Rahim.. ( I know u don't like that one brick )

I agree. We need to deal him or look at other ways to improve our weaknesses either way this offseason is the biggest offseason we had in a decade. In Petrie I trust this is what he gets the big bucks for lets see him work his magic

 

[piksi]

I'd offer him 5 for 55...then watch him walk after next year.

I don't think that we can let him walk away for nothing. we have got to get something in some way

 

[Bricklayer]

Actually that is one statement I can agree with Brick 100%. This is fact folks, Peja is not KOBE, if we don't shop him now for lets say an artest (yes a huge gamble) then are are going to be stuck with him.

I want to see a ring, progress towards getting a ring. WE either need solid defenders around Peja or A solid defender for Peja and peeps that can score around him... Rahim.. ( I know u don't like that one brick )

Rahim as a SF does not bother me. He's soft, but not as soft as our current SF, so its doable. Heck, Rahim on a team full of hardnosed defenders would be fine. He could score while everybody else covered for his deficiencies. My objection to Rahim is situational -- as a PF for THIS team, THESE softies. That does not work.

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

A Contract ? .... he hasnt proven to me that he deserves a contract...

 

[piksi]

All those amounts are pathetic - not only for Pedja but anyone else. I am glad that I don't have to make such a decision with my money.

Pedja will get paid regardless wheather he deserves it or not simply because everyone else gets paid.

Kings have to avoid losing him for nothing so they have to handle sooner rather than later. Once power shifts to Pedja (his agent) - who knows what will happen.

I would still risk it and let him play out the season and "earn" his money. If he does - a "sign and trade" scenario would be the worst option. Pedja needs to prove that season 03/04 was not just a "fluke"

 

[AleksandarN]

All those amounts are pathetic - not only for Pedja but anyone else. I am glad that I don't have to make such a decision with my money.

Pedja will get paid regardless wheather he deserves it or not simply because everyone else gets paid.

Kings have to avoid losing him for nothing so they have to handle sooner rather than later. Once power shifts to Pedja (his agent) - who knows what will happen.

I would still risk it and let him play out the season and "earn" his money. If he does - a "sign and trade" scenario would be the worst option. Pedja needs to prove that season 03/04 was not just a "fluke"

That is too risky for the Kings we can not aford to lose talent the Caliber of Pedja for nothing. I do not think the Kings would be a able recover the lose of such talent for years if we end up getting nothing in return.

 

[Packt]

Actually, considering Peja will be 28 next offseason, I think 5 years 50-54 million is closer to what he SHOULD get.

It seems like there is a large contingent of "trade Peja" posters. I'm not opposed to the idea for the right deal, but there may be a serious holdup to that option. I get the feeling that Petrie has NO intention of dealing Peja. Not now, and maybe not ever. And that scares me.

But I hope I'm wrong.

Not that I want Peja gone that badly. But I want to know that my team's GM is willing to make ANY deal that improves the team. Even if it means trading his own favorite player, which I believe Peja is.

That's how I feel exactly. I hope management is at least exploring moving Peja or getting a decent deal done this summer. If it ever gets to the point where it takes 70 mill and up to keep him, I would let him walk. It'll be hard to lose him for nothing, but it's better than the alternative.

If it were a year or two ago, I would probably be for it because keeping the team intact would be priority. The situation as it is now, I don't think it's in the teams best interest to give out a big contract to Peja or anybody else.

 

[Fillmoe]

if i was forced to give him a contract it would be like 5 year 45 mil..... unless he proves otherwise....

 

[bibby-the-man]

I would give him 5 years 50 mill.

 

[AleksandarN]

That's how I feel exactly. I hope management is at least exploring moving Peja or getting a decent deal done this summer. If it ever gets to the point where it takes 70 mill and up to keep him, I would let him walk. It'll be hard to lose him for nothing, but it's better than the alternative.

If it were a year or two ago, I would probably be for it because keeping the team intact would be priority. The situation as it is now, I don't think it's in the teams best interest to give out a big contract to Peja or anybody else.

How is it better than the alternative? We would lose him for nothing and to get a player of his caliber with the new CBA we would end of paying the same. It is better to do a sign and trade then just let him walk for free

 

[gilly420]

peja is not worth any more than 12 million/year no matter what. becasue he will get more than this we must trade him this season, hopefully he gets off to a great start and we can move him for something big.

 

[Padrino]

$2000 and a pizza over 2 years.

i know we're on page 3 now, but i have to say, i thought this was hilarious. given the general air of ambiguity surrounding peja these days, and the inflated market, is he worth what we might have to pay him??? i, personally, dont think so. $2000 and a pizza over two years! now, see, thats wonderful comedy, considering the division of fans over peja stojakovic! not bad for a new poster!!!

 

[Bricklayer]

We can't lose him for nothing. And its totally unnecessary.

The fact is that in the wake of the Allen and esecially Redd signings, its ahrd to imagine Peja not wanting the max almost no matter how he plays next year. Barring a completely disastrous injury plagued campaign I suspose. No matter if he scores 20, 22, 25, grabs 4rebs or 6, finally develops a post game or not, actually hits the floor or not, he's going to want the max. There is no need to wait. We know what he's going to want.

And as long as we deal with it this summer, we should either end up with a) an overpaid Peja; or b) good trade value in return. Only by waiting do we risk losing him for nothing.

 

[Packt]

How is it better than the alternative? We would lose him for nothing and to get a player of his caliber with the new CBA we would end of paying the same. It is better to do a sign and trade then just let him walk for free

Sure if a sign and trade is there, you explore it. But it's not always going to be there. Who's to say he won't sign with a contending team for less money? In that case I wouldn’t be showing him max money to entice him to stay.

 

[AleksandarN]

Sure if a sign and trade is there, you explore it. But it's not always going to be there. Who's to say he won't sign with a contending team for less money? In that case I wouldn’t be showing him max money to entice him to stay.

Thats why you trade him before the year is up if he does not resign.

 

[Packt]

Thats why you trade him before the year is up if he does not resign.

I said that in my orginal post.

 

[Venom]

Well, I'd kind of like to thank the Bucks for forcing Petrie's hand. We'll know by the end of this summer whether or not the Kings are really building around this "core", and how fanatic Petrie is about the Princeton Offense. I'm hoping for a trade, but I doubt it will be a blockbuster. I imagine, and would actually prefer, a trade for two up and comers rather than a fellow malcontent. Let's really start afresh here. Something like Peja for Chandler and Heinrich, or Villanueva/Bosh and Graham. And yes, I deliberately picked the two larger Serbian populations. And no, not looking for any Babcock jokes.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well, I'd kind of like to thank the Bucks for forcing Petrie's hand. We'll know by the end of this summer whether or not the Kings are really building around this "core", and how fanatic Petrie is about the Princeton Offense. I'm hoping for a trade, but I doubt it will be a blockbuster. I imagine, and would actually prefer, a trade for two up and comers rather than a fellow malcontent. Let's really start afresh here. Something like Peja for Chandler and Heinrich, or Villanueva/Bosh and Graham. And yes, I deliberately picked the two larger Serbian populations. And no, not looking for any Babcock jokes.

Those are reasonably blockbusterish. But I doubt Chicago would give up Heinrich. Maybe Chandler and Deng. Maybe. I wouldn't if I were them, but maybe we could at least talk. And when Toronto did its bizarre draft day thing I had a little voice in the back of my head asking whether any of that could have been for us, or if we could at least make it for us. Seemed like picks that would be logical for us (although I would still have to assume that dumb as Babcock may be, Bosh would be untouchable).

But either of those deals assumes two things I am not at all sure of:
1) that Petrie/the Maloofs will trade Peja under any circumstances -- the lovefest will be tested now, but if they pay him max it will confirm my suspicions
2) that the Kings are willing to actually launch a real rebuilding project.

I will say that if the Kings were able to pull off the Nene deal, and made either a Deng/Chandler or Villanueva/Graham trade as well, I would watch the upcoming season with MUCH more enthusiasm and interest to see how a kiddie core of Martin/Garcia/Nene/Villanueva/Graham or Martin/Garcia/Nene/Chandler/Deng did. That would be fun. But its a reach, and I'm not at all sure our front office shares my sense of adventure there.

 

[slugking50]

5 years - 40 million.

 

[Bricklayer]

5 years - 40 million.

Ironically I am higher than some. I would be willing to offer 5yrs $55mil, would concede to 5yrs $60mil given market forces, would automatically trade him if the numbers went any higher.

 

[starks]

Ironically I am higher than some. I would be willing to offer 5yrs $55mil, would concede to 5yrs $60mil given market forces, would automatically trade him if the numbers went any higher.

don't understand one thing: in the case of new contract for peja, he worth nothing and he is just better version of brian scalabrine but when we are talking about the trade possibilities, suddenly he has value and we want KG for him (+miller).....i mean, he is not superstar caliber but 90 mil for new contract has nothing to do with peja, it is market (as you said).....also somewhere I read that in serbia kings have 1 million fans and about 300 thousand in north america....his jersey was in top 25 best-selling for december 2004 (http://www.nba.com/news/jerseys_041209.html) and it is definitely best selling king's jersey .....these are the facts that maloofs are not going to ignore

 

[ParniValjak]

Maximum contracts are for the likes of Tim Duncan and Shack.

I think you will find that with salary cap increase and contract length and raises decreased more and more players will be offered max contracts. So expect players that are at Peja's level to be getting max deal. I am not saying that I am agreeing with it but IMHO, thats the path that a lot of teams will go down. In a few years someone like Amare and say Redd will be earning the same money but one is clearly MUCH MUCH better player than the other.

Its just something that will happen with the changes to the CBA despite our dislike of it.

 

[Vlad]

Depends on how he plays this year. If I had to extend it now, I'd give him 5 years and up to 75mm

 

[LA King Fan II]

Hmmm. Now the Chicago thing sounds interesting again. Deng did so well for a time last year, that Peja for him became uneven for THEM.

But maybe now something could work based on re-flipping Skiles' skirt for Peja. Can we really keep him and have him team with Bibby, Jackson and a skinny 2 guard and play with any kind of aggression on defense? (I still like Garcia's future, Brick).

Geez, chandler, curry and deng and we've got Corliss, Kenny and Leonard (sorry forgot Skinner's first name). Time for Chicago to play fair and help us out.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

I would trade him and not sign him. I clicked other.

 

[Bricklayer]

don't understand one thing: in the case of new contract for peja, he worth nothing and he is just better version of brian scalabrine but when we are talking about the trade possibilities, suddenly he has value and we want KG for him (+miller).....i mean, he is not superstar caliber but 90 mil for new contract has nothing to do with peja, it is market (as you said).....also somewhere I read that in serbia kings have 1 million fans and about 300 thousand in north america....his jersey was in top 25 best-selling for december 2004 (http://www.nba.com/news/jerseys_041209.html) and it is definitely best selling king's jersey .....these are the facts that maloofs are not going to ignore

1) yes indeed. Worth nothing at all. I mean, what's $60 mil among friends? That would already be too much, and enough to pin us against the cap for the rest of the decade between he, Brad and Mike.

2) and yes, its well known that the Kings main interest in all this is should be to keep the Serbian fans happy. They buy a lot of tickets. We can talk some other time about how much a franchise should value a large contingency of fans that apparently come and go as an extended entourage to a single player. If that's really what we want to have as a franchise, maybe we should pick up A.I. as well. His posse alone probably has more people in it than Belgrade.

3) Somehow I doubt a guy sneaking on as the #25 jersey one month is quite the reason to throw max money at him. You notice the guy right above him on that list? Got traded from the Kings just a few months back for being overpaid.

4) love how you just kind of throw Brad's name in there in parens in the proposed KG trade. Truly, all along its been a proposal to trade Peja for KG straight up (with Brad thrown in as filler). Closer to the truth to say that Peja is worth half as much as KG, and Brad is worth half as much as KG, and combine them and you maybe get KG in return. And so by extension maybe we should pay Peja about half as much as KG.

 

[ParniValjak]

For all the bashing Peja cops on this board, it would be kind of ironic if he just left us high and dry at the end of the year, then some of the bitching might be warranted

 

[Bricklayer]

For all the bashing Peja cops on this board, it would be kind of ironic if he just left us high and dry at the end of the year, then some of the bitching might be warranted

No, you know what? If Peja leaves us high and dry at the end of the year, that's our fault, not his (unless he pulls a Boozer). It should never, ever get to that point. If it does, its because our front office is just being dumb. Be the rudest of all possible awakenings for them, but nothing unfair about it.

 

[ParniValjak]

No, you know what? If Peja leaves us high and dry at the end of the year, that's or fault, not his (unless he pulls a Boozer). It should never, ever get to that point. If it does, its because our front office is just being dumb. Be the rudest of all possible awakenings for them, but nothing unfair about it.

No I am just saying that Peja seems to be the bloke that cops all the flack on this team. If someone here wakes up with a pimple on their face in the morning their imidiate reaction is to blame Peja. Its getting really tiring and no matter what Peja does he will always cop it.

People here have been coming up with ridicilous comments about what his worth is. Fact is Peja will get a contract bigger than what he has now. Personally, i don't think he is worth the max and have stated that a number of times, but he is a player who is worth at least $10 million per season and there wouldn't be a team out there that wouldn't offer him that no matter what you or anyone else thinks. Everyone wants a good player on the cheap and that quite simply isn't going to happen.

I guess for us as fans we need someone to blame when we feel like it so for now I guess its Peja's turn

The way some of you are posting you could be forgiven for thinking that Peja is this role player that comes on for 15 minutes a night, socred 3 points and does nothing else. Newsflash - Like it or lump it he is MUCH more than that.