Webber, O'Brien meet to clear air over

[love_them_kings]

So it's NOT Webber's fault, but it is his fault and he'll just have to deal with it?

I have a headache.

yeah, that quote made NO sense. But then, neither does AI claiming he wants Webb to do well but then refusing to include him in the offense.


okay.. I'm editing because I reread the quote in the article and I think I made sense of it. Maybe AI is saying that WEBBER is blaming it on the team instead of taking the blame, and that Webber just needs to deal with the problem? It makes more sense that way, but if that's how it was meant then Webb and AI have even bigger problems than we've seen so far.

 

[EmKingsFan4]

On Chris Webber adjusting to the Sixers style
“He still has a lot of the same freedom that he had in Sacramento. We just have a few things that we do differently than they did, but we have to hurry up and put this thing together and gel quick because time is running out.”

Quote by Rodney Rogers after the game...my thought is..."What, are you kidding me??"

 

[love_them_kings]

Quote by Rodney Rogers after the game...my thought is..."What, are you kidding me??"

the only true part of that quote is that time is running out. The 76ers need to figure it out & fast or they're going to have the whole summer to think about why it didn't work.

lol... yeah, Webb has basically the same "freedoms" as in Sac.... the freedom to ask AI's permission to touch the ball, the freedom to sit out big chunks of the game on the bench, the freedom to be booed MULTIPLE times a game, every game... sounds like a great deal to me.

 

[Vlad]

the only true part of that quote is that time is running out. The 75ers need to figure it out & fast or they're going to have the whole summer to think about why it didn't work.

lol... yeah, Webb has basically the same "freedoms" as in Sac.... the freedom to ask AI's permission to touch the ball, the freedom to sit out big chunks of the game on the bench, the freedom to be booed MULTIPLE times a game, every game... sounds like a great deal to me.

lol

 

[VF21]

Okay, so Rodney Rogers, who was traded to the 76ers THE SAME DAY as Webber, has all this advanced knowledge about the 76ers offense that Webber doesn't have?

OMG.

My headache just got sooooooo much worse.

 

[4cwebb]

LOL!!!!

And if WE (the Kings) met them in the finals that year instead of the Lakers, they would have been blown out then too! And that was under a championship-winning coach! Now they got this O'Brian fool (married to the owner's daughter, dontcha know) they are hopeless and AI is having his best year yet.

Sad, pathetic really.

I thought O'Brien was married to Jack Ramsey's daughter...or am I just that thick and Jack Ramsey is somehow involved with the Sixers' ownership group?

 

[4cwebb]

This whole thing really is emerging as one more stain on Iverson -- he has run every offensively talented player he has ever had out of town, and now it appears he can't move his game enough to allow Webb to help either. The sad thing is that for Iverson to be Iverson, he actually DOES need to have the ball in his hands most of the time. The only way his attack, attack, attack mentality is really effective is if he is game-long relentless + makes up for his low FG% by putting tremendous pressure on the defense, drawing fouls etc. But the same thing that makes him effective makes it virtually impossible for him to work with any other star level player who does anything but catch and shoot.

What has surprised me so far has been his utter unwillingness here to even TRY to alter his game a bit. I had kind of assumed that he would try to make room, that the Sixers would either be better or worse for it, and that if the team did continue to struggle that then A.I. would start hogging again. But it doesn't even look like Iverson's trying. The ball is his, and the entire rest of the team, regardless of personnel, is just there to serve him/play off him.

Worst part is that they are a very mediocre .500 team in the weakest division in the NBA, and O'Brien actually seems satisfied with the way thigs are being run.

This is late, and I know you've already received props, but I wholeheartedly agree. Each game where CWebb gets 10 or so attempts, rarely touches the ball, and just can't get into a rhythm is another step toward the indictment that AI cannot play with another "star" player, or even another offensively talented player, due to his style of play.

And you could argue that with the other guys that were brought in they all had some flaws: Larry Hughes -- too young; Stackhouse -- just not dynamic enough at that point in his career; Kukoc & Van Horn -- not quite true second options; Big Dog -- O'Brien hated him. I can't think of the other guys that have been paraded through Philly at the moment. Edit: of course, CWebb has his flaws at this point as well -- playing on one leg, and in a huge jump shooting slump over the last month or so.

But CWebb is the one guy that, prior to setting foot in Philly, had shown that he could throw down all star numbers and be a legitimate number one option on a winning team. Sure, the Kings have WAY more talent than the Sixers at this point, regardless of which team has CWebb, but it wouldn't matter if the trade had been every King to the Sixers but CWebb and every Sixer to the Kings but AI, most Kings would basically suffer in that Sixers' system, and most Sixers would have a much better chance to flourish in the Kings' system.

So in this system, CWebb puts up 20/10/4.5. Now he's averaging about 12/6/3, his minutes are down (only once b/c of foul trouble), his confidence is shot, and consequently his shot is doomed from just about anywhere on the floor.

It's not all AI's fault. Part of it is O'Brien's fault for asking a guy like CWebb to do things that he knows CWebb cannot do. But if AI can't make it work with CWebb, it's just more proof for the argument that he can't play with another quality offensive player.

 

[4cwebb]

Okay, so Rodney Rogers, who was traded to the 76ers THE SAME DAY as Webber, has all this advanced knowledge about the 76ers offense that Webber doesn't have?

OMG.

My headache just got sooooooo much worse.

Rogers is one of O'Brien's boys from the Celtics' run to the ECF a few years back.

 

[love_them_kings]

This is late, and I know you've already received props, but I wholeheartedly agree. Each game where CWebb gets 10 or so attempts, rarely touches the ball, and just can't get into a rhythm is another step toward the indictment that AI cannot play with another "star" player, or even another offensively talented player, due to his style of play.

And you could argue that with the other guys that were brought in they all had some flaws: Larry Hughes -- too young; Stackhouse -- just not dynamic enough at that point in his career; Kukoc & Van Horn -- not quite true second options; Big Dog -- O'Brien hated him. I can't think of the other guys that have been paraded through Philly at the moment. Edit: of course, CWebb has his flaws at this point as well -- playing on one leg, and in a huge jump shooting slump over the last month or so.

But CWebb is the one guy that, prior to setting foot in Philly, had shown that he could throw down all star numbers and be a legitimate number one option on a winning team. Sure, the Kings have WAY more talent than the Sixers at this point, regardless of which team has CWebb, but it wouldn't matter if the trade had been every King to the Sixers but CWebb and every Sixer to the Kings but AI, most Kings would basically suffer in that Sixers' system, and most Sixers would have a much better chance to flourish in the Kings' system.

So in this system, CWebb puts up 20/10/4.5. Now he's averaging about 12/6/3, his minutes are down (only once b/c of foul trouble), his confidence is shot, and consequently his shot is doomed from just about anywhere on the floor.

It's not all AI's fault. Part of it is O'Brien's fault for asking a guy like CWebb to do things that he knows CWebb cannot do. But if AI can't make it work with CWebb, it's just more proof for the argument that he can't play with another quality offensive player.

good post. I agree with this & with Bricklayer's assessment that AI is not even TRYING To help the situation. Very frustrating situation all around. And, I agree, something about AI/O'Brien makes that team a hard place to play and excel. They had Skinner on the IL too, and obviously the man can play.