Was GP wrong drafting Douby over Marcus Williams?

I don't think the point is that Petrie is a perfect drafter -- no one is, and you could play the "should have drafted" game with any GM. But his track record is good enough to take a wait-and-see approach and not leap to any conclusions about Douby.

It usually takes a couple of years to start to get any idea who has really won and lost in a draft, so I think it's premature to even try to evaluate Garcia as a draft pick yet, let alone Douby. I think that Douby was, above all, a safe pick in a year when a lot of the later candidates will probably end up unemployed when their rookie contracts expire. And there's something to be said for safe picks.

I don't have anything big against the Douby pick myself, although I was disappointed by it at the time, because it didn't address either of our main needs -- solid backups for C and PG. He impressed me as more of an undersized SG, which I saw as low on the priority list. But I think he'll end up being a useful player, and hopefully we'll get some mileage out of him before his rookie contract expires.

I just had to vent a little, because for years I've been hearing about how perfect Petrie's record is, but if you count back 5 years from today, the only real positives were Kevin Martin and the lucky second chance at SAR. Artest was done over his head, and most other transactions were only semi-ineffective cost-cutting measures. During that 5 years we have missed 2 first round draft picks, as well as some second rounds, because he traded them away to get what we had 5 years ago. And I believe Atlanta's going to be eating our first round pick in one of the next two years as well -- the costs he deferred are really starting to catch up with us now, and very real team needs are going unmet.

Douby will probably be fine, but I'm not taking anything on faith anymore.
 
Yeah, he picked Peja over Nash, Ilgauskas and Jermaine O'Neal. The next year he picked Tariq Abdil-Wahad over Brevin Knight and Bobby Jackson. Next year it was Jason Williams over Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Larry Hughes, and Ricky Davis, among others. In round 2 he picked Jerome James over Cuttino Mobley and Rafer Alston. In '99 he had traded away our first round pick, but in the second round it was Ryan Robertson over Ginobili. In '00 it was Hedo over Michael Redd. In '01 it was Gerald Wallace over Gilbert Arenas, Tony Parker, Mehmet Okur, Bobby Simmons and Sam Dalembert. In '02 he passed on Carlos Boozer in order to pick Dan Dickau and trade him to Atlanta for a future 1st round pick. In '03 we got no picks at all, because he'd traded both of them away already.

Don't get me wrong, I think that Petrie has done some things awfully right over the last decade or so. But we shouldn't tell ourselves that he's infallible, because nobody is, and he's no exception.


ud rather have illgauskas then peja? thats a little irridiculous
 
It is easy to say that judging prematurely is stupid, but early returns can be telling too.

Take Darko Milac, for example:

The Pistons defended that pick time and time over when they were second guessed for not taking Dwayne Wade....Joe Dumars rationalized to no end, saying Darko was young, inexperienced, playing behind talented front-line, blah blah blah.

Now look at the draft pick....an early assessment that called it a big horrible mistake, a 100% bonehead move, and collosally stupid decision was spot on.

Or should the league wait 5 more years before any rush to judgement?

I am not ready to give up on Douby, of course, but for a guy with a rep as a shooter, his shooting has totally sucked. He's missing wide open looks, not even close. And he takes a long time to release his shot. I don't like what I see. I will say, in his defense, it's hard to get comfortable when you play limited minutes.

But draft picks who come in ready to ball right away show more upside potential in the future, and conversely guys who struggle early, show more limited upside potential.

Douby does remind me in terms of body and basic skills a little of the Maverick PG......Jason Terry 6'2" scorer, slasher type, decent handles. He should strive to intimate that type of play like Kevin Martin does Rip Hamilton.

Bottom line: The Kings touted this guy as ready to play rotation minutes this season, and he has shown no inclination in pre-season to be anywhere near ready. Jason Hart is ahead of him on the depth chart: need I say more.
 
i know its early for this conversation. but anyone can see that we need a player like williams more than douby. coming to the offseason our main goal is to get a backup PG and a backup C or shotblocking big.

i think if we were to drafted williams, our offseason would turn out better. we get a legitimate backup PG. use portion of the money left by bonzi to get a shotblocking C and a sg/sf. that would balance out our team alot more.

but all in all, i dont blame him GP. like someone said, williams didnt want to work out with us so cant blame GP for not drafting him. im not complaining or hating on douby, just think that we would be better off with williams. BUT only time will tell.
We also needed a Joe Kleine more than a Karl Malone
We needed a Jason Williams more than a Dirk Nowitski or Paul Pierce
We needed a Pervis Ellison more than a Sean Elliot or Glen Rice

AT THAT TIME...

however, taking the best player available is almost ALWAYS the best method and IMO Petrie has gotten smarter over the years and noticed when picking later in the 1st round, guards that can score tend to be the best players available. I think Kevin Martin is rounding out to be a top 10 pick in the 03 draft. I think Douby AND Garcia with both wind up in similar fashion.
 
I think we would have taken Pierce or possibly Dirk if we had picked Nash ahead of Peja. That's really the most interesting circumstance if we hadn't picked Peja but everything worked out fantastically. I'm sure getting Peja to come to the team was a huge factor in bringing Vlade here as well. And that team, championship or not was amazing to watch.

As an Arizona fan I wanted us to pick Elliot when we had the #1 pick, but even looking back his career was just above average. Pervis wasn't a bad pick as much as it was a weak draft.
 
Yeah, he picked Peja over Nash, Ilgauskas and Jermaine O'Neal. The next year he picked Tariq Abdil-Wahad over Brevin Knight and Bobby Jackson. Next year it was Jason Williams over Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Larry Hughes, and Ricky Davis, among others. In round 2 he picked Jerome James over Cuttino Mobley and Rafer Alston. In '99 he had traded away our first round pick, but in the second round it was Ryan Robertson over Ginobili. In '00 it was Hedo over Michael Redd. In '01 it was Gerald Wallace over Gilbert Arenas, Tony Parker, Mehmet Okur, Bobby Simmons and Sam Dalembert. In '02 he passed on Carlos Boozer in order to pick Dan Dickau and trade him to Atlanta for a future 1st round pick. In '03 we got no picks at all, because he'd traded both of them away already.

Don't get me wrong, I think that Petrie has done some things awfully right over the last decade or so. But we shouldn't tell ourselves that he's infallible, because nobody is, and he's no exception.



Im not even going to get into the "who was picked before who" deal, thats rediculous. Every GM has passed on what turned out to be a better player then who they picked... All im saying is that GP has been more consistant then most.


remember...

11 seasons. 9 playoffs.


Say what you want, Petrie is one of the best GM's in the game today.
 
Im not even going to get into the "who was picked before who" deal, thats rediculous. Every GM has passed on what turned out to be a better player then who they picked... All im saying is that GP has been more consistant then most.


remember...

11 seasons. 9 playoffs.


Say what you want, Petrie is one of the best GM's in the game today.

Watch yourself Merdiesel, expressing appreciation for Petrie around these parts is grounds for being called a bootlicker or worse. Pointing out Petrie's strengths and successful track record is strictly frowned upon.
 
Watch yourself Merdiesel, expressing appreciation for Petrie around these parts is grounds for being called a bootlicker or worse. Pointing out Petrie's strengths and successful track record is strictly frowned upon.



lol...

I just don't understand how people could look at Petrie that negitively after he turned our dead fanchise around. Maybe i notice it a bit more, being that i was a fan when all a Kings fan had to look forward to was if Richmond would get the scoring title or not.
 
It usually takes a couple of years to start to get any idea who has really won and lost in a draft, so I think it's premature to even try to evaluate Garcia as a draft pick yet, let alone Douby. I think that Douby was, above all, a safe pick in a year when a lot of the later candidates will probably end up unemployed when their rookie contracts expire. And there's something to be said for safe picks.

I don't have anything big against the Douby pick myself, although I was disappointed by it at the time, because it didn't address either of our main needs -- solid backups for C and PG. He impressed me as more of an undersized SG, which I saw as low on the priority list. But I think he'll end up being a useful player, and hopefully we'll get some mileage out of him before his rookie contract expires.

I just had to vent a little, because for years I've been hearing about how perfect Petrie's record is, but if you count back 5 years from today, the only real positives were Kevin Martin and the lucky second chance at SAR. Artest was done over his head, and most other transactions were only semi-ineffective cost-cutting measures. During that 5 years we have missed 2 first round draft picks, as well as some second rounds, because he traded them away to get what we had 5 years ago. And I believe Atlanta's going to be eating our first round pick in one of the next two years as well -- the costs he deferred are really starting to catch up with us now, and very real team needs are going unmet.

Douby will probably be fine, but I'm not taking anything on faith anymore.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander...if you blame Petrie for the cost-cutting measures then he deserves credit for the Artest deal even if it was done over his head...why? Because the cost cutting measures are done over his head. Look at Petrie's ability to assemble talent when given the green light. Hedo Turkoglu was the best player available when he drafted that year. He picked up Pollard off waivers. Signed Keon Clark, Jimmy Jackson, brought it a fiery Jon Barry and basically put together one of the best assembled rosters of all-time.

WHile Petrie is NOT perfect, much of his limitations stem from the restraints placed on him by the ownership group. Petrie plays by the same rules as any other GM(the CBA), but if Mark Cuban or Jerry Buss were the owners Petrie would win exec. of the year EVERY year with his shrewd manuevers. THe Maloofs are good owners, but they have their limitations which is the limiting factor on Petrie.
 
Hmmm... let me think about this one...

The same GM who drafted in past years:
  • Peja Stojakovic
  • Jason Williams
  • Hedo Turkoglu
  • Gerald Wallace
  • Kevin Martin
I think I will put a little more faith in GP after some of the great pick ups hes managed to pull off.


Don't forget about Brian Grant in '94.

Also to all those ROnnie Price haters...would somebody give him a chance! Let this kid develop! Everyone seems ready to give up on him because he's not a traditional PG and didn't come from a big school! Well, Douby is no traditional PG and just because he came from a bigger school doesn't make him better qualified than Price. Also, I'm not ready to declare that Williams is better than either player just because he went to UCONN! I love UCONN b-ball, but remember Khalid El-Amin...he was one of two highly touted PG's that played in the NAtional Championship game, and both were busts in the NBA. Like many have said before, we won't know the answer to who is better because sometimes the draft is a crapshoot! But, let's please include Price in this conversation as well because he will be a major contributor this season!
 
With the new rules, you cannot have too many shooters. Ideally, you would pair them with a PG who can penetrate and kick (Paul/Nash), but the Kings currently have a lot of money invested in a different kind of PG. I don't think that Petrie is done re-tooling though. Like Bill Simmons said, there is going to be a flurry of action as the trade deadline approaches this year, and I would not be shocked to see Bibby/Miller moved. For example, those two players would be very productive in the triangle, and Muss might like to get his hands on Bynum. But back to the draft; I always like to say that you should take a kid who you know will be able to do at least one thing REALLY well in this league. Then you know that at worst he'll stick around for a while. All kinds of potential "five-tool" players bust out (after shoddy performance on a max contract or two) while great rebounders/shooters/defenders plug along for ten years. And sure, we all knew that Rondo was going to be a great defender, but alas, that is not Petrie's style. He took the shooter instead. Oh well. . .
 
What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander...if you blame Petrie for the cost-cutting measures then he deserves credit for the Artest deal even if it was done over his head...why? Because the cost cutting measures are done over his head.
OK, fine, we'll play it your way and see how it goes. Petrie hereby gets credit for Artest and for all cost-cutting moves.
Look at Petrie's ability to assemble talent when given the green light. Hedo Turkoglu was the best player available when he drafted that year.
He was if you ignore Michael Redd, but still, nothing shameful about getting second-best. Petrie tends to do well in horrible draft years, often finding guys who are worth keeping when the options are looking pretty bleak, like Hedo ('00), KMart ('04) and Garcia ('05). In years when the draft is good, like '98 and '01, he passed on superstars to get guys management didn't consider worth keeping. But enough dwelling on the draft already, that's an area where even the greats blunder, and the lousy sometimes do well, so it's kind of pointless to agonize over very much.
He picked up Pollard off waivers. Signed Keon Clark
And promptly traded him and a second-round draft pick to Utah, in return for absolutely nothing.
Jimmy Jackson
And let him walk, too.
brought it a fiery Jon Barry
And traded him plus a first round draft pick for Mateen Cleaves!
and basically put together one of the best assembled rosters of all-time.
Then threw much of it away. Vlade cut for Ostertag -- neither contributed as players, but without Vlade keeping morale up the team started falling apart, for a total savings of a million or so. Gerald Wallace -- given away. And what did we get for Webber, whose contract expires in 2 years? KT, whose contract expires in 5. Corliss, who per minute he's played has been one of the best-paid players in NBA history. He may finally get some minutes now, before becoming a FA this summer. Skinner -- team option after this summer, traded for a seemingly worthless Potapenko whose contract also ends this summer. Webber may be well past his prime, but he still averaged 20 and 10 last year, which is miles better than KT + Corliss + Skinner/Potapenko did for us. All in return for exactly one year of significant payroll cut -- followed by a bonus 3 years of KT's contract, which more than offsets the year of savings. Christie traded for Mobley, who we got nothing for. BJax traded for Bonzi, who we got nothing for. Songaila signed, then allowed to walk. Mo Evans, same. Anthony Peeler, same. And the really good years were paid for by trading away a pile of future draft picks, which is now coming back to haunt us. So, for the draft from '01 to '06, all we have to show are Kmart, Garcia and Douby -- Wallace was squandered, and all our other draft picks that hadn't already been traded away were used on Ricky Minard, Maurice Jeffers and Corsley Edwards. Other teams have as many guys playing from our '02-'06 draft picks as we do.

While we were having a great time watching a top-notch Kings team, we didn't notice that Petrie was getting it by borrowing against the team's future. Now it's all Petrie can do to keep us a game or two above the lottery, getting guys like Mobley and Wells to try to keep us going for one more year. But now the best we can do is Salmons, and the end of draft pick debt is not yet in sight.
WHile Petrie is NOT perfect, much of his limitations stem from the restraints placed on him by the ownership group. Petrie plays by the same rules as any other GM(the CBA), but if Mark Cuban or Jerry Buss were the owners Petrie would win exec. of the year EVERY year with his shrewd manuevers. THe Maloofs are good owners, but they have their limitations which is the limiting factor on Petrie.
You just broke your own rule. You said that Petrie should get credit for Artest, along with all cost-cutting moves. So, fine, now we'll try to blame everything on the owners being too cheap.

The Clippers, Pistons and Bulls have payrolls which are, on average, over 10% lower than the Kings, and the Heat, Spurs and Suns all have payrolls which are no more than 5% higher. The Maloofs have only limited Petrie to within spitting distance of luxury tax, which is clearly sufficient to fund a serious contender or a championship team if spent wisely.

Petrie did a magnificent job of getting us from punching bag to the team of 2001-2003, but he didn't do it in a sustainable fashion. Even going 10-72 this season wouldn't help, because he already traded that draft pick away to get us Mateen Cleaves. I'd like to think that he'd perform a miracle with the FA market this summer when Corliss, Potapenko, Price, Taylor and Hart expire, but pretty much everyone has done what reasonable managers should do, and signed their best guys to extensions, so I'm not sure what he's going to spend it on. Five replacement benchwarmers, I suppose.
 
Whoa whoa -- backup a sec. THIS is the season that we don't have a #1 due to Mateen? :eek: I mean, holy crap. Best draft in...well one of the best ever supposedly. And what could be our best draft position (i.e. fewest wins) in a decade, and we have no pick?? That really pisses me off if that's true. Nothing to be done, but that really hurts. If our pick is in the teens, the theory this year is that there's almost guaranteed to be a star level player still on the board.
 
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OK, fine, we'll play it your way and see how it goes. Petrie hereby gets credit for Artest and for all cost-cutting moves.

He was if you ignore Michael Redd, but still, nothing shameful about getting second-best. Petrie tends to do well in horrible draft years, often finding guys who are worth keeping when the options are looking pretty bleak, like Hedo ('00), KMart ('04) and Garcia ('05). In years when the draft is good, like '98 and '01, he passed on superstars to get guys management didn't consider worth keeping. But enough dwelling on the draft already, that's an area where even the greats blunder, and the lousy sometimes do well, so it's kind of pointless to agonize over very much.

And promptly traded him and a second-round draft pick to Utah, in return for absolutely nothing.

And let him walk, too.

And traded him plus a first round draft pick for Mateen Cleaves!

Then threw much of it away. Vlade cut for Ostertag -- neither contributed as players, but without Vlade keeping morale up the team started falling apart, for a total savings of a million or so. Gerald Wallace -- given away. And what did we get for Webber, whose contract expires in 2 years? KT, whose contract expires in 5. Corliss, who per minute he's played has been one of the best-paid players in NBA history. He may finally get some minutes now, before becoming a FA this summer. Skinner -- team option after this summer, traded for a seemingly worthless Potapenko whose contract also ends this summer. Webber may be well past his prime, but he still averaged 20 and 10 last year, which is miles better than KT + Corliss + Skinner/Potapenko did for us. All in return for exactly one year of significant payroll cut -- followed by a bonus 3 years of KT's contract, which more than offsets the year of savings. Christie traded for Mobley, who we got nothing for. BJax traded for Bonzi, who we got nothing for. Songaila signed, then allowed to walk. Mo Evans, same. Anthony Peeler, same. And the really good years were paid for by trading away a pile of future draft picks, which is now coming back to haunt us. So, for the draft from '01 to '06, all we have to show are Kmart, Garcia and Douby -- Wallace was squandered, and all our other draft picks that hadn't already been traded away were used on Ricky Minard, Maurice Jeffers and Corsley Edwards. Other teams have as many guys playing from our '02-'06 draft picks as we do.

While we were having a great time watching a top-notch Kings team, we didn't notice that Petrie was getting it by borrowing against the team's future. Now it's all Petrie can do to keep us a game or two above the lottery, getting guys like Mobley and Wells to try to keep us going for one more year. But now the best we can do is Salmons, and the end of draft pick debt is not yet in sight.

You just broke your own rule. You said that Petrie should get credit for Artest, along with all cost-cutting moves. So, fine, now we'll try to blame everything on the owners being too cheap.

The Clippers, Pistons and Bulls have payrolls which are, on average, over 10% lower than the Kings, and the Heat, Spurs and Suns all have payrolls which are no more than 5% higher. The Maloofs have only limited Petrie to within spitting distance of luxury tax, which is clearly sufficient to fund a serious contender or a championship team if spent wisely.

Petrie did a magnificent job of getting us from punching bag to the team of 2001-2003, but he didn't do it in a sustainable fashion. Even going 10-72 this season wouldn't help, because he already traded that draft pick away to get us Mateen Cleaves. I'd like to think that he'd perform a miracle with the FA market this summer when Corliss, Potapenko, Price, Taylor and Hart expire, but pretty much everyone has done what reasonable managers should do, and signed their best guys to extensions, so I'm not sure what he's going to spend it on. Five replacement benchwarmers, I suppose.


Okay a few mistakes there.
Jon Barry was traded for financial reasons
Jimmy Jackson was too(but it was really for Hedo's development at the time)
Keon Clark was VERY productive for us that year, he's just a pot-smoking quack.
While I never said Petrie deserved all the credit/all the blame, I DID say that it needs to go both ways. The Maloofs are largely responsible for what happens. Petrie is the one that pulls the trigger to actually make things happen.

To counter nearly ALL your points I just have to flip the coin and say instead of Petrie getting the credit, the Maloofs get the credit. Then everything you just said is flipped onto the maloofs.

While the two parties GM/owners work together as a team it's unfair to criticize the GM for moves he HAD to make for financial reasons just as it's unfair to an owner(Steve Belkin, James Dolan come to mind) to be judged inept because his GM made pee-poor decisions. That was my point, I wasn't saying Petrie deserved all the credit for Ron Artest deal, I wanted top point out that it's a two way street with credit/blame.

And while I'm not saying you're wrong, the one problem with your post is you use the lens of 20/20 hindsight to prove the ineptness of Petrie. If he had that benefit, I'm sure he'd do things differently here. Noone here is saying Petrie is perfect or anything, what we're saying is, he's better than most his peers and that's why the Kings have been in the playoffs 8 straight years.
 
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Whoa whoa -- backup a sec. THIS is the season that we don't have a #1 due to Mateen? :eek: I mean, holy crap. Best draft in...well one of the best ever supposedly. And what could be our best draft position (i.e. fewest wins) in a decade, and we have no pick?? That really pisses me off if that's true. Nothing to be done, but that really hurts. If our pick is in the teens, the theory this year is that there's almost guaranteed to be a star level player still on the board.

Dear lord, I think this is actually true. The Mateen trade was for a 2005-2008 first round pick, so Detroit will surely take it this offseason. This is the price of saving a few bucks by not paying Jon Barry. Ugh.
 
Dear lord, I think this is actually true. The Mateen trade was for a 2005-2008 first round pick, so Detroit will surely take it this offseason. This is the price of saving a few bucks by not paying Jon Barry. Ugh.

I believe that Detroit may have traded the pick to Atlanta a while ago, not that it's any consolation to us.
 
Actually, I think this was the pick the Kings received back in the Dan Dickau trade. According to draftexpress.com the Kings have their pick this year.

http://draftexpress.com/transactions.php#30

Um, WHEW

I really hope that I am mistaken, it can get pretty ugly trying to track these things as they get traded around. I had the Dickau trade resolved a few years ago: "Sacramento receives Detroit's first round pick via Atlanta (2003 or 2004, Detroit's option)(Dickau 06/26/02)(Turkcan) via Houston (Terence Morris 06/27/01)" But NBA sleight-of-hand may have somehow made 2003/2004 happen in 2007.
 
Anybody questioning Geoff Petrie's decision to draft Quincy Douby needs to think about Kevin Martin and Gerald Wallace. Both those players received next to no playing time during the first 1 1/2 seasons of their careers and have since developed into highly productive players.
 
Martin was a steal, certainly, but don't you think that Petrie would have held onto Gerald Wallace just a little longer if he had any idea he would one day become the player he is now? He left him unprotected in an expansion draft -- not exactly the "valuable commodity" treatment. And I wouldn't be all that surprised if something similar were to happen with Justin Williams. But then it's not really surprising either since neither one of them can shoot.
 
Martin was a steal, certainly, but don't you think that Petrie would have held onto Gerald Wallace just a little longer if he had any idea he would one day become the player he is now? He left him unprotected in an expansion draft -- not exactly the "valuable commodity" treatment. And I wouldn't be all that surprised if something similar were to happen with Justin Williams. But then it's not really surprising either since neither one of them can shoot.

Like others have said.....we should have not protected Webber and dared Charlotte to take Webber's huge salary. I totally wish we had Wallace still, he was to athletic and full of potential to lose. Him and Martin would kill other teams with their quickness and athletism. We would be a great fast break team and alloy oop team, nice highlight real for sure. :D

I don't know about Douby, the guy can shoot, but he is an undersized SG and we desperatly needed a backup PG. So now we are trying to get him to be a combo guard when we could of had a good PG in Williams or Rondo. Well I guess if Williams would have tried out with us, we would have had a good chance of choosing him. It will take a few years to see how Douby develops, but I do like GP's track record for picking talent late in the draft, Martin has been a absolute steal and is looking to be a premier SG if he keeps up lighting the board like he is doing early on.
 
Like others have said.....we should have not protected Webber and dared Charlotte to take Webber's huge salary.

No.

That's not done, pretty much ever, but anyone. And for good reason. 1) they may take your dare, steal the guy who has been ytour franchise player for nothing, and leave your fanbase and teamn in complete shock. You look like schmucks. 2) They may not take him, and then you have to deal wiht the fallout with that player when he comes back knowing the chicken**** little maneuver you tried to pull dangling him out there. Bad cess all around.

The mistake was not in dangling Webber or Doug. The mistake was, for the 100th time, btuchering the Anthony Peeler contract. Taht remains to this day perhaps the single most obvious flat out stupid mistake that Geoff has made. Absolutely no excuse for it. None. We knew the expansion draft was coming, could look down our bench and count the bodies we needed to protect, and then failed to take the obvious step of signing a 9th man (whyich is what he was supposed to be) to a full 2 yr deal to be used as expansion draft fodder. Instead we give the guy an option to opt out, which he uses, and which ends up really costing us. If Peeler for some reason wouldn't take a full 2 yr, then you sign somebody else to one. I called that way back while that year was still going on. Perfectly obvious to any layman. No idea why it was not to Geoff. All I can imagine is that his own acquisition, Darius, surprised him by making himself a protectable piece. But it was still crappy planning.
 
No.

That's not done, pretty much ever, but anyone. And for good reason. 1) they may take your dare, steal the guy who has been ytour franchise player for nothing, and leave your fanbase and teamn in complete shock. You look like schmucks. 2) They may not take him, and then you have to deal wiht the fallout with that player when he comes back knowing the chicken**** little maneuver you tried to pull dangling him out there. Bad cess all around.

The mistake was not in dangling Webber or Doug. The mistake was, for the 100th time, btuchering the Anthony Peeler contract. Taht remains to this day perhaps the single most obvious flat out stupid mistake that Geoff has made. Absolutely no excuse for it. None. We knew the expansion draft was coming, could look down our bench and count the bodies we needed to protect, and then failed to take the obvious step of signing a 9th man (whyich is what he was supposed to be) to a full 2 yr deal to be used as expansion draft fodder. Instead we give the guy an option to opt out, which he uses, and which ends up really costing us. If Peeler for some reason wouldn't take a full 2 yr, then you sign somebody else to one. I called that way back while that year was still going on. Perfectly obvious to any layman. No idea why it was not to Geoff. All I can imagine is that his own acquisition, Darius, surprised him by making himself a protectable piece. But it was still crappy planning.

Ok, here you go again with this nonsense that this was the worst move Geoff ever made etx. etc. etc..

1) Peeler was not a 9th man, he was a key member of the bench on a team that had actual championship aspirations, a team that was a game tying-three away from the Western Conference Finals and might have won had Peeler not socked KG in Game 6.

2) You don't take the lesser bench player in a year you are hoping to contend in the hopes that maybe Gerald Wallace would pan out three years in the future. It was the last year the Kings had a shot at the title. The last real run with Webber and Divac. Everyone could see the window closing. You don't blow that chance on your 12th man.

3) Gerald Wallace was not going to get the time he needed to develop while the Kings were a serious team. He needed Charlotte more than the Kings needed him.

4) Peeler wanted a one year deal. Nothing to be done.

Look, it sucks that we lost Gerald Wallace for nothing, but it was not the colossal blunder you make it out to be.
 
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Man how did this topic change so much? Started off talking about how petrie might have made a mistake taking douby over marcus... now talking about Petrie's older draft moves and how they effected the team and why they are gone...
 
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