[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

[dude12]

Magic just traded 4 of them for one.

If you’re talking about Bane, he’s way, way more proven than Kuminga. Plays both sides of the ball. Has carried Memphis when Morant has been out. AND, AND the Magic are poised to make a run at Eastern finals and Finals.
We aren’t anywhere near this.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

If you’re talking about Bane, he’s way, way more proven than Kuminga. Plays both sides of the ball. Has carried Memphis when Morant has been out. AND, AND the Magic are poised to make a run at Eastern finals and Finals.
We aren’t anywhere near this.

He was also under contract with 4 more years on it and didn't have to deal with BYC nonsense and helped Orlando get off their own bad money with a player Memphis had to buy out, which allowed Orlando to pay Franz and Paolo. And like you said, Orlando looks like a top contender in the East if they stay healthy next year and definitely shouldn't be a lottery team any time soon.

Sign and trade deals are always different and if Golden State wants to sign Kuminga to a long term deal and trade him later they are free to do so!

 

[Kingz19]

If you’re talking about Bane, he’s way, way more proven than Kuminga. Plays both sides of the ball. Has carried Memphis when Morant has been out. AND, AND the Magic are poised to make a run at Eastern finals and Finals.
We aren’t anywhere near this.

Sure, but he’s not a “star” player and has never really been close to an all star game even with Morant out for extended periods of time and an open buffet. And we are talking about 4 unprotected here. Not one for a player who has never been seriously considered as even an injury replacement all star…and likely never will be. He’s a helluva player, but I would’ve been furious if the Kings gave 4 lottery protected first rounders for him. Let alone 4 unprotected

And Magic were poised to make a multi round run last season and they barely missed the lottery.

Even if they weren’t injury prone. They arent a team that you can confidently say will be churning out late first rounders for the next half decade. At least not me. That’s another thread but I have some problems with their roster and its balance.

Now to JK…nothing about the pursuit for Kuminga is about what he has proven. It’s all based on what the Kings think he will be.

The salary. Kuminga hasn’t proven to be a $20 million+ but he’s going to get it based on the strides he’s expected to make in the role the Kings envision for him. Even the Warriors are willing to give him that based on it being viewed good value even as they aren’t sure where he fits in their roster. Because that’s where his potential and projections are.

He wouldn’t be worth Monk or even a heavily protected first based on his body of work to this point. But that’s currently being rejected like it’s a given it would be rejected.

It’s up to the FO to decide if they project Kuminga to be a future number one, or number 2 option. And I mean soon of course. As well as a two way player. If they do then I think adding an unprotected first should be easy for them.

I think the hold up is they aren’t sure yet that they’ll have to give an unprotected first for him.

But going after Kuminga based on a vision is more of the speculative moves that the Kings haven’t been making for years that left them missing out on some really good players that could’ve been had.

I think Kuminga could(probably will) prove to be much more valuable than a player like Desmond Bane is the overall point. He isn’t even close to a finished product.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Sure, but he’s not a “star” player and has never really been close to an all star game even with Morant out for extended periods of time and an open buffet. And we are talking about 4 unprotected here. Not one for a player who has never been seriously considered as even an injury replacement all star…and likely never will be. He’s a helluva player, but I would’ve been furious if the Kings gave 4 lottery protected first rounders for him. Let alone 4 unprotected

And Magic were poised to make a multi round run last season and they barely missed the lottery.

Even if they weren’t injury prone. They arent a team that you can confidently say will be churning out late first rounders for the next half decade. At least not me. That’s another thread but I have some problems with their roster and its balance.

Now to JK…nothing about the pursuit for Kuminga is about what he has proven. It’s all based on what the Kings think he will be.

The salary. Kuminga hasn’t proven to be a $20 million+ but he’s going to get it based on the strides he’s expected to make in the role the Kings envision for him. Even the Warriors are willing to give him that based on it being viewed good value even as they aren’t sure where he fits in their roster. Because that’s where his potential and projections are.

He wouldn’t be worth Monk or even a heavily protected first based on his body of work to this point. But that’s currently being rejected like it’s a given it would be rejected.

It’s up to the FO to decide if they project Kuminga to be a future number one, or number 2 option. And I mean soon of course. As well as a two way player. If they do then I think adding an unprotected first should be easy for them.

I think the hold up is they aren’t sure yet that they’ll have to give an unprotected first for him.

But going after Kuminga based on a vision is more of the speculative moves that the Kings haven’t been making for years that left them missing out on some really good players that could’ve been had.

I think Kuminga could(probably will) prove to be much more valuable than a player like Desmond Bane is the overall point. He isn’t even close to a finished product.

Before that deal was made the Magic were rumored to be shopping Anthony and including compensation. We aren't looking to trade Monk and picks for salary relief.

 

[The_Jamal]

Sure, but he’s not a “star” player and has never really been close to an all star game even with Morant out for extended periods of time and an open buffet. And we are talking about 4 unprotected here. Not one for a player who has never been seriously considered as even an injury replacement all star…and likely never will be. He’s a helluva player, but I would’ve been furious if the Kings gave 4 lottery protected first rounders for him. Let alone 4 unprotected

And Magic were poised to make a multi round run last season and they barely missed the lottery.

Even if they weren’t injury prone. They arent a team that you can confidently say will be churning out late first rounders for the next half decade. At least not me. That’s another thread but I have some problems with their roster and its balance.

Now to JK…nothing about the pursuit for Kuminga is about what he has proven. It’s all based on what the Kings think he will be.

The salary. Kuminga hasn’t proven to be a $20 million+ but he’s going to get it based on the strides he’s expected to make in the role the Kings envision for him. Even the Warriors are willing to give him that based on it being viewed good value even as they aren’t sure where he fits in their roster. Because that’s where his potential and projections are.

He wouldn’t be worth Monk or even a heavily protected first based on his body of work to this point. But that’s currently being rejected like it’s a given it would be rejected.

It’s up to the FO to decide if they project Kuminga to be a future number one, or number 2 option. And I mean soon of course. As well as a two way player. If they do then I think adding an unprotected first should be easy for them.

I think the hold up is they aren’t sure yet that they’ll have to give an unprotected first for him.

But going after Kuminga based on a vision is more of the speculative moves that the Kings haven’t been making for years that left them missing out on some really good players that could’ve been had.

I think Kuminga could(probably will) prove to be much more valuable than a player like Desmond Bane is the overall point. He isn’t even close to a finished product.

100%

Look, especially when you're the Sacramento Kings, you have to take swings at some point. Talent pretty much never walks through the door. As much as I love Domas, the fact he's very clearly one of the best players in our franchise history shows how talent deficient we've been for most of our existence.

If Kuminga were proven, we'd never be having
This conversation. The Warriors would have extended him a year ago. But this is a situation where we have SUCH a rare opportunity to buy low on a guy with tremendous upside as an offensive weapon. Maybe he never hits that level, but the Kings pretty much never even get access to a prospect like this with the capability of being a #1 or #2.

Ill say it again, these are the only real bets we should be making. Introduce potential upside on a team, for a cheap cost, that doesn't rip our future apart. Like a Brown or Garland would.

And if Kuminga does flop? You can survive it because we still have 7 FRP from now until 2031

 

[NewArena]

Giving up an unprotected kings 1st for Kuminga would be an absolute disaster. This franchise is not good. Sabonis will be gone by 2030. Even a lotto protected 1st is a terrible idea.

This feels like monte all over again. Give up a first a few years down the line for a non needle mover (huerter), and regret it within a year.

When are we going to learn these bandaid patches wont fix this team. They need to save picks and draft or go all in for a real difference maker.

I actually like kuminga. I really hope im wrong. But today its a coin flip. He today is not a good player, could he become one? I sure hope so.

How does this feel like Monte again if the deal hasn’t happened? Just cuz someone wrote down the fact that the Warriors want it to happen? Yes i bet they want a lot of things.

 

[Section 101]

They're delusional. Kuminga is not going to have more value in Feb, than he is now on the warriors. Especially if Kerr doesn't play him in a significant role, which considering he himself has said he doesn't want to play him... seems likely.

The longer this drags out, the more and more likely I think they accept the monk and 2030 protected. Eventually, you have to think Steph, Dray, Kerr, Jimmy start getting involved and get in Dunleavys ear to complete their team build.

They need his salary in the $20-30 mil range to make a trade for a Gannis or someone that comes available. Otherwise, it's Butler or Draymond. To make salaries work. Which is why if he takes the QO they are screwed.

 

[NewArena]

When I look at S&T deals of years past when a team has moved on from the player in question they usually get garbage back. Getting Monk back is a pretty huge get even if they don't like him, even arguably better than when they did the double-sign and trade when they were losing KD for DLo who they also clearly didn't want but they wanted to stay operating way above the cap. Arguably Monk can contribute more right away to either team. Then they get a pick on top of that (or Carter or possibly both???)?

Give me a break Dubs.

Both? They definitely ain’t getting monk AND Carter. I think the warriors would have accepted that by now and we better damn not

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Both? They definitely ain’t getting monk AND Carter. I think the warriors would have accepted that by now and we better damn not

Any previous deal with Carter almost certainly included Monk for salary? I guess we don’t know for sure. But I always assumed so.

 

[The_Jamal]

Any previous deal with Carter almost certainly included Monk for salary? I guess we don’t know for sure. But I always assumed so.

The previous deal was Monk to DET, Saric/Carter/2nds to GS.

So this has just evolved to Protected FRP in lieu of Carter/2nds, more or less. Good swap for us, imo.

 

[coolhandluke]

Kings have made a more than generous offer. They should pull the offer and walk away from the table. If the Warriors are serious, we can re-engage at a later time.

We can't foot the bill for the dysfunctionality of the Warriors. They have disrespected Kuminga at every turn. He might take the QO and when they are forced to trade him at the deadline, he can be had for a lower cost as he can decide where he goes.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Magic just traded 4 of them for one.

Bane gives you star production even if he wasn’t an all star three years of 20-5–5 shooting splits 52/39/88. Orlando has a franchise player, a Robin, a good third player, and a deep bench while making the playoffs they’re still young. We live in the lottery, relying on older players for success, and we don’t have a franchise player.

 

[NewArena]

Any previous deal with Carter almost certainly included Monk for salary? I guess we don’t know for sure. But I always assumed so.

There has to be another way to make that happen. Ew. I don’t know why i never considered the salary which is pretty important lol ultimately, i do not wanna see Monk in those hideous colors.

 

[serbiangoat]

Sure, but he’s not a “star” player and has never really been close to an all star game even with Morant out for extended periods of time and an open buffet. And we are talking about 4 unprotected here. Not one for a player who has never been seriously considered as even an injury replacement all star…and likely never will be. He’s a helluva player, but I would’ve been furious if the Kings gave 4 lottery protected first rounders for him. Let alone 4 unprotected

And Magic were poised to make a multi round run last season and they barely missed the lottery.

Even if they weren’t injury prone. They arent a team that you can confidently say will be churning out late first rounders for the next half decade. At least not me. That’s another thread but I have some problems with their roster and its balance.

Now to JK…nothing about the pursuit for Kuminga is about what he has proven. It’s all based on what the Kings think he will be.

The salary. Kuminga hasn’t proven to be a $20 million+ but he’s going to get it based on the strides he’s expected to make in the role the Kings envision for him. Even the Warriors are willing to give him that based on it being viewed good value even as they aren’t sure where he fits in their roster. Because that’s where his potential and projections are.

He wouldn’t be worth Monk or even a heavily protected first based on his body of work to this point. But that’s currently being rejected like it’s a given it would be rejected.

It’s up to the FO to decide if they project Kuminga to be a future number one, or number 2 option. And I mean soon of course. As well as a two way player. If they do then I think adding an unprotected first should be easy for them.

I think the hold up is they aren’t sure yet that they’ll have to give an unprotected first for him.

But going after Kuminga based on a vision is more of the speculative moves that the Kings haven’t been making for years that left them missing out on some really good players that could’ve been had.

I think Kuminga could(probably will) prove to be much more valuable than a player like Desmond Bane is the overall point. He isn’t even close to a finished product.

Bane is an All Star level player easily , he just has not been selected cause he's going up against elite of the elite and would never be voted in either. I'd be shocked if Kuminga is ever in Banes level but if he is or does better than thats a insane pick up for whoever got him, I would have traded Monk/Carter/pick for Bane but not for Kuminga.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

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