[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

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Section 101 said:
So if you are Levine, do you risk getting injured on the opt in year/decline in value or do you try to get a longer term deal for less per year, but more overall guaranteed money?
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If the choice is between 1 at $49M and take my chances, or three at $25M, I'm definitely sticking with the $49M. If, like PDX suggested, he were presented the opportunity for three years at $40M, then that's a different story. But it also doesn't clear much cap space for the Kings, which was the initial point of the discussion.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
With this new CBA I think the latter, but it is not going to be for 50% of that deal, more like 75%.

So instead of 1 year at 49 or 3 years at 75, more like 3 years at 120. Maybe he'd agree to a declining deal or all 3 years at 40 though, so both player and team have flexibility if either decide to move on. I think we will see more like this as time goes on and players and GMs accept the reality of the current CBA.
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I disagree. I think he's looking at the MLE for his next contract if on the market. Teams aren't having cap space and if they do they aren't looking to spend on LeVine.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1950950715855187984

“We aren’t going to trade him but we also aren’t going to give him anything remotely close to the contract he’s looking for!”
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This sort of just reads like Seigel is directly getting fed by the Warriors FO.

I'd be pretty surprised if they so publically decided to hold Kuminga hostage. Like how does that play out in the locker room? A guy that only got resigned to get traded?
 
The_Jamal said:
This sort of just reads like Seigel is directly getting fed by the Warriors FO.

I'd be pretty surprised if they so publically decided to hold Kuminga hostage. Like how does that play out in the locker room? A guy that only got resigned to get traded?
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I still am just losing my mind over the "he needs to get over himself he's a restricted free agent and that is there to benefit teams not the player" nonsense. Like yes, it sort of is. To benefit small market teams getting outbid by LA and NY. Golden State is using it to lowball a player they wish to immediately trade. That is such bad faith. Meanwhile other free agents are waiting for this to get resolved before they sign with them but maybe they should move on?
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1950950715855187984

“We aren’t going to trade him but we also aren’t going to give him anything remotely close to the contract he’s looking for!”
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Really? If this is true this really isn't as far apart as reported. The Warriors are coming in with a hostage contract, Kuminga is now willing to settle for purgatory. I can see why Kuminga is like hell no to a 2nd year team option.
 
SacTownKid said:
Really? If this is true this really isn't as far apart as reported. The Warriors are coming in with a hostage contract, Kuminga is now willing to settle for purgatory. I can see why Kuminga is like hell no to a 2nd year team option.
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Kuminga's just got to give them the "Trade me, or I'm take the QO" stance. Which I think he's probably doing at this point. The QO nukes the Warriors (and him), but I think that's still better for his career than being tied to a team for 2 years, that has no interest in you, in developing you and only wants to retain you to trade you to a team of THEIR choosing.

I'm honestly stunned why the Warriors aren't just getting the value they can from this scenario and moving on. Why in god's green earth are they screwing around with the team with one of Steph's final years as a guy that can lead a title team? I really also don't understand why they think teams will pay more at the deadline when they already know the Warriors have no intention of keeping him past their 2 year contract. Who's going to pay top dollar when they know he's hitting UFA in a year and a half?

And now we've learned GPII and Horf are waiting on this situation to resolve. What if this doesn't resolve by Aug 20? Into September? Are they going to wait that long?

Kuminga will be 23 when the season starts and will be a 23 year old UFA next off-season. Even if there's not a ton of cap space available, at least he'd have autonomy over his career going forward on where he plays next. I'd prefer that than being held hostage by an organization that willing to burn you and your value for 2 more years.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
If the choice is between 1 at $49M and take my chances, or three at $25M, I'm definitely sticking with the $49M. If, like PDX suggested, he were presented the opportunity for three years at $40M, then that's a different story. But it also doesn't clear much cap space for the Kings, which was the initial point of the discussion.
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Yeah given his lack of defense and playmaking it is hard to justify that much for him. He is considered a highly negative contract for a reason.
 

Kuminga has said the Kings are his preferred destination now. I'm going to LMAO when Kuminga pulls a Fox and tells any interested team he isn't going to resign with them, because he will sign with the Kings next off season after signing the QO.

Warriors better pull their heads out of the their you know what or they are going to get zero in return for JK if he calls their bluff and signs the QO.
 
I never believe reports that begin with "The growing belief" lmao because what does that even mean and who believes it?
 
ockingsfan said:

Kuminga has said the Kings are his preferred destination now. I'm going to LMAO when Kuminga pulls a Fox and tells any interested team he isn't going to resign with them, because he will sign with the Kings next off season after signing the QO.

Warriors better pull their heads out of the their you know what or they are going to get zero in return for JK if he calls their bluff and signs the QO.
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Looking around at the cap of most teams and Kuminga is in a tough, tough spot. There are almost no expiring contracts out there this season and yes, one of the only teams that can put pressure on the Warriors would be Chicago. It's crazy, the Kings became the Bulls and the Bulls are in a great position to rebuild. lol. If Perry wants Kuminga, just pull the Keon trigger. Get it over with. With Keon and Keegan having to be re-signed then it's almost impossible to clear enough space to make a run at him with that Schroder deal on the books next summer. If the idea was to prep to persuade Kuminga to come over next summer then Perry might have already kind of blew it unless LaVine opts out. The things that super complicate things when it comes to going after Kuminga next summer are Ellis, Murray, and Schroder at this point.
 
"Kings team sources say they’ve offered a three-year, $63 million deal for Kuminga in a proposal that would send veteran guard Malik Monk and their 2030 first-round pick (lottery protected) to the Warriors. If that pick didn’t convey, then the Warriors would get the least favorable of the Kings or San Antonio’s first-round pick in 2031. Those protections have been the primary sticking point, team sources said, as the Warriors have insisted that the first-rounder be unprotected. Thus, the stalemate."

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/65...ga-warriors-nba-free-agency-qualifying-offer/
 
coolhandluke said:
"Kings team sources say they’ve offered a three-year, $63 million deal for Kuminga in a proposal that would send veteran guard Malik Monk and their 2030 first-round pick (lottery protected) to the Warriors. If that pick didn’t convey, then the Warriors would get the least favorable of the Kings or San Antonio’s first-round pick in 2031. Those protections have been the primary sticking point, team sources said, as the Warriors have insisted that the first-rounder be unprotected. Thus, the stalemate."

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/65...ga-warriors-nba-free-agency-qualifying-offer/
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Interesting. So who blinks first? Because my guess is the Kuminga camp has probably said "Either trade me to Sac, or I'm signing the QO".

And honestly, if we aren't giving up Carter? Unprotect the pick, and move forward. Getting to keep him is worth losing the protections.
 
Is it a big deal to just do the 1st rounder that’s only like top 2 or 3 protected?

The draft is such a gamble anyway. How likely are you to draft a better NBA prospect than Kuminga with that pick?

I think worrying about losing out on some superstar with that pick is just pointless. I’m not even sure I would mind removing protections completely because chances are we aren’t getting a top 3 pick anyway.
 
SacTownKid said:
Looking around at the cap of most teams and Kuminga is in a tough, tough spot. There are almost no expiring contracts out there this season and yes, one of the only teams that can put pressure on the Warriors would be Chicago. It's crazy, the Kings became the Bulls and the Bulls are in a great position to rebuild. lol. If Perry wants Kuminga, just pull the Keon trigger. Get it over with. With Keon and Keegan having to be re-signed then it's almost impossible to clear enough space to make a run at him with that Schroder deal on the books next summer. If the idea was to prep to persuade Kuminga to come over next summer then Perry might have already kind of blew it unless LaVine opts out. The things that super complicate things when it comes to going after Kuminga next summer are Ellis, Murray, and Schroder at this point.
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Journeyman Schroeder hurting us like that is peak Kings basketball
 
The_Jamal said:
Interesting. So who blinks first? Because my guess is the Kuminga camp has probably said "Either trade me to Sac, or I'm signing the QO".

And honestly, if we aren't giving up Carter? Unprotect the pick, and move forward. Getting to keep him is worth losing the protections.
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Relax with the unprotect the pick talk you don’t do that for a non top 15 player let alone for a franchise that’s owned by vevik the league should veto any trade like that

I always said why offer Carter when this is a Fox type situation monk and a protected first should be enough
 
Trading the guy that was "all in" on the Kings is so on brand for the organization. As per BYC rules, Kuminga's new contract would count only as $10.5M (50% of $21M) in the trade in return for Monk ($18.8M). This means we would have to take back salary of around $8.3M (maybe someone like Buddy or Moody).
 
coolhandluke said:
Trading the guy that was "all in" on the Kings is so on brand for the organization. As per BYC rules, Kuminga's new contract would count only as $10.5M (50% of $21M) in the trade in return for Monk ($18.8M). This means we would have to take back salary of around $8.3M (maybe someone like Buddy or Moody).
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We have to give more to them, Saric (buyout candidate) probably, maybe Carter. Kuminga's contract counts full price for us.
Otherwise it's a multi-team deal where the salary can be spread out a bit.
 
Giving up an unprotected kings 1st for Kuminga would be an absolute disaster. This franchise is not good. Sabonis will be gone by 2030. Even a lotto protected 1st is a terrible idea.

This feels like monte all over again. Give up a first a few years down the line for a non needle mover (huerter), and regret it within a year.

When are we going to learn these bandaid patches wont fix this team. They need to save picks and draft or go all in for a real difference maker.

I actually like kuminga. I really hope im wrong. But today its a coin flip. He today is not a good player, could he become one? I sure hope so.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
Giving up an unprotected kings 1st for Kuminga would be an absolute disaster. This franchise is not good. Sabonis will be gone by 2030. Even a lotto protected 1st is a terrible idea.

This feels like monte all over again. Give up a first a few years down the line for a non needle mover (huerter), and regret it within a year.

When are we going to learn these bandaid patches wont fix this team. They need to save picks and draft or go all in for a real difference maker.

I actually like kuminga. I really hope im wrong. But today its a coin flip. He today is not a good player, could he become one? I sure hope so.
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Pretty simple. If you keep Carter, you can give the unprotected. If not, it stays protected.

Also, you're correct this franchise is not good. Which is why a swing on an upside player like Kuminga, is what a team stuck in the middle SHOULD be doing. Especially considering the fact that we're pretty confident Vivek will never rebuild.

Trading for the established star is 100% the wrong route to go. Like a Jaylen Brown package probably costs you what.. Keegan+3-4 FRP? And you have to match salary so like DDR+Monk+Keegan+3-4 FRP. Or Lavine+Keegan+3-4 FRP.

How does that drastically change our outlook? Is Brown+Domas enough with no future assets? Especially when we'd have to include a bunch of our "win now" talent to execute the deal?

Adding Kuminga and getting to keep Carter actually gives this team a pretty damn decent amount of future value to build off of

Keegan
Keon
Kuminga
Nique
Carter
Raynaud
IJ

And Assuming we send out DDR to MIA, if we bring in Kuminga, the vets are still:

Domas
LaVine
Dennis
Russ?

And the Kings still have access to FRP's every other year until 2031

Kings 2026 FRP
Kings 2027 FRP
SAS Lotto protected 2027 FRP
Kings 2028 FRP
Kings 2029 FRP
Sac 2030 FRP (trade?)
MIN 2031 unprotected FRP
Sac 2031 pick swap with SAS

All this to say of course, that we should be fighting to keep it protected in negotiations. But I do not think it's worth walking away from losing the chance at Kuminga if that's the hard-line being put in the sand
 
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The_Jamal said:
Pretty simple. If you keep Carter, you can give the unprotected. If not, it stays protected.

Also, you're correct this franchise is not good. Which is why a swing on an upside player like Kuminga, is what a team stuck in the middle SHOULD be doing. Especially considering the fact that we're pretty confident Vivek will never rebuild.

Trading for the established star is 100% the wrong route to go. Like a Jaylen Brown package probably costs you what.. Keegan+3-4 FRP? And you have to match salary so like DDR+Monk+Keegan+3-4 FRP. Or Lavine+Keegan+3-4 FRP.

How does that drastically change our outlook? Is Brown+Domas enough with no future assets? Especially when we'd have to include a bunch of our "win now" talent to execute the deal?

Adding Kuminga and getting to keep Carter actually gives this team a pretty damn decent amount of future value to build off of

Keegan
Keon
Kuminga
Nique
Carter
Raynaud
IJ

And Assuming we send out DDR to MIA, if we bring in Kuminga, the vets are still:

Domas
LaVine
Dennis
Russ?

And the Kings still have access to FRP's every other year until 2031

Kings 2026 FRP
Kings 2027 FRP
SAS Lotto protected 2027 FRP
Kings 2028 FRP
Kings 2029 FRP
Sac 2030 FRP (trade?)
MIN 2031 unprotected FRP
Sac 2031 pick swap with SAS

All this to say of course, that we should be fighting to keep it protected in negotiations. But I do not think it's worth walking away from losing the chance at Kuminga if that's the hard-line being put in the sand
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I do not care if Carter is included. Carter projects to be a bench player. If kuminga is your guy, you absolutely give up carter and keep your picks. You already have keon.

Giving up a 2030 1st to warriors and then a swap with 2031 1st to spurs is going to be a disaster.

Why does keegan have to be included in a trade? Yes ill give up lavine or demar/monk and 4 1sts for a jaylen brown in a heart beat. But realistically id soft tank the next 2 years holding my picks, and then id go for a star at that time. Still-
Schroder - Keon- brown - keegan - sabonis
Is actually a team that has a real chance in making the 2nd round. Which is more than we've done in 20 years.

This team is just doing what it always does. Give up futures for a guy who isnt good now but its a shiny new piece to get season ticket holders buying again. Yay!
 
Honestly what about Perry is different than monte at this point.
Picks up option on Keon losing team control
Overpays middling vet (schroder)
Overpaying for kuminga
Wanting to dump carter to sign russ Westbrook
Wants to keep demar

I knew this guy wasnt going to be the answer. The second we signed him without an interview process it was more of the same vivek yes men.
 
coolhandluke said:
"Kings team sources say they’ve offered a three-year, $63 million deal for Kuminga in a proposal that would send veteran guard Malik Monk and their 2030 first-round pick (lottery protected) to the Warriors. If that pick didn’t convey, then the Warriors would get the least favorable of the Kings or San Antonio’s first-round pick in 2031. Those protections have been the primary sticking point, team sources said, as the Warriors have insisted that the first-rounder be unprotected. Thus, the stalemate."

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/65...ga-warriors-nba-free-agency-qualifying-offer/
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That proposal also wouldn’t hamstring our ability to offer up future 1sts either via the Stepien rule so that’s an interesting/smart way to construct the offer. I’m fine with that price considering Carter is not being included.

coolhandluke said:
Trading the guy that was "all in" on the Kings is so on brand for the organization. As per BYC rules, Kuminga's new contract would count only as $10.5M (50% of $21M) in the trade in return for Monk ($18.8M). This means we would have to take back salary of around $8.3M (maybe someone like Buddy or Moody).
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As for taking back Hield or Moody, I don’t think that is necessary to make the deal legal.

The Warriors aren’t above the 1st apron and the money being sent out does not exceed $29 mil ($63 mil/3 years) so that means the Warriors can receive back 50% of Kuminga’s 1st year + $8.25 mil.

Monk is making $18.797 mil next year. If we front load Kuminga’s deal, it should be legal. For example, if we gave Kuminga 8% decreases over 3 years, his first year salary would be $22.773 mil. 50% of that amount + $8.25 mil comes out to $19.637 mil (meaning the Warriors can take back at maximum $19.637 mil in salary while keeping the deal legal). Monk’s $18.797 mil comes in below that threshold which I think would make it legal.

I still don’t think Monk’s fit makes sense for the Warriors with all of the guards they have (plus they want to bring back Payton still), and I know the Warriors are extremely motivated to not have anyone on their roster that has a contract past 2 years (Monk has 3 years left). I’d have to think the Warriors would prefer to reroute Monk for some forward help instead.

Perhaps something like this would intrigue them…

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DAL Gets: Malik Monk
DAL Gives: Naji Marshall, Jaden Hardy, & Dwight Powell

PG - Monk / Russell / Williams / Irving (rehab)
SG - Thompson / Christie
SF - Flagg / Martin / Prosper
PF - Davis / Washington
C - Lively / Gafford

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GSW Gets: Naji Marshall, Jaden Hardy, Dwight Powell, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable of 2031 SAC/SAS 1st)
GSW Gives: Jonathan Kuminga

PG - Curry / Podziemski
SG - Moody / Hield / Hardy
SF - Butler / Santos
PF - Green / Marshall
C - Post / Jackson-Davis / Powell

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SAC Gets: Jonathan Kuminga
SAC Gives: Malik Monk & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable of 2031 SAC/SAS 1st)

PG - Schroder / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis / Clifford / Davis
SF - Murray / DeRozan / McDermott
PF - Kuminga / Jones / Saric
C - Sabonis / Raynaud / Eubanks

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BuddyBuckets said:
Honestly what about Perry is different than monte at this point.
Picks up option on Keon losing team control
Overpays middling vet (schroder)
Overpaying for kuminga
Wanting to dump carter to sign russ Westbrook
Wants to keep demar

I knew this guy wasnt going to be the answer. The second we signed him without an interview process it was more of the same vivek yes men.
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Denis Schroeder man so ****ing stupid could just try Carter at point hell try Nique at point he hits that’s huge. All fails why not sign Tyus Jones over hik for less smh



BuddyBuckets said:
I do not care if Carter is included. Carter projects to be a bench player. If kuminga is your guy, you absolutely give up carter and keep your picks. You already have keon.

Giving up a 2030 1st to warriors and then a swap with 2031 1st to spurs is going to be a disaster.

Why does keegan have to be included in a trade? Yes ill give up lavine or demar/monk and 4 1sts for a jaylen brown in a heart beat. But realistically id soft tank the next 2 years holding my picks, and then id go for a star at that time. Still-
Schroder - Keon- brown - keegan - sabonis
Is actually a team that has a real chance in making the 2nd round. Which is more than we've done in 20 years.

This team is just doing what it always does. Give up futures for a guy who isnt good now but its a shiny new piece to get season ticket holders buying again. Yay!
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Pure madness!! Kid had no training camp or preseason and did good last year we need guys like him and Keon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946352957093814345
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Denis Schroeder man so ****ing stupid could just try Carter at point hell try Nique at point he hits that’s huge. All fails why not sign Tyus Jones over hik for less smh





Pure madness!! Kid had no training camp or preseason and did good last year we need guys like him and Keon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946352957093814345
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I dont want to give Carter away. But if its for Kuminga, that I'm fine with. And I'd much rather do that then give up future picks that we shouldn't be talking about. They are about the same age, and Kuminga plays a position we need far more.

I'm absolutely not advocating for dumping Carter to find minutes for Russ. Thats foolish.
 
Srzly said:
Is it a big deal to just do the 1st rounder that’s only like top 2 or 3 protected?

The draft is such a gamble anyway. How likely are you to draft a better NBA prospect than Kuminga with that pick?

I think worrying about losing out on some superstar with that pick is just pointless. I’m not even sure I would mind removing protections completely because chances are we aren’t getting a top 3 pick anyway.
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In 2030 it is. The Kings could potentially have already given up a top pick to the Spurs in 2031. Those are the most valuable assets a team has whether for themselves or via trade. You don't gamble like that and if a team does they typically lose unless it's for a guaranteed superstar and ring. This ain't that.
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Denis Schroeder man so ****ing stupid could just try Carter at point hell try Nique at point he hits that’s huge. All fails why not sign Tyus Jones over hik for less smh





Pure madness!! Kid had no training camp or preseason and did good last year we need guys like him and Keon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946352957093814345
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I posted about this at the time when I saw that. That along with Keon and Carter being the best two man combo down the stretch says a lot. Says more if the Kings organization isn't seeing it. That means BBall IQ is still missing at the top. At least to the point where if you don't explore it more it's a blatant disservice.
 
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