We really dodged a bullet on this one!

[kennadog]

I support the team. Not Peja. I am a passionate fan, that loves passionate play and players. If that makes me a bad fan. Then I'm a bad fan.

I'm tired of his uninspired, stagnant, acting like he doesn't want to be here play.

That opinion I have no problem with. That's how you see Pedja and so do others. Now how would you feel about a pouting, refuse to play, demanding to be traded, going ballistic, its only about me, ruining the entire team player?

 

[DocHolliday]

That opinion I have no problem with. That's how you see Pedja and so do others. Now how would you feel about a pouting, refuse to play, demanding to be traded, going ballistic, its only about me, ruining the entire team player?

As I said in another thread. He'd be worth more in a trade than Peja. Bird has alwasy had a hard on for Peja. He see's him as someone he can take to the next level. He also want a straight up trade, and they were weary of maggette's ankle. That's the only reason this trade was going to go down.

So worse comes to worse, you deal him and maybe get Maggette. I personally think Maggette's ankle will be fine.

As I also said Jim Rome even said it could end disasterously, but if you're the Kings you do it.

 

[mcsluggo]

....the irony is i bet the kings end up with him

I think you are right

 

[LMM]

it's not over till it's over.

us acquiring artest is still *gulp* a possibility.

i seriously hope we don't get him and we clean up the mess we made with peja.

 

[VF21]

i seriously hope ... we clean up the mess we made with peja.

Sorry, LMM. I have to believe that "all the Kings' horses and all the Kings' men" won't be able to undo the damage that was done to Peja, his self-respect, etc. today.

Deplorable situation. And not a fit end to Peja's career as a King. He deserved better; the team deserved better; the fans deserved better.

 

[Warhawk]

Back in '98 the Wizards broke the cardinal rule, trading away youth and size for a smaller older player. The Kings backing out is a mistake, because you always want the guy is who Just A Baller over the guy who is Just A Shooter.

Problem is, this "baller" cannot stay on his meds or whatever the hell his problem is (he's a mental midget, IMHO) enough to stay out of trouble and on the court....

I want a baller, but I want one who is somewhat sane and wants to be here and will not blow up this organization.

 

[atxrocker]

Sorry, LMM. I have to believe that "all the Kings' horses and all the Kings' men" won't be able to undo the damage that was done to Peja, his self-respect, etc. today.

Deplorable situation. And not a fit end to Peja's career as a King. He deserved better; the team deserved better; the fans deserved better.

VF-I totally agree with you here, the damage has been done. with the way things went down I truly don't think any actions can undue them.

 

[NewMonkey]

How is it that much different? They won 27 games the year they traded for Webber

That was a 50 game, lockout-shortened season. The Kings were 27-23 and made the playoffs.

 

[kennadog]

Problem is, this "baller" cannot stay on his meds or whatever the hell his problem is (he's a mental midget, IMHO) enough to stay out of trouble and on the court....

I want a baller, but I want one who is somewhat sane and wants to be here and will not blow up this organization.

As I said in another thread, Pedja may be a wuss on the court, but Artest is a wuss in life. Artest is an emotional baby. Unfortunately, I don't think there is anyway to fix this with Pedja at this point. Its flat out a mess.

 

[Entity]

eh whats all the fuss about Peja. The trade will go down tomorrow.

 

[kennadog]

eh whats all the fuss about Peja. The trade will go down tomorrow.

whooppee.

 

[Entity]

no real loss to us either way. Artest is better than Peja and Garcia is better than Peja. No matter how it goes down Peja won't be a King next season.

 

[love_them_kings]

Sorry, LMM. I have to believe that "all the Kings' horses and all the Kings' men" won't be able to undo the damage that was done to Peja, his self-respect, etc. today.

Deplorable situation. And not a fit end to Peja's career as a King. He deserved better; the team deserved better; the fans deserved better.

yeah, the whole thing makes me sad.

 

[Entity]

to add to that. Any glimmer of hope anybody has that Peja will continue to be a king you can nix that idea. If the trade doesn't go for Artest we are kinda forced to do something now because Peja is weak as it is and this probably will mark the down hill slide of Peja. Yes he could get worse.

 

[Kev.in]

That was a 50 game, lockout-shortened season. The Kings were 27-23 and made the playoffs.

I'm not talking about after the trade. In '97-'98 they finished with a record of 27-55. In May of '98 they traded for Webber. Why would I bring up the number of Kings wins after they traded for Webber and then compare it to how the Kings are doing before potentially trading for Artest?

Come on now.

 

[atxrocker]

^^entity, thats a stretch saying Garcia is better than Peja.. he has hardly proved that yet.

 

[QueensFan]

^^entity, thats a stretch saying Garcia is better than Peja.. he has hardly proved that yet.

Not a stretch, just flat out wrong. Garcia may have played better recently but you're talking about a multi-time allstar in Peja.

 

[QueensFan]

Ron Artest can go **** himself. Look at this quote from his agent. basically: yeah Ron doesn't want to play in Sacramento because Sacramento sucks, but he will put up with it if thats his only option.

forget it.

""Ron Artest did not want to be traded to Sacramento weeks ago, and he does not want to be traded to Sacramento now. Basketball is Ron Artest's passion. In order for Ron to fully demonstrate his natural skills and abilities, to the best of his abilities, he not only must be in an environment that is conducive to his growth an development as a player, he must also ensure that his family is happy and content as well. Ron does not believe that will be the case if he were in Sacramento. Period. However, as mentioned earlier, Ron is deeply committed to the sport of basketball and desperately misses playing the game he loves. If the trade is made he will play for his new team, regardless of how he may feel about it.""

 

[love_them_kings]

Ron Artest can go **** himself. Look at this quote from his agent. basically: yeah Ron doesn't want to play in Sacramento because Sacramento sucks, but he will put up with it if thats his only option.

forget it.

""Ron Artest did not want to be traded to Sacramento weeks ago, and he does not want to be traded to Sacramento now. Basketball is Ron Artest's passion. In order for Ron to fully demonstrate his natural skills and abilities, to the best of his abilities, he not only must be in an environment that is conducive to his growth an development as a player, he must also ensure that his family is happy and content as well. Ron does not believe that will be the case if he were in Sacramento. Period. However, as mentioned earlier, Ron is deeply committed to the sport of basketball and desperately misses playing the game he loves. If the trade is made he will play for his new team, regardless of how he may feel about it.""

so we'd get a psychotic player who doesn't want to be here..... sounds like fun to me.

 

[atxrocker]

Ron Artest can go **** himself. Look at this quote from his agent. basically: yeah Ron doesn't want to play in Sacramento because Sacramento sucks, but he will put up with it if thats his only option.

forget it.

""Ron Artest did not want to be traded to Sacramento weeks ago, and he does not want to be traded to Sacramento now. Basketball is Ron Artest's passion. In order for Ron to fully demonstrate his natural skills and abilities, to the best of his abilities, he not only must be in an environment that is conducive to his growth an development as a player, he must also ensure that his family is happy and content as well. Ron does not believe that will be the case if he were in Sacramento. Period. However, as mentioned earlier, Ron is deeply committed to the sport of basketball and desperately misses playing the game he loves. If the trade is made he will play for his new team, regardless of how he may feel about it.""

that quote is obsurd. Artest is not in a position to be arrogant at this point. Reading things like this is really making me more and more ready to say screw him, if not for the whole Peja having to be traded thing.

 

[kennadog]

that quote is obsurd. Artest is not in a position to be arrogant at this point. Reading things like this is really making me more and more ready to say screw him, if not for the whole Peja having to be traded thing.

WE can still trade Pedja...it does NOT have to be for this jerk.

 

[HndsmCelt]

WE can still trade Pedja...it does NOT have to be for this jerk.

Be reasonable how many other jerks are there out there with comprable salaeries that can start at SF? We might have to settle for a guy that has some sense.

 

[kennadog]

Be reasonable how many other jerks are there out there with comprable salaeries that can start at SF? We might have to settle for a guy that has some sense.

Holy cow! Could we live with that?

 

[VF21]

Ron Artest can go **** himself. Look at this quote from his agent. basically: yeah Ron doesn't want to play in Sacramento because Sacramento sucks, but he will put up with it if thats his only option.

forget it.

""Ron Artest did not want to be traded to Sacramento weeks ago, and he does not want to be traded to Sacramento now. Basketball is Ron Artest's passion. In order for Ron to fully demonstrate his natural skills and abilities, to the best of his abilities, he not only must be in an environment that is conducive to his growth an development as a player, he must also ensure that his family is happy and content as well. Ron does not believe that will be the case if he were in Sacramento. Period. However, as mentioned earlier, Ron is deeply committed to the sport of basketball and desperately misses playing the game he loves. If the trade is made he will play for his new team, regardless of how he may feel about it.""

Somehow, I picture Ron Artest reading this, referring to himself in the third person...



On PacersDigest they have mentioned more than once that this agent is a rookie. Ron Artest is his first client. If that's the case, I certainly hope he has something else on his resume...

What a pompous arrogant statement to make.

 

[kennadog]

Somehow, I picture Ron Artest reading this, referring to himself in the third person...

ROTFL!

What a pompous arrogant statement to make.

My thought exactly...geesh.

 

[slugking50]

I know everyone is really angry about the trade falling through. I am too. I was really excited to see new blood brought in, and I thought the trade was a really great one.

But this latest development has brought me back to reality, and I now realize that we dodged a huge bullet. This proves that Artest is still a headcase. How much arrogance can one guy have, that he thinks he can hold his employer hostage to his demands. This guy is the NBA's TO. Remember what TO did to the 49ers? EXACTLY THIS. Now see what he has done?

We are MUCH better off finding this out now rather than after the deal has gone through. If Artest wouldn't be happy here, he wouldn't play hard here because he is an unprofessional whiner. He is completely unmotivated and unmoved by the fact that he is a highly paid professional - he plays hard when HE wants to play hard.

And don't say you didn't see this coming. From a guy who flat out said he would only be happy in New York, it's no surprise that he thinks he's too cool for lowly Sacramento. It's a shame for him, though, because I think that he has no idea what he's missing out on. He would have come to a place where fans would embrace him. I hope he enjoys going to New York, screwing things up, then becoming hated by all in the biggest, most unforgiving city in sports.

I love the Kings for many reasons, and one VERY important one is that they have always been a classy organization. I was skeptical when we brought in Webber and he proved to be the epitome of class. I am still skeptical of Bonzi, but things seem to be working out rather well. Still, neither of these guys have the history that Artest does. This guy is bad news. Good riddance.

Ditto! Except for being happy with Artest coming here in the first place.

 

[JJ22L]

I know everyone is really angry about the trade falling through. I am too. I was really excited to see new blood brought in, and I thought the trade was a really great one.

But this latest development has brought me back to reality, and I now realize that we dodged a huge bullet. This proves that Artest is still a headcase. How much arrogance can one guy have, that he thinks he can hold his employer hostage to his demands. This guy is the NBA's TO. Remember what TO did to the 49ers? EXACTLY THIS. Now see what he has done?

We are MUCH better off finding this out now rather than after the deal has gone through. If Artest wouldn't be happy here, he wouldn't play hard here because he is an unprofessional whiner. He is completely unmotivated and unmoved by the fact that he is a highly paid professional - he plays hard when HE wants to play hard.

And don't say you didn't see this coming. From a guy who flat out said he would only be happy in New York, it's no surprise that he thinks he's too cool for lowly Sacramento. It's a shame for him, though, because I think that he has no idea what he's missing out on. He would have come to a place where fans would embrace him. I hope he enjoys going to New York, screwing things up, then becoming hated by all in the biggest, most unforgiving city in sports.

I love the Kings for many reasons, and one VERY important one is that they have always been a classy organization. I was skeptical when we brought in Webber and he proved to be the epitome of class. I am still skeptical of Bonzi, but things seem to be working out rather well. Still, neither of these guys have the history that Artest does. This guy is bad news. Good riddance.

I really really hate to say this....because i really wanted artest for peja to go down more than anything. But you are right. Today has brought me back to reality, artest is a menace. If he works out fine, if not your screwed...not many players you can say that about. His skill is unquestioned but i no longer think hes worth it. After i heard the trade was neglected, i came into this thread telling myself i would be completely free of any previous opinion, and i would base my new opinion on the points you all bring up, and the information provided from various (hopefully correct) media sources. And ive concluded i dont want ron ron, no matter how good he is. Sacramento has always had class, whether some contest it or not. People always leave sacramento classy (besides jerome james...idiot). I'm not a peja fan by all means, but he destroyed that mans day, his relationship with our franchise, and perhaps a good portion of his life. If Ron is what the kings have to stoop to to stay from losing, i choose losing. I choose coming on here everynight and listening to everyone whine and complain about who should be traded, or who is soft, over a headcase like artest, to me its safer, and i hate to say this, but i have morals, and in the long run its better for our morale. Saying this though, i do see the trade going down, there is no way around it. IM REALLY REALLY REALLY hoping a third team gets involved and we get someone like magette, but the way Petrie, or whoever is responsible for the last 2 years, has handled our organization i wouldnt be surprised if we get stuck with artest. That's my schpelle, congratulations i have shifted bandwagons, this one at least has an air freshener...the artest one just stinks.

 

[ParniValjak]

Peja plays like he doesn't care and still has higher career rebounding numbers than Artest? We are going to get to the playoffs with yet another hit to team chemistry? Artest is not a panacea, he's a talented player with mental issues.

People think that we are one trade away from being the 2002 Kings again, but until further notice we are simply a mediocre team. Most teams in the league know exactly what thats like and we will have to learn to accept it until this team gets good again.

Word I have always been against getting Artest but I have never been against trading Pedja.

What happened today was amateurish to say the least. At least one thing has come out of it. Today showed that Pedja is not Petrie's love child and that he is expandable and Petrie is not affraid to trade his so called pet project

If, as popular opinion would have you believe that Peja is Petrie's pet, then King would never have even though about the trade let alone sign on it then to have is rescinded after they realise just how much of a nut case Artest really is.

 

[Bricklayer]

Word I have always been against getting Artest but I have never been against trading Pedja.

What happened today was amateurish to say the least. At least one thing has come out of it. Today showed that Pedja is not Petrie's love child and that he is expandable and Petrie is not affraid to trade his so called pet project

If, as popular opinion would have you believe that Peja is Petrie's pet, then King would never have even though about the trade let alone sign on it then to have is rescinded after they realise just how much of a nut case Artest really is.

Actually that's not particularly true. Today showed just how shaky the front office was on the whoole deal, reeked of desperation, and also had the Maloofs fingerprints all over it. Today did show that petrie either a) lacks the clout to protect Peja as we spiral, or b) more likely really did not want to trade him, but was backed into a corner and did what had to be done. At the first sign of trouble though, he bailed. Now we have a mess.

 

[ParniValjak]

You're crazy if you think we dodged a bullet. This is the single worst decision by the Maloofs and Petrie. This is the worst decision ever. Chris Webber said he didn't want to come here and basically flipped off the whole city before he came here.

Yus are comparing apples and oranges.