Monty'sBiggestFan
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In other words, it was a useless graphic.... 
What a turnaround
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Well, for as much distaste as I have for Lisa Leslie, I'm totally on board with the way that list was presented. Scoring the most points in the WNBA should be what's considered more significant, particularly by the WNBA itself. In fact, it's the only professional sports league that I'm aware of where they even give more than token acknowledgement to what sort of stats their players put up outside of their league. I personally think that scoring 5000 points in one league is more significant than scoring 5000+ points in two different leagues.
Monty'sBiggestFan
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Were there really people out there confused about whether Katie Smith or Lisa Leslie scored 5000 pts first in the WNBA?
MamaBristow
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I agree with that.
I don't even really have that much hatred for LLL anymore, don't ask me why. I just still find it amusing that Meyers can't complete a game without bringing up Lisa, no matter who is playing. She even had to bring up the "you know, Lisa Leslie sat out the whole fourth quarter last week against Sacramento, and LA still won..." or something like that.
She made the graphic semi-relevant by having Yo on the list as well, but the segment was about Leslie... not Yo. Lisa reaching 5,000 was a landmark for the league, so I can understand it being brought up in a non-LA game, but the graphic should have been exclusively WNBA if they were going to show it. I would have rather seen who was closest on her heels using only W points.
That depends on what you define as the "start" of the drought: if you're defining it as everything after Seattle's first timeout, then Seattle scored all sixteen of their points during the "drought." If you define it as the 3:12 in the middle of the quarter that Sacramento went without a field goal, then the actual number of points that Seattle scored during the drought was seven. If you define it as the slightly longer 3:16 that Sacramento went without a field goal towards the end, then the actual number of points that Seattle scored during the drought was only six.
But, however you define "drought," it doesn't really matter, because none of those definitions disproves my argument: a 16-9 run (first definition) is the defense's fault... so is a 7-0 run (second definition), and so is a 6-2 run (third definition).
I'm almost sure of it.
You did; Thompson was on that graphic.
MamaBristow
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I know... I meant beyond that. That's only a two person list, I'm greedy and want more.
I would have liked to see this:
1. Lisa Leslie - 5,040
2. Tina Thompson - 4,126
3. Sheryl Swoopes - 4,066
4. Katie Smith - 3,890
5. Chamique Holdsclaw - 3,636
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Monty'sBiggestFan
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I'm not arguing that the defense was not a problem...as I have repeatedly mentioned in previous posts. The defense is a generally accepted problem that most everybody acknowledges. What I am arguing is that they did in fact play some defense tonight and for longer stretches than just the first quarter. As with everything else this season it was not consistent. By definition, a drought means you aren't scoring. True, you probably aren't defending well either or their shots are falling and yours aren't.
I'm having more of a problem with the offense right now because its jacked up and I don't care how well you defend, if you're only scoring 11pts a quarter your chances of winning diminish significantly. And when your shooters for whatever reason don't want to shoot, we're back to the 3 headed post offense years and praying teams don't go zone. They are 7-7 and 7-0 when their FG% is higher than their opponents. That has to be defense related, but when their offense also works or doesn't that is a factor too.
I couldn't hear the conversation, allz I knew was I was trying to figure out why there was a list without Swoopes. Meyers is contractually obligated to mention Leslie regardless of how random at least once in games not involving the Sparks. I'm convinced of it. I'm more burnt out on the ill prepared Meyers than I am a hater of Leslie. She called Dorrell/Hoston late in the game...didn't she get the game notes?
I'm having more of a problem with the offense right now because its jacked up and I don't care how well you defend, if you're only scoring 11pts a quarter your chances of winning diminish significantly. And when your shooters for whatever reason don't want to shoot, we're back to the 3 headed post offense years and praying teams don't go zone. They are 7-7 and 7-0 when their FG% is higher than their opponents. That has to be defense related, but when their offense also works or doesn't that is a factor too.
I couldn't hear the conversation, allz I knew was I was trying to figure out why there was a list without Swoopes. Meyers is contractually obligated to mention Leslie regardless of how random at least once in games not involving the Sparks. I'm convinced of it. I'm more burnt out on the ill prepared Meyers than I am a hater of Leslie. She called Dorrell/Hoston late in the game...didn't she get the game notes?
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All three of the "definitions" that I offered above can be truthfully applied to this statement. Howe'er, comma, it also needs to be acknowledged that, for the Monarchs, the defense has a direct impact on the offense, and it has been that way for the entire time that Whisenant has been in charge. The Monarchs have used their defense to set up their offense for the length of Whisenant's tenure, and when the other team outscores the Monarchs 7-0 over 3:12, or 6-2 over 3:16, it is reasonable to draw the conclusion that it has more to do with the Monarchs defense than it does with their offense. And besides, just because you miss five straight shots doesn't mean that you have to let the other team score; a drought might be the offense's fault, but a run by the other team is the defense's fault.
The Monarchs have already proven that they can win without scoring well; they have yet to prove that they can win without playing good defense.
I fail to see how this could possibly be an "OR" statement; if you're defending well, then their shots aren't falling.Monty'sBiggestFan said:
And my offensive commentary for the day:
When your shooters aren't hitting shots, and you best offensive players operate out of the post, anyway, you might as well... Besides which, when I see Houston force-feeding Michelle Snow down low, and LA daring people to try and stop Lisa Leslie, it makes my blood boil... but when I see Seattle running clear-outs and iso's for Janelle F. Burse of all people, and Yo Griffith can't even see the ball, I want to reach into my television and strangle Whisenant. We have the second-best center in the entire league, whom the other team can't guard; why the hell is she only averaging eight shots a game?Monty'sBiggestFan said:
Monty'sBiggestFan
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Sounds like we are in agreement then as I posted earlier, the team defense and offense need consistent improvement. Until they both improve and do so consistently - we may as well be thankful that this team is at least .500 right now.
We are not in agreement as to the degree; I'm not happy with the offense, but if the defense was right (and it isn't), I wouldn't really care much about the offense.
I believe that, when the Monarchs' defense is on, they are perfectly capable of winning a basketball game 35-34. And, since I am a results-oriented person, that would suit me just fine. Offense only becomes a concern for me when the defense can't get right; the only time you "have" to score is when you can't stop people.
And I am, by no acceptable definition, "thankful" that the Monarchs are a .500 team.
NothinButHoops
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Lets not forget when they give up so many offensive rebounds, they don't win as well. We outrebounded Indiana, which led to more open looks & scoring was up. Simple boxing out & wanting it more.
Can't wait for Thursdays game...that rookie, what's her name...Augustas.
Now that should be a test...can one player beat us?
Can't wait for Thursdays game...that rookie, what's her name...Augustas.
Now that should be a test...can one player beat us?
Monty'sBiggestFan
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Mabika sure tried to. If she didn't have to share the ball w/Taurasi Pondexter was trying to.
Did see Augustus on TV last weekend and saw that she's perfected the art of perimeter scoring - which I don't recall ever being a strength of her college game. Powell and Maiga will have a test on their hands...
If she didn't have to share the ball w/Taurasi Pondexter was trying to. Did see Augustus on TV last weekend and saw that she's perfected the art of perimeter scoring - which I don't recall ever being a strength of her college game. Powell and Maiga will have a test on their hands...
nancgo
Bench
It seems like the last few years they started out like this. You just didn't know which team would show up for the beginning of the season. Then later they started gelling and coming from behind to take the wins. The team is different this year from last. However, the main group is still intact, and they know what to do. While I am a fan through thick and thin, this pattern has to stop sometime.....you would think they see it too, but maybe it's not obvious to them...
Anyway, I hope they come around soon since the season really isn't that long, and other teams are doing well. It will be a tight race in the west, and it's a long way back up to the top.
Anyway, I hope they come around soon since the season really isn't that long, and other teams are doing well. It will be a tight race in the west, and it's a long way back up to the top.
kennadog
Dog On It!
I got depressed watching that game last night. Yo practically seems invisible. The offense looks like they don't know what they are doing out there, or what they want to do, and the defense just kinda crumbled. I miss Chelsea on defense.
This team has an awful long way to go, if they plan on being a real contender again, but......
GO MONARCHS!
This team has an awful long way to go, if they plan on being a real contender again, but......
GO MONARCHS!
StevenHW
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This year's Monarchs team must be schizophrenic. One very good game, followed by an embarrassing loss. ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!
This could NOT have been the same Monarchs team that I saw in this season's opening rout of Phoenix. Someone must have been impersonating several Monarchs players and wearing their uniforms this year!
This could NOT have been the same Monarchs team that I saw in this season's opening rout of Phoenix. Someone must have been impersonating several Monarchs players and wearing their uniforms this year!
