If you’re talking about Bane, he’s way, way more proven than Kuminga. Plays both sides of the ball. Has carried Memphis when Morant has been out. AND, AND the Magic are poised to make a run at Eastern finals and Finals.
We aren’t anywhere near this.
[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports
We aren’t anywhere near this.
He was also under contract with 4 more years on it and didn't have to deal with BYC nonsense and helped Orlando get off their own bad money with a player Memphis had to buy out, which allowed Orlando to pay Franz and Paolo. And like you said, Orlando looks like a top contender in the East if they stay healthy next year and definitely shouldn't be a lottery team any time soon.
Sign and trade deals are always different and if Golden State wants to sign Kuminga to a long term deal and trade him later they are free to do so!
Kingz19
Hall of Famer
Sure, but he’s not a “star” player and has never really been close to an all star game even with Morant out for extended periods of time and an open buffet. And we are talking about 4 unprotected here. Not one for a player who has never been seriously considered as even an injury replacement all star…and likely never will be. He’s a helluva player, but I would’ve been furious if the Kings gave 4 lottery protected first rounders for him. Let alone 4 unprotected
And Magic were poised to make a multi round run last season and they barely missed the lottery.
Even if they weren’t injury prone. They arent a team that you can confidently say will be churning out late first rounders for the next half decade. At least not me. That’s another thread but I have some problems with their roster and its balance.
Now to JK…nothing about the pursuit for Kuminga is about what he has proven. It’s all based on what the Kings think he will be.
The salary. Kuminga hasn’t proven to be a $20 million+ but he’s going to get it based on the strides he’s expected to make in the role the Kings envision for him. Even the Warriors are willing to give him that based on it being viewed good value even as they aren’t sure where he fits in their roster. Because that’s where his potential and projections are.
He wouldn’t be worth Monk or even a heavily protected first based on his body of work to this point. But that’s currently being rejected like it’s a given it would be rejected.
It’s up to the FO to decide if they project Kuminga to be a future number one, or number 2 option. And I mean soon of course. As well as a two way player. If they do then I think adding an unprotected first should be easy for them.
I think the hold up is they aren’t sure yet that they’ll have to give an unprotected first for him.
But going after Kuminga based on a vision is more of the speculative moves that the Kings haven’t been making for years that left them missing out on some really good players that could’ve been had.
I think Kuminga could(probably will) prove to be much more valuable than a player like Desmond Bane is the overall point. He isn’t even close to a finished product.
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Before that deal was made the Magic were rumored to be shopping Anthony and including compensation. We aren't looking to trade Monk and picks for salary relief.
100%
Look, especially when you're the Sacramento Kings, you have to take swings at some point. Talent pretty much never walks through the door. As much as I love Domas, the fact he's very clearly one of the best players in our franchise history shows how talent deficient we've been for most of our existence.
If Kuminga were proven, we'd never be having
This conversation. The Warriors would have extended him a year ago. But this is a situation where we have SUCH a rare opportunity to buy low on a guy with tremendous upside as an offensive weapon. Maybe he never hits that level, but the Kings pretty much never even get access to a prospect like this with the capability of being a #1 or #2.
Ill say it again, these are the only real bets we should be making. Introduce potential upside on a team, for a cheap cost, that doesn't rip our future apart. Like a Brown or Garland would.
And if Kuminga does flop? You can survive it because we still have 7 FRP from now until 2031
NewArena
All-Star
How does this feel like Monte again if the deal hasn’t happened? Just cuz someone wrote down the fact that the Warriors want it to happen? Yes i bet they want a lot of things.
Section 101
All-Star
They need his salary in the $20-30 mil range to make a trade for a Gannis or someone that comes available. Otherwise, it's Butler or Draymond. To make salaries work. Which is why if he takes the QO they are screwed.
NewArena
All-Star
Both? They definitely ain’t getting monk AND Carter. I think the warriors would have accepted that by now and we better damn not
Any previous deal with Carter almost certainly included Monk for salary? I guess we don’t know for sure. But I always assumed so.
The previous deal was Monk to DET, Saric/Carter/2nds to GS.
So this has just evolved to Protected FRP in lieu of Carter/2nds, more or less. Good swap for us, imo.
coolhandluke
Starter
Kings have made a more than generous offer. They should pull the offer and walk away from the table. If the Warriors are serious, we can re-engage at a later time.
We can't foot the bill for the dysfunctionality of the Warriors. They have disrespected Kuminga at every turn. He might take the QO and when they are forced to trade him at the deadline, he can be had for a lower cost as he can decide where he goes.
We can't foot the bill for the dysfunctionality of the Warriors. They have disrespected Kuminga at every turn. He might take the QO and when they are forced to trade him at the deadline, he can be had for a lower cost as he can decide where he goes.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Bane gives you star production even if he wasn’t an all star three years of 20-5–5 shooting splits 52/39/88. Orlando has a franchise player, a Robin, a good third player, and a deep bench while making the playoffs they’re still young. We live in the lottery, relying on older players for success, and we don’t have a franchise player.
NewArena
All-Star
There has to be another way to make that happen. Ew. I don’t know why i never considered the salary which is pretty important lol ultimately, i do not wanna see Monk in those hideous colors.
serbiangoat
Starter
Bane is an All Star level player easily , he just has not been selected cause he's going up against elite of the elite and would never be voted in either. I'd be shocked if Kuminga is ever in Banes level but if he is or does better than thats a insane pick up for whoever got him, I would have traded Monk/Carter/pick for Bane but not for Kuminga.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
At the end of whatever contract he signs, he is unrestricted.
Bird rights is the issue dogging this, but if he signs the 3 year deal in the proposed sign and trade we'd have them. If he signs the offer sheet for the qualifying offer (1 year deal), he is unrestricted and only Golden State would have Bird rights, even in the event of a trade. I believe he would have an implied no trade clause over this. Same for a 2-year deal with a team option, Golden State or the other team could decline the option which would end his Bird rights. That's why he is refusing this deal.
Salary cap there are a few things in play, one is the BYC rules which mean that Golden State can only apply 50% of his salary towards what they are allowed to receive back. The receiving team must take on his full salary into theirs. This is so that teams don't skirt the salary cap by making a huge signing and then trading for that value. The team receiving a player in a S&T is capped at the first apron but we already are that due to the Schröder trade so nothing going on there for us.
serbiangoat
Starter
I don't get why the Warriors would not want Monk just on his own, he gives them an injection of athletic ability they need and dynamic scoring with a score first mentality which they also need because Butler is more of a in the flow type scorer unless he goes berserk in the playoffs.
Something is not making sense here Monk (or even Vucevic imo) gives the Warriors a better shot at winning the title and he's on a decent contract and gives them a skillset they badly need because aside from Curry no one else is scoring in massive bursts on that team. This is one of the strangest situations the Warriors can't believe Kuminga is a superstar potential and yet refusing to resign him and yet refuse to swap him for a proven guy who really helps them.
I get why they would not want DDR because of the age/contract/occupying same space as Butler but not wanting Monk is crazy when no other team is even offering anything.
Something is not making sense here Monk (or even Vucevic imo) gives the Warriors a better shot at winning the title and he's on a decent contract and gives them a skillset they badly need because aside from Curry no one else is scoring in massive bursts on that team. This is one of the strangest situations the Warriors can't believe Kuminga is a superstar potential and yet refusing to resign him and yet refuse to swap him for a proven guy who really helps them.
I get why they would not want DDR because of the age/contract/occupying same space as Butler but not wanting Monk is crazy when no other team is even offering anything.
SacKings123
G-League
It’s nice to hear a more logical side of things from the Warriors fan base as apposed to their delusional fans that believe they will get Keon and/or Keegan
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Dumb Nation
At this point I almost rather find room for B Simmons pg off the bench and put Monk back in his 6th man role. The warriors have lost the plot.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
No pick should be unprotected no matter how bad they say the draft is you never know
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Can you blame them for trying to get on the Kings stupidity? Kerr saw the Kings possibly give away a top pick in '31 for a 36 year old DeMar. The Warriors want the pick, not players. Would they even want a pick in the next two seasons? They want it when they figure the Kings are in the midst of a full on rebuild. With where Perry is heading it's 50/50 for 2 years just kind of floating around, then 2 years to stockpile in the draft, then 2-3 to build. The Warriors want the Kings head right when it's in the middle of that waste.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
When are we not in the middle of waste?! They want that pick cause it will be a goldmine when they trade it. Couldn’t even get our pick back in the Fox deal my god
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I don't know, unless Perry does start trading youth/picks/what little he has that adds to flexibility then not quite yet. The team has talent so there is still a "what if" factor. Perry also hasn't completely decimated the teams chances to have flexibility in '27 either. Although it's the little things like adding small guarantees to deals here and there like with Schroder that are death by a 1000 paper cuts if they add up just right. The Kings have been in much worse positions in the past and still might be depending on where this all heads. I was already kind resigned to the reality that this team was going to have wait out their circumstances however even I didn't see the extent of contracts like DeMar and Monk becoming temporary anchors especially this quickly if rumors are true. Monk wasn't hard to figure because Clarkson was a clear comp and the future possibility if the Kings stagnated. DeMar is a little surprising though.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Monk situation is ridiculous he is a positive player for us coming off the bench with a monk/Ellis combo is a win why on earth are we trying to trade him. He’s better than westbrick and is also younger and a fan favorite just mind boggling I’d understand if we were getting picks or a young player for him
Since when is a pick swap "giving away" a pick??
Capt did the math on it when we did the trade, most of the time theres like a 5 pick delta in that deal. Literally nothing.
And, nobody had any idea what the NBA landscape is in 2031. The Spurs could suck and we could be awesome. The teams will be entirely different in 5 years.
I'll stand by bringing in DDR talent was a good gamble. Didn't work, and cost us very little. But certainly a worthwhile talent splash
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
When you gave a team a chance to swap lunches you essentially gave away at least the chance. This puts pressure on the Kings during that time frame. That's inarguable. Depending on what happens with Sac in the next two years it puts them in a clear and dangerous path PERIOD. Now the Kings need to see this current construction blow some minds or really score in the next two drafts. Maybe a big trade can happen, probably not.
Also, just to add, obviously the Fox thing partly messed things up. Lets ask though, if the Kings saw Fox off the team by the deadline do they make that DeRozan trade? I don't think so.
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Trading a 6th man making that kind of money is always an iffy possibility. It's the same reason why looking at Holmes as a "great backup C" was a mistake. Looking around at the majority of teams caps they had nobody like Holmes making that kind of money at backup C. That was clearly a bad bet. If your team is winning and that player is a big difference it's fine, but when it's not it's not.
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