Voisin: Will Bibby's D become his A game?

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Ailene Voisin: Will Bibby's 'D' become his 'A' game?
By Ailene Voisin - Bee Columnist

Last Updated 5:09 am PDT Wednesday, October 3, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C1

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For the first time in his seven seasons with the Kings, Mike Bibby is an incumbent without any job security. He is coming off his least productive season, continues to be mentioned in trade speculation and has a new head coach who insists that he play defense to ensure his playing time.

So Bibby didn't exactly stroll into training camp this week in the best of moods. He is edgy and uncomfortable, at times defiant, other times in complete denial.

"When you start losing, especially when it's been so good here for so long, they have to look for somebody to blame," he said after practice Tuesday, that chip on his shoulder crowding his many tattoos. "I don't mind it. I'm the leader of this team, so I don't care. I don't feel my defense is that bad."

True, Bibby has absorbed much of the blame for the Kings' recent struggles. True, he is the floor leader and primary ballhandler, when he is probably most effective paired with a bigger, more versatile teammate such as the departed Doug Christie. But also true: His defense is that bad. Opposing scouts invariably list the 6-foot-3 Bibby in the opening paragraphs of their pregame reports, his combined lack of footspeed and uninspired defense transforming the lane into a potential toll-free parkway.

Nonetheless, the most immediate issue confronting the Kings -- superceded perhaps only by the question of whether Reggie Theus is as talented a coach as he says he is -- is not whether Bibby suddenly morphs into a Christie-like stopper, but how he reacts in general to his changing circumstances.

He has two choices here, and one final chance. He can sit and stew, resisting Theus' attempts to mold the Kings into an entertaining, cohesive unit that plays at a faster pace and expends energy defensively. (In that case, Bibby can sit and stew while awaiting a trade offer that finally tempts Geoff Petrie.) Or he can respond the way he did the last time he was challenged to this extent, specifically, by Larry Brown during the 2003 Olympic qualifying tournament in Puerto Rico.

That was a Mike Bibby seldom seen in Sacramento, a point guard who harassed opposing ballhandlers, swiped passes and launched lobs for dunks, and whose all-around performance thrust him into a three-way rotation with future Hall of Famers Jason Kidd and Allen Iverson. Brown, the national team coach at the time, never stopped raving about him; he remains convinced his U.S. Olympic team would have prevailed in Athens the following summer had Bibby been willing to participate. Gregg Popovich, the demanding, defense-oriented assistant, became another convert.

"If you don't play defense," Bibby explained repeatedly at the time, with his familiar crooked grin, "you don't play. And I want to play."

Here it is, four years and three coaches later, the last of whom again is linking playing time to defense, and Bibby has a similar decision to make. Combined with his maligned defense, his career-low statistics in shooting percentage and assists average have left him vulnerable. His failure to assert himself as a unifying, forceful floor leader during the 2006-07 horror show nudged Petrie into even more intense trade discussions.

Yet the Bibby era isn't necessarily over. In spite of his public demands and harsh critique, Theus is offering a reprieve. Not an olive branch. A reprieve. If his point guard is receptive to joining the evolution, says Theus, the starting job and the big minutes are his.

"We start with a clean slate," the rookie coach said, "and when all is said and done, I am the perfect coach for Mike because I played the position.

"I know a player can score and get assists. I know he can run a team and take shots. I know he's a pick-and-roll guy, that he likes coming off the baseline, that he doesn't always want to be the guy bringing the ball up the court. But he's got to be willing to put it out there defensively."

If nothing else, Theus' enthusiasm has given Petrie pause; he sounds even less inclined than usual to pursue a fire sale.

"Mike has had a really productive run here," said Petrie, "and Reggie wants a chance to coach him ... but I'm not (making) any promises here."

This is it, then. Bibby's choice, his last chance to recover his jump shot, efficiently direct the offense, and most importantly, overcome those lousy defensive habits. The caution flags are out.

About the writer:

* Reach Ailene Voisin at (916) 321-1208 or avoisin@sacbee.com. Back columns:www.sacbee.com/voisin.
 
great article...i really hope he turns it around if not for himself but for the sake of the team! he really needs to step it up. Glad to read he's the leader of the team. So Mike, act as one please :D
 
Mike cant be the leader of this team, he isnt a true 'leader', anyway...never has been. Ron is the leader of this team, and I dont mind that, and I know I'm in the minority on this, but dont care.
 
artest is not and should not be the leader of this team... he might lead by example defensively but he should not be the leader of this team...
 
Ron is the leader of this team, and I dont mind that, and I know I'm in the minority on this, but dont care.

Same here. Ever since the game at Boston on 1/25/06, Ron has been the most consistent and significant leader. Not saying he's great at it (which he actually has been at select times), but certainly above-average.

Yes, the problem with his wife was bad (though not a "severe" situation from what I've read), but it was his personal business and he took care of it. Didn't really matter with the team success because we were out of the playoffs and stayed out.

SAR and Mike contribute in their ways. As did Corliss. I think Ron's been the main leader since 1/06, though. Regardless, Artest is at least going to be one of the most stand-out guys on the team as far as leadership.
 
Bibby's defense will never be his strong point. If he it isn't by this point in his career it never will be. Also you can't fix something you don't know is wrong, since he doesn't think his defense is "that bad". And he is NOT the leader of this team. In fact that's one of the problems with this team. It lacks clear leadership among the players. Mike says he is the leader while a number of other people could be perceived as the leader.
 
artest is not and should not be the leader of this team... he might lead by example defensively but he should not be the leader of this team...


No, Ron actually leads by coaching and advising; sharing his experience and knowledge. Mike only leads by example, I do not think he ever pulls anyone aside and offers leadership.

If they casted an anonymous vote to all team players, I would bet Ron would be considered the leader.

As far as this article is concerned, I see Mike picking option 1. I just do not see him increasing his defensive effort, especially if he thinks his defense is not that bad.
 
That's Mike's problem he can't recognize his own faults so he doesn't think his defense is bad.
BINGO! I find Mikes coments about his own abysmal defense and his so called leadership to be more frighting than his defense OR his leadership them selves! If you can't honestly asses your weaknesses you can never adress them.

As for the idea that Ron is "the leader" I would asy that he brings some leadership, but Ron is just to overburdned with bagage to be able to lead effectivly. That does not mean that his work ethic, or intensity are not needed, valued or even a leadership role. It's just that if you are looking for a single leadership figure he is just not the palce to look.

And here in hags our troubled tale. On good/great teams there is a clear leader who focuses the team. There may also be other guys that act at leaders at times and in situations but in the end there is that one guy. Right now the Kings don't ahve that one guy. Lots of people wnated Bibby to be that guy but he just was not able or willing to take on the role. So we ahve this leading by committe thing going on. If (BIG IF) New Coach Guy can bring that kind of strong leadership or if someone else like Martin can step up and take it, then maybe this group will at least preform up to their ablities. But if not then expect another debacle last last season, where a clear 6-8th seed team just flounders all season long.
 
Bibby needs to shut up and play instead of saying that he's a scape goat and that he doesn't play bad defense and all this other garbage. I don't have anything against Mike but now he is just acting like a drama queen and he's acting like he gets blamed for everything. No, we just want him to pass the freaking ball this season and TRY on defense. He wants to be a leader but how you gonna be a leader when you don't try half the time? That's not exactly leading by example.
 
Bibby is a bad defender. He can't move his feet fast enough to guard today's warp-speed point guards and he doesn't have long arms or much athleticism. And he's definitely no leader.
Artest is the floor leader. Whether or not he's a good leader is very debatable. IMHO, the Kings are leaderless in terms of the roster.
 
Great article by Voison. Theus's credibility is at stake. He's got to stand up to the Bibby denial early or it's not good for him.

I know it's pure speculation, but I really think Bibby is thinking, "He (Theus) is talking the defense game, but what's he going to do without my offense? Theus said he's going to get Artest his shots for Artest's old D, well Theus is going to have to deal with my defense for him to get my points."

The team won't be great, but this mini-drama could be interesting...
 
Mike cant be the leader of this team, he isnt a true 'leader', anyway...never has been. Ron is the leader of this team, and I dont mind that, and I know I'm in the minority on this, but dont care.

Ron is many things, unfortunately a nut and frankly a loser being some of them -- the only good team he ever played on he destroyed. He misses the playoffs as often as makes. And a team with Ron Artest as its leader will never never never go anywhere in the NBA. He was a leader for 30 wild midseason when he first arrived games before people began to realize what a crackpot he was and tuned him out.

Oh, and yet I would agree that Mike is not the leader either. In fact we do not have a leader. And the one player we should be able to count on being here in let's say 2-3 years doesn't have the game or personality for it either. Cisco is the closest player to having a leader's approach, but he is just not good enough. You can't lead a team when you are struggling to keep your own game in control every ngiht. Tentatively I would say that Theus has to be the leader. But that's a helluva burden to throw on a first year coach, and works only so long as he can keep Kevin and Mike and Ron's attention. If he benches Kevin or Mike for defense, or suspends Ron for a night out on the town, that doesn't enhance his leadership, it turns him into Muss, out on an island alone. He will need to ally himself with them, and get them to keep everybody else in line. And then we can threaten 40.
 
Great article by Voison. Theus's credibility is at stake. He's got to stand up to the Bibby denial early or it's not good for him.

I know it's pure speculation, but I really think Bibby is thinking, "He (Theus) is talking the defense game, but what's he going to do without my offense? Theus said he's going to get Artest his shots for Artest's old D, well Theus is going to have to deal with my defense for him to get my points."

The team won't be great, but this mini-drama could be interesting...


lol we might as well nickname it the sactown soap opera.

If Salmons can push the tempo I honestly wouldn't mind him getting some more minutes at PG.
 
lol we might as well nickname it the sactown soap opera.

If Salmons can push the tempo I honestly wouldn't mind him getting some more minutes at PG.


Its hard to pressure major players anyway on these issues -- need to get them to voluntarily buy in. But Mike in particular is highly immune due to their being no viable alternative. Back when Adelman stole some of JWill's minutes in his final year, he gave them to Bobby Jackson -- a pretty darned good option. Theus is facing a much older and more established Bibby, and has no real credible threat with Douby/Shakur/Greene.

Quite frankly I am not really sure how you reach Bibby about defense -- he just almost refuses. But I do recall the very first preseason game last year where Eric Musselman, subsequently much reviled for his inability to motivate, had Mike Bibbby scrambling around like mad. It was much remarked on. Unfortunately I think that time suggests it may have jsut been more Mike deciding to do it to prove a point rather than any long term change in his thinking. But it does remain a lone pont of light out there. How to bottle that?
 
artest is not and should not be the leader of this team... he might lead by example defensively but he should not be the leader of this team...

This team has no real leader. That has been the problem since Divac left. The leader of this team is Reggie Theus, and he is going to lay the wood to these guys. I am just afraid these guys may not respond as men. And this article shows that Mike Bibby is not ready to be a man, and be accountable.

I am causiously looking forward to this season for one reason and one reason only. Reggie Theus.
 
Its hard to pressure major players anyway on these issues -- need to get them to voluntarily buy in. But Mike in particular is highly immune due to their being no viable alternative. Back when Adelman stole some of JWill's minutes in his final year, he gave them to Bobby Jackson -- a pretty darned good option. Theus is facing a much older and more established Bibby, and has no real credible threat with Douby/Shakur/Greene.

Quite frankly I am not really sure how you reach Bibby about defense -- he just almost refuses. But I do recall the very first preseason game last year where Eric Musselman, subsequently much reviled for his inability to motivate, had Mike Bibbby scrambling around like mad. It was much remarked on. Unfortunately I think that time suggests it may have jsut been more Mike deciding to do it to prove a point rather than any long term change in his thinking. But it does remain a lone pont of light out there. How to bottle that?
Not sure exactly where I'd go in the end but I would start in my office shwing Mike tape of that first preseason game last year and some footage from other games for contrast. I be as low key as possible in trying to let heim know how much he means to the team and that the key to motivating the TEAM on defense is what they see him doing on defense. In shore I'd paly nice round one. But in the end if the guy will not play D and I as a coach really want to stress defense then he would spend the 4th quarter trimming his nails while the most impressive defensive bench gaurd got his PT.
 
First, if you're lucky enough to have a Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson, then, yeah, you can have A LEADER to lead your team. Otherwise, it's a matter of having enough leaders on your team to balance the followers and the unmotivated, and to have those leaders going in the same direction. Just look at the champion teams over the past 30 years... relatively few of them had A LEADER.

Second, while I am no Bibby fan, he definitely leads, as does Artest and Cisco. They set the tone, they lead by example, and they do talk to the other players to offer encouragement and advice. I've seen Bibby talk to Kevin Martin in that way. Bibby is just not an outspoken leader, in the same way that Mitch Richmond was a leader, but not an outspoken one. Almost every season, Richmond would say he was going to be a more verbal leader this year, but it never happened with any consistency. Still, he was a leader.

Third, when Bibby says his defense is 'not that bad,' it doesn't mean that he doesn't realize that defense is his weakness. If you sometimes don't get along with your co-workers and you're in a job interview, are you going to reveal that you have a weakness in getting along with others? Of course not; or not if you want the job. So understandably, Mike doesn't want to admit to what we all know is his big weakness. But that doesn't mean he's not aware of it and that he's isn't going to work on it.
 
First I would like to say that this team has not had a leader on it since Valde left. Mitch Richmond was not a leader, nor was C Webb, and if Bibby leads by example, please show me and example of his leadership.. Playing horrible defense. Is that an example. Not passing the ball to wide open players in favor of someone he likes more. Is that an example. Leaders are not made. They are born. You just don't declare yourself a leader. I agree with Bricky that Cisco is the closest the Kings have to a leader, but he still has to prove himself. As for as Ron is concerned, people don't follow children. He is a supremely talented player with the mind of a child. He's the type in the military that would lead his men into an open field of fire, screaming come on, we can do it, while they get mowed down.
As far as how to get them to play defense. The only power a coach has is playing time. You play my way, or you sit and watch someone else play.
In an interview with one of the Spur's players, he was asked why everyone had such respect for Pops. He said because he treats everyone the same way. From Duncan to the guy at the end of the bench. And you play his way. Period..
 
First I would like to say that this team has not had a leader on it since Valde left. Mitch Richmond was not a leader, nor was C Webb, and if Bibby leads by example, please show me and example of his leadership.. Playing horrible defense. Is that an example. Not passing the ball to wide open players in favor of someone he likes more. Is that an example. Leaders are not made. They are born. You just don't declare yourself a leader. I agree with Bricky that Cisco is the closest the Kings have to a leader, but he still has to prove himself. As for as Ron is concerned, people don't follow children. He is a supremely talented player with the mind of a child. He's the type in the military that would lead his men into an open field of fire, screaming come on, we can do it, while they get mowed down.
As far as how to get them to play defense. The only power a coach has is playing time. You play my way, or you sit and watch someone else play.
In an interview with one of the Spur's players, he was asked why everyone had such respect for Pops. He said because he treats everyone the same way. From Duncan to the guy at the end of the bench. And you play his way. Period..
I agree with your comments about Pop and the Spurs. But, otherwise, I'm just tired of all the hero-worship. Vlade was a great guy and a good player, but do you think his smoking after the games is what you want in a leader? As I said before, I'm no fan of Bibby's, so I don't feel like trying to defend him. His defense is an embarrassment, and IMHO it will not improve, or at least not much. So whatever he offers in leadership is more than offset by his poor defense. But when you raise the bar for leadership so high that everyone disappoints, then what's the point? I guess it just shows that 'they don't make em like they used to...'
 
Maybe Bibby stopped wanting to play D after injuring his finger on a steal attempt in the pre?season last year.
 
Maybe Bibby stopped wanting to play D after injuring his finger on a steal attempt in the pre?season last year.

we better not play Bibby in Reno this year....hes gotten injured TWICE during the preseason in Reno already...its ridiculous because he was actually playing some crazy D back then
 
Look for Cisco to become a leader of the team this year. An excerpt from Sam Amicks article in the Bee this morning:

Theus, who has spent his early days on the new job pounding a point of passion that fits into García's repertoire, is ready to embrace the "Cisco" of old.

"Cisco will be a leader because he is not afraid to lead," Theus said. "He's not afraid to be verbal, to be a cheerleader, not afraid to speak up. ... These guys all know that Cisco is the most enthusiastic guy on the floor, and I know it's real because he did it at Louisville."


:D

This autta make things interesting in camp!!!
 
Mike Bibby has always been a barely average to way below average defensive player his entire pro career - if not back to his UofA days. His problem now is he's prematurely aged and simply slower than ever - and he's never been fast on his feet. Before, some of it was masked because he was younger and often had players around him who were gifted defensively - Christie, etc. If defense is about a few things; quickness/athleticism, plus effort/desire, and toughness/strength - Bibby simply comes up sorely lacking in all categories. If he could just make some progress in those areas he is deficient Bibby might not be viewed as such a huge team defense liability. Unfortunately, he's tried and failed to do it before so I don't expect any miracles.
 
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