Voisin wants Kings to move Karl to the front office

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Besides wins and losses, the Kings’ bottom line is this: Karl might not be the right coach for this roster, but his contacts within the league and his encyclopedic basketball knowledge are huge assets. The arena opens in October, but between now and then, the Kings have hires to make, miles to travel and major decisions to make.

Keeping Karl around is an easy one.
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No. Just no. Well, in fact, OH HELL NO!

In my previous rant, I should have included Ailene Voisin. I think she's past her prime, too. George Karl is part of the freaking problem. You don't reward him by keeping him around. Period. End of discussion.
 
Actually makes some semblance of sense.

Think of this as a PR move to keep elite coaches on the table to want to come here. "Kings assign Karl as VP of blah blah operations" sounds hell of a lot smoother than "Coaching Carousel continues in Sacramento as Kings fire HoF George Karl".

Like it or not Karl IS one of the most respected figures in the league and he does know everybody. I just don't see how any coach worth a damn commits to Sacramento after we kick Karl out after one year. This may be a way to circumvent that.
 
I like this. Whether he's the coach aswell or not, I really like him in that figure. Part of the failure to this season was the disconnect between management and Karl. I'm sure they entrusted him more power than they gave him. The Cousins trade debacle is proof of that. His tenure and resume of success speaks for itself. He has value to any franchise whether you like it or not.
 
Im Still Ballin said:
I like this. Whether he's the coach aswell or not, I really like him in that figure. Part of the failure to this season was the disconnect between management and Karl. I'm sure they entrusted him more power than they gave him. The Cousins trade debacle is proof of that. His tenure and resume of success speaks for itself. He has value to any franchise whether you like it or not.
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The first and second parts of your post do not match up.

Yes, part of the problem with this season was the disconnect between management and Karl, and Karl and this group of players.

The solution is not, therefore, to infiltrate this discordant piece permanently into the power structure. His vision does not fit management's or the players. The solution to that is explusion of the splinter. Not worming it further in.

P.S. I do agree with The Jamal that this might be the "honorable" way to can the old ball coach. But in the end he needs to be sidelined, not empowered as I am sure Ailene would like. Something ceremonial.
 
I am definitely against this but unfortunately I can see it happening. He needs to be removed from the organization fullstop
 
Bricklayer said:
The first and second parts of your post do not match up.

Yes, part of the problem with this season was the disconnect between management and Karl, and Karl and this group of players.

The solution is not, therefore, to infiltrate this discordant piece permanently into the power structure. His vision does not fit management's or the players. The solution to that is explusion of the splinter. Not worming it further in.

P.S. I do agree with The Jamal that this might be the "honorable" way to can the old ball coach. But in the end he needs to be sidelined, not empowered as I am sure Ailene would like. Something ceremonial.
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They do not match up because you interpret it from a different perspective and assumptions. I've made it public that I'd like the roster to have a massive overhaul, beginning with trading Demarcus. I don't see any realistic paths to success with Demarcus as the main piece. I'm sorry. But I don't. 6 years of him playing here tells me this. It's not that he isn't talented enough. No one ever debated that. It's the resolve. The bad character. He just cannot handle adversity. Very unprofessional.

So I don't see a future of success with Demarcus, but I see one with George Karl. Whatever his involvement with the franchise. I believe this because his resume of success speaks volumes. He has an elite reputation among the league. You ask any top NBA coach, they'll have good things to say about George Karl. I can see a success with him here, I really do.

Does this mean I don't acknowledge he has been part of the problem this season? Absolutely not. I've already said so. But here's where the difference lies between my views on Demarcus and George. Everything tells me that Demarcus is a loser. Everything tells me that George Karl is a winner. The betting man wages his money with George.

Can Karl go? I respect his talent. But's fine by me. There is enough mess there to justify it. Is it smart? I don't think so. He's a HOF talent that will always hold value in this league. But not if we keep Demarcus. Because we've been down this road so many times. The writing is on the wall.
 
Im Still Ballin said:
They do not match up because you interpret it from a different perspective and assumptions. I've made it public that I'd like the roster to have a massive overhaul, beginning with trading Demarcus...
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You lost me at that particular point. That's like starting your argument with, "I think cocaine is good for you because..."
 
Im Still Ballin said:
So I don't see a future of success with Demarcus, but I see one with George Karl. Whatever his involvement with the franchise. I believe this because his resume of success speaks volumes. He has an elite reputation among the league. You ask any top NBA coach, they'll have good things to say about George Karl. I can see a success with him here, I really do.
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I dare you to find any NBA coach who's willing to say something bad about another NBA coach. Praise from another coach isn't worth anything, because you can't get an NBA coach to say something bad about another coach. You can't even get other coaches to say something critical about Derek Fisher, you think it means something that they won't criticize George Karl? What do other active players have to say about him?

I'm not seeing this "elite reputation." Karl's reputation appears to be making players sick of him.
 
I don't see a future of success with Karl and once he is gone from here no one else in the League will either. This will be his last coaching stop and that will speak volumes. Get him out and long may he not linger.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
I dare you to find any NBA coach who's willing to say something bad about another NBA coach. Praise from another coach isn't worth anything, because you can't get an NBA coach to say something bad about another coach. You can't even get other coaches to say something critical about Derek Fisher, you think it means something that they won't criticize George Karl? What do other active players have to say about him?

I'm not seeing this "elite reputation." Karl's reputation appears to be making players sick of him.
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I suggest you look at his coaching record then. Many teams, spanning 4 decades, in either conference. Playoffs, playoffs playoffs. And when he left, generally most of the teams he coached fell off.
 
Ailene is crazy. As we have seen, GK is only concerned about one thing: GK. Add the fact that he already over-stepped his power last summer when he was shoppijg Boogie (after Vlade had already said thats not happening), and you've got a real recipe for trouble. Hell, I suspect GK's camp has been responsible for most of the media leaks this year.

So, Ailene thinks we need to keep a guy like this around??? Hey Ailene, i think you should stick to articles about rippling muscles.
 
Why doesn't the media come out and apply the heat to the coaching staff for the atrocious defense on court and not let up? And by media, I mean Voison and Furillo. When I see THAT, then I'll give two craps about their opinion. BooHoo Voison.
 
dude12 said:
Why doesn't the media come out and apply the heat to the coaching staff for the atrocious defense on court and not let up? And by media, I mean Voison and Furillo. When I see THAT, then I'll give two poopoos about their opinion. BooHoo Voison.
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What's interesting is that a lot of the criticism from Karl has been coming from folks like Christie, Jackson, even Kayte on the radio Wednesday night... people with very close ties to the team.
 
Kind of like in the sopranos when they told Junior he was the boss...but really it was just in title. Tony was really calling the shots and Junior was just obsolete. If it's like that then sure.
 
Im Still Ballin said:
I suggest you look at his coaching record then. Many teams, spanning 4 decades, in either conference. Playoffs, playoffs playoffs. And when he left, generally most of the teams he coached fell off.
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You know what I see when I look at his coaching record? First round and out, first round and out, first round and out.

Have we been to the playoffs in a decade? No. Do I think that Cousins is the kind of player that we need to keep no matter what? No. But, would I trade Cousins to appease Karl? Not only no, but hell no. I've been very consistent about my stance on this: I don't really like Cousins, but I'm not getting rid of him for George ****ing Karl. **** that guy.

I'm not in favor of any proposal that involves keeping Karl, whether we keep Cousins or not.
 
I have to say that Karl was in many ways set up to fail in Sacramento. This was never team constructed to run the kind of high octaine fast paced game he coaches. He did his best to try to get management to loose the big slow footed center that dominated the ball and when that did not happen he tried to turn him into a perimeter player, to help with pace... I am not saying Karl's vision was the best way to go at all, just that Vlade should have either bought in to Karl's vision 100% or found a guy that shared his own vision before the season started. So why move Karl upstairs? Do we suddenly think he had it right all along and the team needs to be run his way? If so Vlade will not have to decide if he wants to keep the core players together as DMC will wisely ask to be traded and WCS will be out the door as soon as possible. Maybe that would be a good thing at least we might be watching a Karl team prepare for an inevitable first round exit instead of wondering if Vlade's collection of old pros can be taught to play the game faster than a bunch of kids, while the kids are forced to sit and watch... Color me jaded, old and sick and tired of drama and power struggles, but dam it all what I want to see is an owner, GM, coach and players all on the same page playing the game we all love in a style they are comfortable with. But if Vlade has a vision for this team that includes defense, big men who stand their ground and play inside then the only front office job for Karl should be receptionist.
 
What a surprise. Blood in the water and out come the sharks. I think Ailene actually hates this team. If you draw a line between all of her opinion pieces dating back at least to the late 90s, I see no other explanation for why she consistently pops up in the middle of every conflict and proceeds to drag people through the mud. Nobody elevates tone deaf to an art form like Ailene.

PS - Either we paid George Karl $4 million dollars for the last 3 weeks or somebody finally did the math correctly on the rest of his contract. :rolleyes:
 
The_Jamal said:
Actually makes some semblance of sense.

Think of this as a PR move to keep elite coaches on the table to want to come here. "Kings assign Karl as VP of blah blah operations" sounds hell of a lot smoother than "Coaching Carousel continues in Sacramento as Kings fire HoF George Karl".

Like it or not Karl IS one of the most respected figures in the league and he does know everybody. I just don't see how any coach worth a damn commits to Sacramento after we kick Karl out after one year. This may be a way to circumvent that.
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I want to hate the idea, but this makes sense.

Give him some BS honorary role. He's getting paid regardless.
 
If we want one unified organization with the same vision, why would we keep Karl around in any capacity?

It's not about his feelings or reputation. It's about the organization. If you keep Karl so he can use his contacts, then he's going to contact those who share HIS vision. I'm not interested. Don't compound the problem. Pay him his money, show him the door, and never make the mistake of hiring a coach before the GM again.
 
I don't want GK anywhere near this team. If they are trying to save face, then I think Vlade should just make GK a "Kings goodwill ambassador" and then use HIS contacts to send Karl off to promote basketball in the far reaches of Siberia.
 
If Vlade and Karl really had a shared philosophy on team building then I could see this being a reasonable thing to recommend. But clearly they don't. A little disagreement is always healthy in an organization and helps people reevaluate their views or forces them to strengthen their case but fundamentally you have to be on the same page.

What Vlade needs is a numbers guy - someone who can work the contracts, salary cap, trade proposals etc so Divac can focus on making decisions and building the team. That's not to say I think Vlade is definitely going to be a great GM. For lots of reasons I certainly hope he is, but it's not an easy gig and often luck plays a substantial role. But while his moves so far haven't paid great dividends I like the logic I see behind them. I think Vlade gets it, I really do.

And because I think he gets it I think there's a nearly zero percent chance that George Karl is fired as coach and moved into the front office.
 
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