Welcome, Jared Cunningham

Our team has officially fallen in love with 10-days.. I guess the bright side is that he's a guard ... And we need guards.
 
haha, this is great.

We are going to set some alltime record for number of players used over the season.

Gives more credence to the idea that Isaiah may be "hurt" a bit longer too while we play our kids. No wonder its hard to get our main guys to take our games seriously at this point.
 
I honestly have no idea who Jared Cunningham is did a search apparantly he was the 24th pick in the 2012 draft via Oregon State (CLE) and has been traded a couple times already and has had more than a few stints in the D-League. 6'5" 188LBS SG and athletic as they come.


Likely to back up Ben and we were going to need to acquire a SG in the off-season anyways so might as well kick the tires with this kid to see what he got & how he fits.
 
upinsmoke said:
I honestly have no idea who Jared Cunningham is did a search apparantly he was the 24th pick in the 2012 draft via Oregon State (CLE) and has been traded a couple times already and has had more than a few stints in the D-League. 6'5" 188LBS SG and athletic as they come.


Likely to back up Ben and we were going to need to acquire a SG in the off-season anyways so might as well kick the tires with this kid to see what he got & how he fits.
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I remember the pick, and it was a "surprise" pick at the time with Mavs announcing, that they were going to try and make him a PG or at least a combo-guard (that for a guy, who barely got over 3 assists per 40 minutes his junior season and was under 3 as underclassmen :rolleyes:). Don't know, if he had any injuries, but at the time he was getting at will both to the rim and FT line: 44% of his shots were at the rim(FG% 63.7) and 8.7 FTs per 40 minutes, but was barely passable as a shooter with no touch on the move. Sort of scrawny Tyreke :D, but here comparison ends, because lone quickness that might be enough for college is nothing without power in the NBA.
Dallas experiment obviously failed, but here's your ball-handling two, though with his frame he's probably equivalent of IT at PG defensively.
 
Yea, I recall this guy having great size and crazy athleticism. Different than Ben Mac though, as he made his living getting to the rim and the FT line in college. 50% FG on 2pt and shot 7.5 FTA/game in his last year with Oregon State.
 
I'll give the FO credit for trying ... but seriously speaking though how many guys in the history of the NBA who were randomly plucked from the D league or whatever and tried out on 10 day contracts actually became rotational players (on a decent team)? The chances of actually finding a diamond in the rough are slimmer than slim.
 
mac said:
I'll give the FO credit for trying ... but seriously speaking though how many guys in the history of the NBA who were randomly plucked from the D league or whatever and tried out on 10 day contracts actually became rotational players (on a decent team)? The chances of actually finding a diamond in the rough are slimmer than slim.
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This move is not about finding a diamond in the rough. This is about finding Ray McCallum some rest time during the games.

I guess it was a good thing that we let Jimmer go to a team that needed him. His playing time has gone up from 11.3 minutes/game here to 4.2 minutes/game in Chicago. Also, those 16 DNPs in 57 games here (28%) clearly were not indicative of his value to Chicago, who has given him 10 DNPs in 15 games (67%). (How's that grass looking now?)
 
mac said:
I'll give the FO credit for trying ... but seriously speaking though how many guys in the history of the NBA who were randomly plucked from the D league or whatever and tried out on 10 day contracts actually became rotational players (on a decent team)? The chances of actually finding a diamond in the rough are slimmer than slim.
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I guess it was a big mistake?

Boy, are we down on ....... everything? And good morning to you.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
This move is not about finding a diamond in the rough. This is about finding Ray McCallum some rest time during the games.

I guess it was a good thing that we let Jimmer go to a team that needed him. His playing time has gone up from 11.3 minutes/game here to 4.2 minutes/game in Chicago. Also, those 16 DNPs in 57 games here (28%) clearly were not indicative of his value to Chicago, who has given him 10 DNPs in 15 games (67%). (How's that grass looking now?)
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indeed. "where does he fit?" was always going to be the sticking point with jimmer fredette. while he was a king, our resident jimmer fans were usually quick to claim that a playoff team in need of shooting would be able to make use of him. yet he's on a defensively-oriented playoff team with one of the least efficient offenses in the entire nba, and he's seeing even less court time than he did with this kings team and its pathetically thin guard rotation...

i dunno, perhaps the bulls are just another poor destination for jimmer because of tom thibodeau's particular style of play. or perhaps thibs simply has no desire to give rotation minutes to a midseason acquisition while the bulls continue to push up the eastern conference standings. either way, i wish the best for jimmer, and i hope he can establish a journeyman career of sorts in the nba, but i still remain skeptical of his utility at large. i'll be curious to see where he lands in the offseason...
 
HndsmCelt said:
Why do I get the feeling I am watching the pre-season for Summer League?
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Absolutely!! But seems we might be forgetting about the "leading the pack" analytics the new Kings FO is apparently using. They will always see things in a player we fans don't and in rebuilding they need to look at as many prospects as possible, just like in summer league.

Perhaps the most enjoyable element of summer league is that everyone playing, except for signed draft choices, is available. So in one day to watch 5 games for $25 brings more than a hundred players on the court to show their stuff. Thats why its not good to go to the first game as too many of them are like overwound toys trying to show "their stuff" at 115% beyond reality. cruzdude and bajaden will again be there to try to sort thru the chaff.
 
CruzDude said:
Absolutely!! But seems we might be forgetting about the "leading the pack" analytics the new Kings FO is apparently using. They will always see things in a player we fans don't and in rebuilding they need to look at as many prospects as possible, just like in summer league.

Perhaps the most enjoyable element of summer league is that everyone playing, except for signed draft choices, is available. So in one day to watch 5 games for $25 brings more than a hundred players on the court to show their stuff. Thats why its not good to go to the first game as too many of them are like overwound toys trying to show "their stuff" at 115% beyond reality. cruzdude and bajaden will again be there to try to sort thru the chaff.
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Man that sounds like so much fun I would love to do that one day.
 
upinsmoke said:
Man that sounds like so much fun I would love to do that one day.
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I believe, Summer League games will be available online just like last year, so you can watch every minute of these pick-up games :p, though seeing players on the bench, their demeanor and interaction with other players and coaches is something, only presence in the gym can provide.
 
Gilles said:
I believe, Summer League games will be available online just like last year, so you can watch every minute of these pick-up games :p, though seeing players on the bench, their demeanor and interaction with other players and coaches is something, only presence in the gym can provide.
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To say nothing of the occasional show girls who add quite a spice to things. But the biggie is seeing the hall-of-famers, coaches, GM's and other NBA'ers there as well looking at the talent.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
This move is not about finding a diamond in the rough. This is about finding Ray McCallum some rest time during the games.

I guess it was a good thing that we let Jimmer go to a team that needed him. His playing time has gone up from 11.3 minutes/game here to 4.2 minutes/game in Chicago. Also, those 16 DNPs in 57 games here (28%) clearly were not indicative of his value to Chicago, who has given him 10 DNPs in 15 games (67%). (How's that grass looking now?)
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May I ask why on earth you are even bringing up Jimmer Fredette? What does Jimmer have anything to do with my post/ me?

Edit: I might have misinterpreted your sentiment here - guess what you're getting at is that it would help if we had an extra guard on our roster right now, and that letting him go didn't do him any good?

But besides that, I'll agree with your point abotu getting Ray a temporary sub. What I was getting at was this larger trend of signing guys which started with Orlando Johnson, and then Royce White and so on.
 
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pshn80 said:
I guess it was a big mistake?

Boy, are we down on ....... everything? And good morning to you.
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Wait, so you're saying that I should be excited that we gave a no-name player a 10 day contract? I think you're the one who's down on everything here. All I said was this whole ... series of random signings that started Orlando Johnson really haven't served/ and are very unlikely to serve any purpose. I'll buy Capt's argument that this case specifically was to give Ray some rest time. But like I said, it's about the bigger trend of Johnson, White, Reed etc. As Brick has duly noted, it's basically open tryouts. And all I'm saying is that the people we're trying out really aren't likely to be part of our team going forward. Sure, there's absolutely no downside while there is a tiny possibility of upside. Oh, other than just giving them money of course, but hey it's not your money so it's all good right?

How about you actually point out what exactly is so wrong or pessimistic about my original post before you get your panties in a bunch.
 
mac said:
Wait, so you're saying that I should be excited that we gave a no-name player a 10 day contract? I think you're the one who's down on everything here. All I said was this whole ... series of random signings that started Orlando Johnson really haven't served/ and are very unlikely to serve any purpose. I'll buy Capt's argument that this case specifically was to give Ray some rest time. But like I said, it's about the bigger trend of Johnson, White, Reed etc. As Brick has duly noted, it's basically open tryouts. And all I'm saying is that the people we're trying out really aren't likely to be part of our team going forward. Sure, there's absolutely no downside while there is a tiny possibility of upside. Oh, other than just giving them money of course, but hey it's not your money so it's all good right?

How about you actually point out what exactly is so wrong or pessimistic about my original post before you get your panties in a bunch.
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Good post. I will admit that you took my heat after I had read a series of quasi negative posts about a process that didn't deserve it in my estimation. Especially this last 10-dayer where we get someone else to play a few minutes at the 2. Besides I enjoy reading our players' bios.
 
mac said:
May I ask why on earth you are even bringing up Jimmer Fredette? What does Jimmer have anything to do with my post/ me?

Edit: I might have misinterpreted your sentiment here - guess what you're getting at is that it would help if we had an extra guard on our roster right now, and that letting him go didn't do him any good?

But besides that, I'll agree with your point abotu getting Ray a temporary sub. What I was getting at was this larger trend of signing guys which started with Orlando Johnson, and then Royce White and so on.
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Yeah, that was my point. A bit of a non-sequitur, but we probably wouldn't be scrounging the waiver wire for a backup PG right now if we hadn't given Jimmer his release...and despite our "best intentions" when we did it, that release hasn't really worked out for Jimmer in terms of playing time. Sorry about piggybacking my thoughts without being a bit more explanatory as to why, it all made sense in my head!

I guess Terrence Williams comes to mind as another recent mid-season signee, but we certainly have had our share this year.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
This move is not about finding a diamond in the rough. This is about finding Ray McCallum some rest time during the games.

I guess it was a good thing that we let Jimmer go to a team that needed him. His playing time has gone up from 11.3 minutes/game here to 4.2 minutes/game in Chicago. Also, those 16 DNPs in 57 games here (28%) clearly were not indicative of his value to Chicago, who has given him 10 DNPs in 15 games (67%). (How's that grass looking now?)
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Jimmers chance came as a king. Ray is taking it. But Jimmer is now on the bulls bench instead of getting ray's minutes. Hard to see how we did jimmer any favors. Also hard to see how jimmer or his agent did himself any favors going to such a solid team. Needed to go somewhere he could get minutes. Otherwise what was the point?

We kinda need a backup guard right now.

Ray has played 45 mpg the last 4. Jimmer has played 22 minutes with the bulls. Total.

Edit:like cap'n, I couldn't find a better place to mention this.
 
Chubbs said:
Jimmers chance came as a king. Ray is taking it. But Jimmer is now on the bulls bench instead of getting ray's minutes. Hard to see how we did jimmer any favors. Also hard to see how jimmer or his agent did himself any favors going to such a solid team. Needed to go somewhere he could get minutes. Otherwise what was the point?

We kinda need a backup guard right now.

Ray has played 45 mpg the last 4. Jimmer has played 22 minutes with the bulls. Total.

Edit:like cap'n, I couldn't find a better place to mention this.
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That's not true though. The FO openly made it known that Ray was going to get minutes, not Jimmer. Barring ITs injury it was likely that Jimmer wouldn't have gotten any minutes. Ray isn't getting minutes because we let Jimmer go. Jimmer was let go because we wanted to give Ray minutes.
 
For the short burst he had I really liked his energy he kind of remind's me of a skinny Jared Bayless (not sure about the shooting) how he moves and the athletic ability, at least he went all out when he was out and gave himself some sort of chance to impact the game.
 
mac said:
That's not true though. The FO openly made it known that Ray was going to get minutes, not Jimmer. Barring ITs injury it was likely that Jimmer wouldn't have gotten any minutes. Ray isn't getting minutes because we let Jimmer go. Jimmer was let go because we wanted to give Ray minutes.
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Just saying, the idea that we let Jimmer go as some kind of favor to Jimmer rings false. There was a lot of talk around here about that.

We wanted to give ray minutes. Not EVERY minute. Jimmer would be playing more here than Chicago.
 
Chubbs said:
Just saying, the idea that we let Jimmer go as some kind of favor to Jimmer rings false. There was a lot of talk around here about that.
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But of course we let him go as a favor to Jimmer. After we made it clear that we were going to prioritize Ray's minutes over Jimmer's for the remainder of the season, Jimmer was our third-string PG. Basically every team has a third-string PG and the reason is what we've seen here in the past week or two - if you only have two PGs and one of them gets injured, you're scrambling. I have no doubt at all we would have been perfectly happy to hold on to Jimmer and keep him as our third-string PG (one who knew the system Malone was running) for the remainder. But Jimmer didn't want that and he requested an opportunity to find more minutes. We had to forgo having a third-string PG in order to help Jimmer try to find minutes elsewhere. That's a favor, through and through.
 
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