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My contention is that you misread the situation, and came to the wrong conclusion. I look at Cleveland's roster last year, and I see a team that was trying to shed salary, to make a run at LeBron. Trading for a guy with three years left on his deal would have been the opposite of that. You'll notice that, when they did get rid of Jack, all they got back was the rights to guys that they still haven't signed.
You insist on trying to spin it like the Cavaliers specifically didn't want Thompson, when the truth is that the Cavaliers didn't want anybody.
Iced Espresso
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You've failed to show me a 5 year contract signed by a different role player.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I am still not convinced that he requested a trade. I think its someone making stuff up. JT has been nothing but a true pro. Hopefully with a HOF coach, he rediscovers his mojo. The guys has bit hit from pillar to post in his 7 years here. No stability, no direction, so much uncertainty, 7 coaches in 7 season and each one of them wanted him to play a different role. Just let the man be a the workhorse PF that every great C has next to them.
The Bucks signed John Salmons to a five-year deal. That role player-y enough for you?
Iced Espresso
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Last year had a 1 million guarantee right?
Similar to Thompson's 2.65 million guarantee?
Now how did that work with Salmons?
My point is, those who have a problem with Thompson is mainly do to contract length, the sum is not really a biggie, he'd expire this season on a 3 year. Like I said earlier you don't sign role players to 5 year deals. It's not a good move, especially when you do not have a long term solution in front of them.
So here we sit, with at least 1 more season, + 2.65 million the following without something better in front of him.
Now, you're just moving the goalposts.
Iced Espresso
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If you want to rationalize Thompson having a 5 year contract as anything other than a poor investment that's your call.
We still sit here, with nothing decent at the 4....3 seasons into the contract. With another full year + 2.65 million and nothing better in front of him.
Do you think it is wise to sign role players to 5 year contracts?
Thompson is a quality big. He's not a qualitystarting big, but he's a quality big, who can play two positions on either end, and is signed to a reasonable contract. We are unlikely to agree on this.
Jason Thompson is not the problem. He doesn't need to be traded. He makes a great third big. What we need to do is make other moves that enable us to keep Jason Thompson without having to start Jason Thompson.
Iced Espresso
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We actually agree on many things with an asterisk.
Season 1-3 you said pretty good signing, I'm more ok I understand it he is versatile holds the fort down for now and can play in two separate spots in case we get an upgrade. (not a fan of 5 years, hurts our investment potential)
Today, you still think it is good.
Today, me...Well I was afraid of this, with his contract still continuing we were not able to fill out the roster decently, and part of the reason is lack of investment money. A guy like him is just not worth a 5 year gamble that could keep you from restructuring the roster.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I think people are harsh on JT because of his deal. Sure the 5 years might have been an overkill for a role player but people need to be aware of the circumstances at the time of the re-signing. Maloofs were stooging more and more money from season to season. Geoff Petrie overlooked Damien Lillard and took Thomas Robinson because he was not convinced that Maloofs will pony up the money to resign JT.
I think the fact that his last year is partially guaranteed is handy and if you ask me if JT's deal for MLE over 5 years with the last year only having some $2m guarantee is better than the fully guaranteed 4 year $26m Carl Landry deal, I would take JT's deal over Landry's all day every day.
The current front office could not control JT signing. They inherited that contract but for them to further bury our investment money and cap flexibility into a 30 year old undersized PF is something on them. So no, JT's deal is not the one killing our cap. It the unnecessary Carl Landry signing that is destroying it.
I think the fact that his last year is partially guaranteed is handy and if you ask me if JT's deal for MLE over 5 years with the last year only having some $2m guarantee is better than the fully guaranteed 4 year $26m Carl Landry deal, I would take JT's deal over Landry's all day every day.
The current front office could not control JT signing. They inherited that contract but for them to further bury our investment money and cap flexibility into a 30 year old undersized PF is something on them. So no, JT's deal is not the one killing our cap. It the unnecessary Carl Landry signing that is destroying it.
That's not on Thompson, or his contract, though. It's on D'Alessandro and (possibly) Ranadive. All we would have had to do to be able to fill out the roster 'decently' was not sign Landry.
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Iced Espresso
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That would be 100% true and all on them if, there was some sort of desire out there to take the Thompson contract.
I find both moves bad.
Jt's should have been 3 years. Landry never signed.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Hai!!
It's still 100 percent on them. You're stuck on the need to move Thompson, and my position is that there is no such need. We sign a starting PF instead of Landry, and Thompson's contract is still a good one.
It's D'Alessandro's fault that the contract even looks bad.
9x1x6
Bench
If you ignore this abysmal season (which hasnt been one since JT got here?) Jason Thompson is on the right side of 30 and a career 11/7 PF. While guys like Tristan Thompson (23) 11/8.5 and Enes Kanter (22) 9/6 seek 12-14 million dollar deals, JT is a steal at 6.
Edit: AND he has pretty good D.
Edit: AND he has pretty good D.
Iced Espresso
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That was one of the worst contract signings in the last 10 years probably. Considering our roster at the time, we had Pat and Chuck too.
But sorry just can't let the 5 year length go, because at 3 years Thompson has trade value, or would have today. He did not to anyone else in the league much. So at this point, it is a negative asset contract to 29 teams.
This has always been my contention. Imagine if the Kings drafted, signed or traded for a player who was either an athletic weakside defender (a Tyson Chandler, Willie Cauley-Stein, Marcus Camby, Hassan Whiteside etc type) a starter quality stretch 4 (Ryan Anderson, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Love, Robert Horry type) or even a guy who can do a bit of both (Rasheed Wallace, Serge Ibaka type). Then you've got Jason Thompson as a 3rd big who can give you minutes at the 4 and 5 and play with either Cousins or your new frontcourt starter. All of a sudden you have a VERY strong frontcourt and JT's contract doesn't seem so bad. Honestly, I don't understand why there are all the complaints when Landry and Williams are both making more than half a million more than JT and provide much less versatility and production.
Thompson is a solid piece on a good team. But just like IT last year, being pushed into a starter's role on a bad team is not as good a position as being a big bench contributor on a good team.
I only care if he's an asset to this team.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Couldn't agree more. We had the best front court rotations when we rolled out with Cousins-Dalembert-Thompson trio. That rotation was giving fits to the at the time feared Bynum-Gasol-Odom frontcourt.
I want equivalent of that AGAIN! The only difference this time would be a super star Boogie.
Thompson is allegedly scheduled to appear on Napear's show, at 16:35 Pacific.
Thompson is... not the most articulate-sounding person in the world, for him to be a college graduate.
fansinceday1
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Thompson has always been the most up front king in my book. If he has something to say, he says it.
IfAt1st
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JT bugs me. (listened to most of the interview)
He thinks that his skillset and execution is WAY better than it actually is - he talks about his not being in the playoffs, what he should be getting out of his game.....
I think he's barely qualified to be a significant-minute player in this league, who should consider himself lucky to have a solid 20+ minute career. His lack of improvement and continued brain-dead mistakes is amazing - likely unparalleled in a player of his tenure and use.
There is not one team in the entire NBA where he would have possibly warranted as many minutes as he's been FORTUNATE enough to play.
He is the opposite of clutch - literally, the number of plays where he has come through in a close game and made a good play is impossibly minuscule for the number of games and minutes he's played.
His most memorable plays are a end-game flush from Beno and the 35-point comeback vs the Bulls years ago (in meaningless seasons).
And yes, he did relate his frustrations (most frustrating of his entire career, which is saying a LOT) and put himself above the team in that interview last off-season.
He thinks that his skillset and execution is WAY better than it actually is - he talks about his not being in the playoffs, what he should be getting out of his game.....
I think he's barely qualified to be a significant-minute player in this league, who should consider himself lucky to have a solid 20+ minute career. His lack of improvement and continued brain-dead mistakes is amazing - likely unparalleled in a player of his tenure and use.
There is not one team in the entire NBA where he would have possibly warranted as many minutes as he's been FORTUNATE enough to play.
He is the opposite of clutch - literally, the number of plays where he has come through in a close game and made a good play is impossibly minuscule for the number of games and minutes he's played.
His most memorable plays are a end-game flush from Beno and the 35-point comeback vs the Bulls years ago (in meaningless seasons).
And yes, he did relate his frustrations (most frustrating of his entire career, which is saying a LOT) and put himself above the team in that interview last off-season.
But then we wouldn't have been able to waste 6+m a year in Carl.
macadocious
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Not that this is an end all be all statement, but it's telling:
I am doing a 30 team full NBA re-draft with some buddies. Most of whom I respect their NBA acumen as much as some of the better posters here. We are in the 9th round and JT is still on the table. (I will take him towards the end of this round if he is still there)
I am doing a 30 team full NBA re-draft with some buddies. Most of whom I respect their NBA acumen as much as some of the better posters here. We are in the 9th round and JT is still on the table. (I will take him towards the end of this round if he is still there)
9x1x6
Bench
Also a testament to our player development the past 5 or 6 years.
Has JT ever been injured longer then two weeks?
And honestly, every time youʻve been frustrated or mad at the team or something they did the past 6 years, try being a part of it as one of the players. Iʻd be fed up with this crap by now to. At least heʻd not out there publicly dropping his trade value like Goran Dragic.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
How many buddies?
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