They tried to trade Holmes for the past year. He had no value at his current salary. In fact, he had negative value since we had to attach a 1st to get rid of the contract (unless you truly believe Monte just jumped at the chance to get a valuable asset for Holmes and just said, **** it let’s toss our first round pick in for the heck of it.) It is absolutely not the same thing as selling a pick for cash considerations. We did it to sign the players we have so far and either sign someone else and/or extend domas. The day and age of calling an owner cheap for not wanting to pay the luxury tax are long gone. There are actual negative team building impacts and penalties for spending too much on your teams salary under the new collective bargaining agreement.
What an abysmal offseason.
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For whatever reason Brown didn't like him. Even when Holmes got a start in LA and played really well, they went right back to not playing him at all. Didn't make much sense, unless they had already made up their mind that they were not interested in him staying with the team.
I wouldn't be surprised at all, if he gets back to playing well with a fresh start in Dallas. Just needs some consistent floor time to get it going
I wouldn't be surprised at all, if he gets back to playing well with a fresh start in Dallas. Just needs some consistent floor time to get it going
Vezenkov at the 4 upgrade (probably), Lyles at the 5 (definite upgrade), Jones/Kessler/Duarte as your wing swings to fill that back-up 2/3 slot.
That's not treading water. That's upgrading the back-end of the rotation while keeping together one of the better top 8 rotations in basketball. All of whom have full year playing together and get a full off-season/training camp together.
There's literally not a single big FA deal I'm mad about passing on. KJ Martin for 2 2nd's is honestly the only deal so far I feel we should have been in on.
That's not treading water. That's upgrading the back-end of the rotation while keeping together one of the better top 8 rotations in basketball. All of whom have full year playing together and get a full off-season/training camp together.
There's literally not a single big FA deal I'm mad about passing on. KJ Martin for 2 2nd's is honestly the only deal so far I feel we should have been in on.
Barnes, Lyles, and Edwards stayed.
TD is likely gone, but I see Duarte as a better player (taller, better defender, has offensive game).
Metu is gone so we lost athleticism up front.
Holmes is gone but I think he was in his own head too much and never returned to his old self. I think Aleksander (Sasha), while is not what this team needs, is a comparable talent if not better. Sasha can shoot and has a high and quick release. This is a skill that translates.
We increased our wing depth while adding two young players in Col-Slaw. If Colby plays a lick of defense he'll be better than the sieve TD.
We cannot go into the season with one Center, so I'll reserve judgement until we make another move or two.
(So far)
Increased - shooting, youth, help on wing
Decreased - front court depth, athleticism
TD is likely gone, but I see Duarte as a better player (taller, better defender, has offensive game).
Metu is gone so we lost athleticism up front.
Holmes is gone but I think he was in his own head too much and never returned to his old self. I think Aleksander (Sasha), while is not what this team needs, is a comparable talent if not better. Sasha can shoot and has a high and quick release. This is a skill that translates.
We increased our wing depth while adding two young players in Col-Slaw. If Colby plays a lick of defense he'll be better than the sieve TD.
We cannot go into the season with one Center, so I'll reserve judgement until we make another move or two.
(So far)
Increased - shooting, youth, help on wing
Decreased - front court depth, athleticism
I'm actually not against owners trying to make/save money. I'm also not against the idea of largely running it back with last year's group. Continuity is important and helpful, and in trying to short circuit the development process, we might disturb the team chemistry. A large bad contract can also set the team back. So, I don't have many problems with the moves themselves.
I do believe though, that "selling" Holmes' contract by bribing the Mavs with our FRP was a cheap move. Yes he didn't have much value (or perhaps -ve value, which is why we had to pay Mavs). I believe that that would have changed next year (or even at the deadline this year, if he got a chance to play). We didn't gain anything other than space, which we still have to use. Bringing back Barnes and Lyles could have been done without trading away Holmes. So, the only gain is Vivek's.
Perhaps Monte can still use it to orchestrate something, or use the TPE during the season as some folks have suggested. Perhaps he extends Domas. Don't understand CBA enough, but from some accounts, cap space was a requirement to do so. Maybe these end up being better value than FRP, or whatever Holmes could have netted next year. Where we are right now, it seems like a cheap move.
As to the highlighted part of your post above, I'm not saying we should hand out bloated contracts. All I'm saying is that the moves we made, we could have made without trading Holmes. We would have still remained below the LT. So Vivek is the only beneficiary from that move. That's pretty much the only point I'm making. Viewed from that reference, it is exactly like selling our FRP for cash.
I do believe though, that "selling" Holmes' contract by bribing the Mavs with our FRP was a cheap move. Yes he didn't have much value (or perhaps -ve value, which is why we had to pay Mavs). I believe that that would have changed next year (or even at the deadline this year, if he got a chance to play). We didn't gain anything other than space, which we still have to use. Bringing back Barnes and Lyles could have been done without trading away Holmes. So, the only gain is Vivek's.
Perhaps Monte can still use it to orchestrate something, or use the TPE during the season as some folks have suggested. Perhaps he extends Domas. Don't understand CBA enough, but from some accounts, cap space was a requirement to do so. Maybe these end up being better value than FRP, or whatever Holmes could have netted next year. Where we are right now, it seems like a cheap move.
As to the highlighted part of your post above, I'm not saying we should hand out bloated contracts. All I'm saying is that the moves we made, we could have made without trading Holmes. We would have still remained below the LT. So Vivek is the only beneficiary from that move. That's pretty much the only point I'm making. Viewed from that reference, it is exactly like selling our FRP for cash.
Twenty. Eight. Hours.
Untwist your panties and give the Executive of the Year a chance, will you? Sheesh. you would probably be on the deck of the Titanic complaining that it wasn't sinking fast enough.
Untwist your panties and give the Executive of the Year a chance, will you? Sheesh. you would probably be on the deck of the Titanic complaining that it wasn't sinking fast enough.
That said, I don't think we have much to play around with now. Once we resigned Barnes, our number dropped down to something in the MLE range, right? Perhaps a little extra. My point is that quite likely the moves we end up making could have been made without trading away the FRP.
Good lord dude.. ONE year back to the playoffs and you think we need a big splash and replace people on a team that is a contender for years to come? Why on earth would you want to mess with the chemistry first of all and why would you want to take more members off a team that finished 3rd in the West?
Adding the MVP of Euro League, and a couple other players who will probably make us the best 3pt shooting team and best 2pt% team in the NBA, not to mention a team that can win on the road... You think that is bad? If we could figure things out at home we will be the best team in the NBA for freaks sake. We already a top 5 team in the entire NBA.. Where would you put us? And if outside of the top 5 name 6 teams better than us?
Adding the MVP of Euro League, and a couple other players who will probably make us the best 3pt shooting team and best 2pt% team in the NBA, not to mention a team that can win on the road... You think that is bad? If we could figure things out at home we will be the best team in the NBA for freaks sake. We already a top 5 team in the entire NBA.. Where would you put us? And if outside of the top 5 name 6 teams better than us?
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Ok, so I googled it. Here’s my take.
1. I personally never liked the Kangz thing, so I rarely if ever said it.
2. I don’t want to knowingly or unknowingly use terminology that can be deemed racist or bigoted.
3. With 1 and 2 being said, I’m not sure some morons on 4chan get to change the meaning of an innocuous saying that is used all over the place, even by Zach Lowe and other national media personalities.
1. I personally never liked the Kangz thing, so I rarely if ever said it.
2. I don’t want to knowingly or unknowingly use terminology that can be deemed racist or bigoted.
3. With 1 and 2 being said, I’m not sure some morons on 4chan get to change the meaning of an innocuous saying that is used all over the place, even by Zach Lowe and other national media personalities.
I think you are right, but then again I think it does come from a derogatory place.. The whole "We was Kangz!" meme is a bit rude. It has to do with a lot of notable black people saying that the Egyptians were black, and then the meme "we was kangz" was created off of that as a bit of a "poking fun at people who said Egypt was black a couple thousand years ago".
I get you are the rainbows crowd and have always been……. But it wasn’t either or Barnes and Brooks. You could sign Brooks and go over the cap to sign Barnes.
we lost in the first round last year and now in the off season we:
1) we lost Prosper, Holmes, Metu, TD
2) gained Colby Jones, Duarte
Everyone else we had the rights to already and could have signed without the Holmes move.
we could easily had a line up of
Sabonis/Queta/Holmes
Murray/Lyles or Vezenkov
Barnes/ Kessler or Prosper
Huerter / Ellis or Jones
Fox / Monk / Mitchell
2 way: Slawson
instead our line-up is
Sabonis/Queta/Len???
Murray/Lyles or Vezenkov
Barnes/Kessler/Slawson???
Huerter/Duarte/Jones
Fox/Monk/Mitchell
2 way: Ellis, Slawson???
The difference
we lost in the first round last year and now in the off season we:
1) we lost Prosper, Holmes, Metu, TD
2) gained Colby Jones, Duarte
Everyone else we had the rights to already and could have signed without the Holmes move.
we could easily had a line up of
Sabonis/Queta/Holmes
Murray/Lyles or Vezenkov
Barnes/ Kessler or Prosper
Huerter / Ellis or Jones
Fox / Monk / Mitchell
2 way: Slawson
instead our line-up is
Sabonis/Queta/Len???
Murray/Lyles or Vezenkov
Barnes/Kessler/Slawson???
Huerter/Duarte/Jones
Fox/Monk/Mitchell
2 way: Ellis, Slawson???
The difference
- Vivek saves money (+)
- We are stronger at 2 but don’t have more than TD minutes for that guy (-)
- We are dependent on Kessler being improved versus Kessler or Prosper (-)
- We still have holes at backup center and the 3 that we are looking at 3rd tier guys. (-)