Welcome back Justin Williams!
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Williams averaged 12.1 points, 12.3 rebounds, and 3.1 blocks per game for the Dakota Wizards this season. The Kings roster sat at 14 players before the signing, so it will not be necessary for them to cut somebody for roster purposes. Williams will be in uniform on Thursday when Sacramento hosts the Los Angeles
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Mayhap -- he might be on the roster, but actually in uniform for the game? Guess that just depends what our plans are here. Since we have enough healthy bodies -- and Mo and Pot don't qualify as much more than bodies, do we move him up the food chain above them even with no practice? And then he would still only be #13, so do we deactivate Hart or Price as well (Douby presumably being safe now)? And that still only gets him to #12 Then to actually get meaningful minutes he has to be advanced up into the rotation, likely ahead of either Brad, Reef, KT or Corliss.
I of course say why not? Go for it. But that's a lot of moving up for a guy signed to a 10 day just this morning.
I dont know if the point was made in this thread, but Justin Williams fits into our zone defense scheme that we are playing more and more...
I think that was a a factor in recalling him too; besides Mo Taylor being a total waste of space, you need a shot blocker in a zone defense because of the lanes to the basket that are open with that kind of defense....
plus if you put 4 scorers out there including Douby, Bibby, Martin, whoever...you don't need any scoring from J-Will anyways besides put back jammers and alley oop throw-downs....
K9 has zero offensive skills anyways, besides occassional miracle half-hook so playing him in place of k9 is not exactly a serious downgrade in terms of offense....
welcome aboard Justin!!!!!
I think that was a a factor in recalling him too; besides Mo Taylor being a total waste of space, you need a shot blocker in a zone defense because of the lanes to the basket that are open with that kind of defense....
plus if you put 4 scorers out there including Douby, Bibby, Martin, whoever...you don't need any scoring from J-Will anyways besides put back jammers and alley oop throw-downs....
K9 has zero offensive skills anyways, besides occassional miracle half-hook so playing him in place of k9 is not exactly a serious downgrade in terms of offense....
welcome aboard Justin!!!!!
Aside from a few over-the-top suggestions like this,
...reasoned evaluations make him out to be, at best, a Melvin Ely, or a more athletic (and less stoned) Keon Clark, and at worst a Maceo Baston. But every time he has gone from one level to the next, he has clearly met the challenge (his 11/11 5blk in a fairly weak college conference was better than his JC stats, and his 12/12 3blk led the NBA DL in both rebounds and blocks).
But the fact is, that I could get pretty excited about even a 22 year old Maceo Baston right now. When you're missing a leg, it's all well and fine to talk about some future cloning breakthrough which might make it possible to grow a new one, but after discussing that possibility for months or years, with no breakthroughs on the horizon, even a bargain basement prosthesis is going to start looking really good.
The Kings are a team which is missing a leg. Justin may not be "one nappy fro away from being the next Ben Wallace," but I'm tired of watching this team stuck sitting on its butt. Just seeing them clumsily limp around a little would be enough to make me happy.
And then there's the symbolic value -- this shows that GP is willing to get us the big that we need, even if he's not a shooter, and that he's willing to invest in a youth movement, even if only on a shoestring budget. I find both of these things encouraging. Our current batch of vets don't show much sign of rings in their future, so we may as well start looking at who goes well with Martin/Price/Douby. And Justin Williams does that, very nicely.
...reasoned evaluations make him out to be, at best, a Melvin Ely, or a more athletic (and less stoned) Keon Clark, and at worst a Maceo Baston. But every time he has gone from one level to the next, he has clearly met the challenge (his 11/11 5blk in a fairly weak college conference was better than his JC stats, and his 12/12 3blk led the NBA DL in both rebounds and blocks).
But the fact is, that I could get pretty excited about even a 22 year old Maceo Baston right now. When you're missing a leg, it's all well and fine to talk about some future cloning breakthrough which might make it possible to grow a new one, but after discussing that possibility for months or years, with no breakthroughs on the horizon, even a bargain basement prosthesis is going to start looking really good.
The Kings are a team which is missing a leg. Justin may not be "one nappy fro away from being the next Ben Wallace," but I'm tired of watching this team stuck sitting on its butt. Just seeing them clumsily limp around a little would be enough to make me happy.
And then there's the symbolic value -- this shows that GP is willing to get us the big that we need, even if he's not a shooter, and that he's willing to invest in a youth movement, even if only on a shoestring budget. I find both of these things encouraging. Our current batch of vets don't show much sign of rings in their future, so we may as well start looking at who goes well with Martin/Price/Douby. And Justin Williams does that, very nicely.
The Kings two block leaders this year are Ron Artest and our backup swingman (Salmons). 
Add to that the fact that the Kings haven't made a youth + size move in years and you have a lot of Kings fans that are excited about a potential role player like JW...and for good reason.
Add to that the fact that the Kings haven't made a youth + size move in years and you have a lot of Kings fans that are excited about a potential role player like JW...and for good reason.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbablocks&league=nba&sort=blks&season=2007
It's a sad, sad state of affairs, and one which I hope I never see again.
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Welcome back J Will ! ! ! all right i agree with who ever said GP is showing that hes willing to add someone with out a jumper... Williams is going to be like Big Ben... that is.... on the court for one reason... REB and BLKS.... I think that even being skinny hes quick and will use that to at the very least bother or turn away the quick guards that burn by ours...
THIS IS A GREAT PICK UP AND A LOW RISK MOVE THAT HAS A CHANCE TO PAY OFF BIG DOWN THE LINE... it also shows that we are in a rebuilding for the future stage instead of a quick fix sign Mo Taylor mode... GREAT NEWS... Mo Taylor Peace out !
THIS IS A GREAT PICK UP AND A LOW RISK MOVE THAT HAS A CHANCE TO PAY OFF BIG DOWN THE LINE... it also shows that we are in a rebuilding for the future stage instead of a quick fix sign Mo Taylor mode... GREAT NEWS... Mo Taylor Peace out !
Good move Petrie! I think that Justin will probably see some playing time in the first few games simply because the staff needs to assess whether or not he is worth keeping around. And yes, this is great news that we have a good core of young talent developing.
Martin, Garcia, Price, Douby, and Williams (hopefully)
Regardless, 12, 12, and 3 even in the NBDL is still impressive
Martin, Garcia, Price, Douby, and Williams (hopefully)
Regardless, 12, 12, and 3 even in the NBDL is still impressive
Brick, I am surprised that you are not more positive about this move. We both know that he will not see much PT, but he will be practicing with the Kings. He has potential to be everything (maybe not everything) that we need in time. IMO this shows that GP and the Malloofs are willing to somehow address the holes. As well as seriously hinting at a realistic rebuild with focus on the future and not the present.
I am really excited about this move, but that does show how boring this team is right now.
I am really excited about this move, but that does show how boring this team is right now.
1) I like the move, as mentioend we never should have cut him
2) I am realistic about the move, a key survival skill here. Kid was undrafted for a reason. Cut for a reason. In the NBDL for a reason. Not picked up by another team before us for a reason. Something there, but not clear he'll even get a shot to display it, let alone be an impact guy.
3) Muss and Petrie cut this kid just a few months ago. So neither party deserves much credit for being forced to admit they ****ed up a few months later. Nor am I exactly swimming in confidence that 60 days after cutting a kid outright and not even retaining his rights, that we have suddenly decided that this is a major piece signalling a new directionf or the team.
2) I am realistic about the move, a key survival skill here. Kid was undrafted for a reason. Cut for a reason. In the NBDL for a reason. Not picked up by another team before us for a reason. Something there, but not clear he'll even get a shot to display it, let alone be an impact guy.
3) Muss and Petrie cut this kid just a few months ago. So neither party deserves much credit for being forced to admit they ****ed up a few months later. Nor am I exactly swimming in confidence that 60 days after cutting a kid outright and not even retaining his rights, that we have suddenly decided that this is a major piece signalling a new directionf or the team.
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allright this this how all true fans should judge giving a kid a chance over Mo Taylor ? i know its not a huge signing and he might not pan out but. Was Big Ben drafted ? what bout Brad Miller ?
Kevin Martin is a stud and it took him 2 years to pull it together.this Williams kid could be a good investment say 2 or 3 years down the line, with some added bulk and PT. this could be a great signal that GP is willing to try improving the defense by adding defensive players. Williams if he stays could be a fun little side plot to a whatever season.
Kevin Martin is a stud and it took him 2 years to pull it together.this Williams kid could be a good investment say 2 or 3 years down the line, with some added bulk and PT. this could be a great signal that GP is willing to try improving the defense by adding defensive players. Williams if he stays could be a fun little side plot to a whatever season.
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I think it is a good move too, but it could be the precursor to something else brewing. Possibly a trade sending 2-3 players away for 1 which would weaken the numbers during practice. (But that is a subject for another thread) My guess is that Justin is being brought in primarily for practice sessions. Whatever the reason, I am very happy that Williams is coming back, if only for 10 days at a time.
If he works out I am very excited about our future prospects.
If he works out I am very excited about our future prospects.
Well Mo and Pot sure aren't getting any court time and neither is quick, a rebounder or a blocker. Neither is Corliss but he brings other assets. So lets see what happens. I think he gets a minute or two at the end of the 1st and 3rd then we go from there if he is not intimidated. Who knows how much he has matured in 12 games in D-league. Lets see what happens and how he looks in limited early minutes.
Could be a precursor; that certainly came to mind. But after watching the win over the Knicks, there's an equal chance that it was the realization that the Kings simply don't have enough big bodies (that is to say, big bodies who do more than convert oxygen to carbon dioxide).
Good luck to the young fella, but don't pin too many hopes on him. If he contributes at all, it's icing on the cake.
Good luck to the young fella, but don't pin too many hopes on him. If he contributes at all, it's icing on the cake.
they cut him because of the salary cap reasons...
Maloofs just finished talking about how they wouldnt care if the Kings went over the cap, but as long as it was helping the team....which was a load of BS because they kept pot and if they really wanted to buy him out and how money was not a problem then they would. Amundson didnt have a shot because he was a complete liability on the offensive end. Williams actually looked good in the time he was given on the floor.
Maloofs just finished talking about how they wouldnt care if the Kings went over the cap, but as long as it was helping the team....which was a load of BS because they kept pot and if they really wanted to buy him out and how money was not a problem then they would. Amundson didnt have a shot because he was a complete liability on the offensive end. Williams actually looked good in the time he was given on the floor.
I'm so happy to see us giving the kid another chance. This is only a 10 day contract, but he has a chance to playing time and show he belongs in the NBA. Everyone knows how bad we are at shot blocking and rebounding and that's what this kid brings do so I really think he'll stick this time. I really feel that besides Mo Taylor and Pot giving us nothing, K9's days could be numbered as JWill2 could play 4 with his athletism. If he does good, I could see Williams being a good compliment to Miller and make up for what Miller doesn't give you.
We will probably have to keep Pot based on the $3.6M he makes, but Mo Taylor we are paying like $1M I believe so I really think he is gone if JWill2 doesn't totally suck which I don't think he will. He really just needs to study the game and remember his assignments/plays, I think that more than anything was the reason he was cut initially. All in all it is exciting we have a young big and I really hope he sticks this time, with Price, Douby, Martin, and Cisco...we have a nice young base to build from. Also Salmons signed for 5 years and being pretty young and being so versatile is great. I'm hopeful!!!
We will probably have to keep Pot based on the $3.6M he makes, but Mo Taylor we are paying like $1M I believe so I really think he is gone if JWill2 doesn't totally suck which I don't think he will. He really just needs to study the game and remember his assignments/plays, I think that more than anything was the reason he was cut initially. All in all it is exciting we have a young big and I really hope he sticks this time, with Price, Douby, Martin, and Cisco...we have a nice young base to build from. Also Salmons signed for 5 years and being pretty young and being so versatile is great. I'm hopeful!!!