We really dodged a bullet on this one!
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I don't care about career statistics. Peja is playing like he doesn't care right now. Who cares if he grabbed a few more rebounds than Artest five years ago? YOU don't even care.
We aren't mediocre, we're BAD. This is a lottery team, a sub-.500 team. 2/3 of the league is better than the Sacramento Kings. But hey, we dodged a bullet because people like you say he wouldn't have made us as good as the '02 team.
This is the luckiest day in Kings history.
We aren't mediocre, we're BAD. This is a lottery team, a sub-.500 team. 2/3 of the league is better than the Sacramento Kings. But hey, we dodged a bullet because people like you say he wouldn't have made us as good as the '02 team.
This is the luckiest day in Kings history.
How is it that much different? They won 27 games the year they traded for Webber and had trouble selling out some of their home games towards the end of the season. This year they're on pace to win 35. After they stink it up on this roadtrip, they'll be on an even worse pace and you'll start seeing some more empty seats during games.
The only thing we have to lose is a lottery pick.
The only thing we have to lose is a lottery pick.
The Kings rep is soft, jumpshooting chokers. You act like the rest of the country is just loving the Kings. What would it matter anyway, this reputation you're imagining? When has it ever helped us? Aside from giving you a warm and fuzzy feeling, what does this reputation do?
How is a disgruntled (and physically deteriorating) Mitch different from an apathetic and possibly physically failing Peja? Looks like pretty much the same thing to me, except that Mitch played a different position and was a better all-around player.
By the way, there was nothing behind the scenes about Mitch's trade demands. For almost two years before he was finally dealt, there were rumors that he was going to LA for Eddie Jones or Elden Campbell or some combination of players. Everyone knew he wasn't happy playing on a sub-.500 team and feeling underpaid.
How is a disgruntled (and physically deteriorating) Mitch different from an apathetic and possibly physically failing Peja? Looks like pretty much the same thing to me, except that Mitch played a different position and was a better all-around player.
By the way, there was nothing behind the scenes about Mitch's trade demands. For almost two years before he was finally dealt, there were rumors that he was going to LA for Eddie Jones or Elden Campbell or some combination of players. Everyone knew he wasn't happy playing on a sub-.500 team and feeling underpaid.
You can't seriously be comparing the situations, can you? Ron Artest is currently sitting INACTIVE because he's been a major problem for the Pacers this year. Now, with a chance to resume play, he comes out and says Sacramento isn't good enough?
Please. This isn't about Webber. I'm a little disappointed that you would even bring it up.
Please. This isn't about Webber. I'm a little disappointed that you would even bring it up.
I hear plenty about the Kings reputation. Every team has a rep, the Kings are no different. Trust me, fans around the league don't admire or respect the Kings as much as you've convinced yourself that they do. Ron Artest's current team probably has a better reputation than the Kings because they always play hard even when shorthanded and have a top-notch coaching staff. So he hasn't ruined their rep, but he'd ruin ours. I don't get it, unless this is some kind of way to say something you don't really want to come out and just say about Ron Artest playing in Sacramento.
If Peja is happy playing here right now, then I'd hate to see him playing like he isn't enjoying it. Apparently Geoff Petrie feels the same way.
Back in '98 the Wizards broke the cardinal rule, trading away youth and size for a smaller older player. The Kings backing out is a mistake, because you always want the guy is who Just A Baller over the guy who is Just A Shooter.
If Peja is happy playing here right now, then I'd hate to see him playing like he isn't enjoying it. Apparently Geoff Petrie feels the same way.
Back in '98 the Wizards broke the cardinal rule, trading away youth and size for a smaller older player. The Kings backing out is a mistake, because you always want the guy is who Just A Baller over the guy who is Just A Shooter.
It's not about Webber but similar. Sorry inactive or not. We should have declined that offer as soon as he said he didn't want to come here. Be consistant or don't be. This is just a dumb decision. You dumped a soft player with a nagging back injury that WILL get worse, for a legitimate superstar. That will also bring national attention back to this city. He can shoot, defend, rebound, and he palys with heart and toughness.
But they are the same because when Webber was traded here RE Graswich said the Kings should hire a private investigator to tail Webber and the letters they printed on Sunday were full of ranting about how he was a troublemaker and was going to ruin this town. There were many more skeptics than people elated at the acquisition.
DocHolliday - It's not the National Ron Artest Association. It's not the Indiana Artests. It's not the Sacramento Artests. You can continue your diatribe about Chris Webber forever and it will not change anything. This isn't about Webber. It's about one player - Ron Artest - who has continually and repeatedly put himself above his teammates, the team owners, the fans and the league itself.
He's a cancer and needs to be removed.
He's a cancer and needs to be removed.
Oh no...
R.E. Graswich and the Sacramento Bee do not r(and did not back then) represent the prevailing opinion of a majority of Kings fans. The letters they SELECT to print have traditionally been against Webber, against Adelman and full of comments by people who are, more often than not, more interested in seeing their name in print and pointing it out to their buddies than they are in really discussing Kings basketball.
R.E. Graswich and the Sacramento Bee do not r(and did not back then) represent the prevailing opinion of a majority of Kings fans. The letters they SELECT to print have traditionally been against Webber, against Adelman and full of comments by people who are, more often than not, more interested in seeing their name in print and pointing it out to their buddies than they are in really discussing Kings basketball.
My does it feel like my words keep getting twisted. I never said this is about Chris Webber. I said this is a SIMILAR SITUATION. NOT ABOUT WEBBER. Who cares about the timing. It's the single circumstance about a player *lets leave them nameless for sake of argument* not wanting to come here after the trade was made. Period. if you can't understand that, well I don't know how else to describe it. If you don't agree, that's fine, but don't twist my words.
Another difference is that when Webber didn't want to come here, NO ONE did. It was more understandable in a way because the Kings hadn't proven that they were a viable franchise, committed to winning. Now, there really is no reason to reject a trade here unless you are more concerned about selling records than you are about winning rings. New York? PLEASE!!!
Anyways I'm done pointing out differences because it should be very obvious that the situations are patently different and nearly incomprable. If you can't see that now, I won't be able to convince you.
Anyways I'm done pointing out differences because it should be very obvious that the situations are patently different and nearly incomprable. If you can't see that now, I won't be able to convince you.
This has been my opinion all along. The guys been in anger management therapy since the age of 8!!! Why some people think he is magically going to change is beyond me. I, too, think he should be banned from the league. The absolute misery he has caused for the Pacers should not be allowed to be turned into something beneficial for Ron Artest. How many chances are people supposed to get, just becasue they happen to be very gifted? That means they can just sh*t all over teams and fans?