Voisin sourced as saying Kings willing to Trade DeMarcus Cousins

Don't know anything about the merits of what Voison is reporting. But it seems to me that it is a sure thing that the Cousins/Karl/Kngs situation is being brought up in every interview to fill ou HC position. And well it should. We all lived with the bad situation this last year. Whether Vlade has made up his mind on Cuz or not or if so, either way, you can't decide on a HC hire without airing the problem with each candidate. I can't imagine a circumstance where it wouldn't. This all leads me to suspect that the issue sn't dead yet, one way or the other.

Actually that's precisely why its not likely to be an issue. This time, finally, the guy making the coaching decision has a relationship with the franchise player, can ask the right questions, and get a feel for how the potential coaches see the situation and might react. And he can make the hire accordingly. No more too many cooks, each with their own agenda and plan. No more doofy people who think that creating friction is a GOOD thing in an organization.
 
Like I said last week, make us an offer, NBA. Looking at you, Danny Ainge. Boogie is a mega talent but selfish, egocentric, moody whiner, with a TS% and assist to turnover ratio and defensive effort over 6 years consistent with the number of wins his team has tallied.

You can have your favorable sentiment towards the guy, but this contradicts some pertinent statistical data on both ends of the floor. High usage and inefficiency on one end as shooter and passer....and questionable defensive effort on the other.

I want to believe in this guy but he makes it difficult with a final game at Arco that was frankly embarrassing. And I think anyone paying close attention should come to similar conclusion.

Boogie became a better player under Karl through the offense Karl designed to maximize Cousins talents....with Rondo as a master set-up man...and still we went nowhere w/ Boogie as the centerpiece, sucking up possession and oxygen from the collective spirit.

And how mentally unstable are you when you get a technical foul when you know said technical results in one game suspension and loss of a decent chunk in money? Are you really that incapable of controlling your emotions?

This has not happened once but twice in two consecutive seasons. Get a grip homie. Anyone that unbalanced is NOT someone I am not super eager to build around with new arena and new coach. A fresh slate seems appropriate especially with WCS position established as more of a center than power forward.

This is the bottom line:

Boogie is a flighty asset who has NOT played in significant NBA games and yet still have found plenty of time to self-implode. So what happens when games actually count in the real playoffs or actual playoff run... neither of which he has ever experienced?

I will tell you what....KA-BOOM. He's going to force shots and commit frustrration fouls and when forced shots and frustration fouls end in predictable result he will blame coach or ref or teammate and anyone but himself.

This is what Vlade is faced with as he tries to elevate team to legitimacy as playoff contender or better. Obviously we do not want to give him away, but fresh start for both parties is most prudent with Boogie to highest bidder....he has two years left on cap friendly deal coming off a 27/11 season. There's a time to field offers and that time is now.

We can try again next year with Boogie, new coach and arena and cast or characters....or we can force teams to overpay this off-season by bidding against each other until no brain proposal is presented. I know what I'd be inclined to do and I think (hope) Vlade shares my sentiment.

Yes let's trade him to Boston and watch him win a ring with IT and guys like you will be bitching to fire vlade.
 
Like I said last week, make us an offer, NBA. Looking at you, Danny Ainge. Boogie is a mega talent but selfish, egocentric, moody whiner, with a TS% and assist to turnover ratio and defensive effort over 6 years consistent with the number of wins his team has tallied.

You can have your favorable sentiment towards the guy, but this contradicts some pertinent statistical data on both ends of the floor. High usage and inefficiency on one end as shooter and passer....and questionable defensive effort on the other.

I want to believe in this guy but he makes it difficult with a final game at Arco that was frankly embarrassing. And I think anyone paying close attention should come to similar conclusion.

Boogie became a better player under Karl through the offense Karl designed to maximize Cousins talents....with Rondo as a master set-up man...and still we went nowhere w/ Boogie as the centerpiece, sucking up possession and oxygen from the collective spirit.

And how mentally unstable are you when you get a technical foul when you know said technical results in one game suspension and loss of a decent chunk in money? Are you really that incapable of controlling your emotions?

This has not happened once but twice in two consecutive seasons. Get a grip homie. Anyone that unbalanced is NOT someone I am not super eager to build around with new arena and new coach. A fresh slate seems appropriate especially with WCS position established as more of a center than power forward.

This is the bottom line:

Boogie is a flighty asset who has NOT played in significant NBA games and yet still have found plenty of time to self-implode. So what happens when games actually count in the real playoffs or actual playoff run... neither of which he has ever experienced?

I will tell you what....KA-BOOM. He's going to force shots and commit frustrration fouls and when forced shots and frustration fouls end in predictable result he will blame coach or ref or teammate and anyone but himself.

This is what Vlade is faced with as he tries to elevate team to legitimacy as playoff contender or better. Obviously we do not want to give him away, but fresh start for both parties is most prudent with Boogie to highest bidder....he has two years left on cap friendly deal coming off a 27/11 season. There's a time to field offers and that time is now.

We can try again next year with Boogie, new coach and arena and cast or characters....or we can force teams to overpay this off-season by bidding against each other until no brain proposal is presented. I know what I'd be inclined to do and I think (hope) Vlade shares my sentiment.

Danny Ainge shares your sentiment.
 
Without reading anything but the title of this thread, you have got to be willing to do anything to make this team better. If someone absolutely blows us away with an offer, we'd be fools not to listen...
 
Danny Ainge shares your sentiment.
And this is a guy who offered FOUR 1st rounders for Justice Winslow and was turned down by the Hornets. We outta to be able to squeeze Ainge for plenty for the most talented big man in the game. I hope the Cs get lucky in the lotto so we can trade:

#1 pick in draft (Ben Simmons)
Marcus Smart
Jae Crowder
Kelly Olynyk
1st round pick (#23 overall)

for

Boogie
Ben
Marco

Really put the screws to them....and if they want Boogie bad enough force them to pay steep price. Ask for the moon with intention to keep him then agree only when they make a Godfather offer. That's what Vlade should do. Whether he does is doubtful. Maybe the new hire can assist in this regard.
 
And this is a guy who offered FOUR 1st rounders for Justice Winslow and was turned down by the Hornets. We outta to be able to squeeze Ainge for plenty for the most talented big man in the game. I hope the Cs get lucky in the lotto so we can trade:

#1 pick in draft (Ben Simmons)
Marcus Smart
Jae Crowder
Kelly Olynyk
1st round pick (#23 overall)

for

Boogie
Ben
Marco

Really put the screws to them....and if they want Boogie bad enough force them to pay steep price. Ask for the moon with intention to keep him then agree only when they make a Godfather offer. That's what Vlade should do. Whether he does is doubtful. Maybe the new hire can assist in this regard.


I only have one thing to say, you only win championships in the NBA with a franchise player. There would have been no championships without Steph Curry in Golden State, Tim Duncan in San Antonio, Lebron in Miami, Nowitzki in Dallas, Kobe in LA...

Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and Kelly Olynyk are not franchise players. Ben Simmons and unnamed draft pick(s) are unproven to even be able to play in the NBA.

Oh and last but certainly not least, pass whatever you've been smoking.
 
I only have one thing to say, you only win championships in the NBA with a franchise player. There would have been no championships without Steph Curry in Golden State, Tim Duncan in San Antonio, Lebron in Miami, Nowitzki in Dallas, Kobe in LA...

Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and Kelly Olynyk are not franchise players. Ben Simmons and unnamed draft pick(s) are unproven to even be able to play in the NBA.

Oh and last but certainly not least, pass whatever you've been smoking.

lol seriously. after your done puffing, pass my way. i'm gonna fill my lungs w/ whatever that good ish is
 
Voisin is salty. Straight up. She thinks Kayte is stealing her thunder or something. Shes just trying to stay relevant.
 
And this is a guy who offered FOUR 1st rounders for Justice Winslow and was turned down by the Hornets. We outta to be able to squeeze Ainge for plenty for the most talented big man in the game. I hope the Cs get lucky in the lotto so we can trade:

#1 pick in draft (Ben Simmons)
Marcus Smart
Jae Crowder
Kelly Olynyk
1st round pick (#23 overall)

for

Boogie
Ben
Marco

Really put the screws to them....and if they want Boogie bad enough force them to pay steep price. Ask for the moon with intention to keep him then agree only when they make a Godfather offer. That's what Vlade should do. Whether he does is doubtful. Maybe the new hire can assist in this regard.

If the plan is to get Ben Simmons the Kings should've kept George Karl. At his best in transition and with his only offense in the half court being to attack the basket off the dribble to either score or kick out.

In a normal scheme I struggle to see how Simmons becomes an effective player in the half court. When teams back off and dare him to shoot he becomes completely passive. There's a reason some have asked if he's shooting with the wrong hand.

And from what I've seen I seriously doubt that he has the passion and drive to develop his jumper to where it needs to be for him to succeed in the NBA. And you essentially have to build your team around him and put the ball in his hands to run the team because asking him to play off the ball takes away what strengths he has.

I look at Simmons and see a PF version of Rondo in terms of skill but with the mindset of Michael Beasley. I get frustrated watching Cousins but at least I feel like he cares. I'd take Ingram over Simmons even though I have plenty of questions about Ingram's drive too. But I think Ingram at least becomes a high level role player if he fills out.

I don't see a franchise player at the top of this draft. It's why I keep saying I think it's a bad offseason to try and move Cousins.

Cauley-Stein/Koufos
Simmons/Olynyk
Gay/Crowder/Casspi
Belinelli/J Anderson
Collison/Smart

And the players drafted at #8 (I'd love Dunn, Brown or Hield but I think Poeltl, Chriss or Ellenson are more likely) & #23 (Ulis? Zubac? Beasley? Maker?) doesn't strike me as an upgraded roster or even one with a really bright future.
 
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If the plan is to get Ben Simmons the Kings should've kept George Karl. At his best in transition and with his only offense in the half court being to attack the basket off the dribble to either score or kick out.

In a normal scheme I struggle to see how Simmons becomes an effective player in the half court. When teams back off and dare him to shoot he becomes completely passive. There's a reason some have asked if he's shooting with the wrong hand.

And from what I've seen I seriously doubt that he has the passion and drive to develop his jumper to where it needs to be for him to succeed in the NBA. And you essentially have to build your team around him and put the ball in his hands to run the team because asking him to play off the ball takes away what strengths he has.

I look at Simmons and see a PF version of Rondo in terms of skill but with the mindset of Michael Beasley. I get frustrated watching Cousins but at least I feel like he cares. I'd take Ingram over Simmons even though I have plenty of questions about Ingram's drive too. But I think Ingram at least becomes a high level role player if he fills out.

I don't see a franchise player at the top of this draft. It's why I keep saying I think it's a bad offseason to try and move Cousins.

Cauley-Stein/Koufos
Simmons/Olynyk
Gay/Crowder/Casspi
Belinelli/J Anderson
Collison/Smart

And the players drafted at #8 (I'd love Dunn, Brown or Hield but I think Poeltl, Chriss or Ellenson are more likely) & #23 (Ulis? Zubac? Beasley? Maker?) doesn't strike me as an upgraded roster or even one with a really bright future.

Agreed, draft picks are always a risk. Especially when the consensus is that there is not a player at the level of Karl Anthony Towns in this draft. Once again this trade DeMarcus nonsense is circulating the internet. And the trades offered are second rate at best.
 
Agreed, draft picks are always a risk. Especially when the consensus is that there is not a player at the level of Karl Anthony Towns in this draft. Once again this trade DeMarcus nonsense is circulating the internet. And the trades offered are second rate at best.

If this was last year's draft and KAT was on the table (with other assets to make the salaries match/compensate for the risk of trading a known all-star for a draft pick) then I'd be okay with pulling the trigger.

This isn't the 2000 NBA draft but it's weak and doesn't have can't miss guys at the top.
 
This isn't the 2000 NBA draft but it's weak and doesn't have can't miss guys at the top.
Holy crap, you just made me look up that draft. Wow lol that crap was bad. Hedo and Jamal Crawford and that's about it. Kenyon was pretty good too but not a normal number 1 type.

Michael Redd in the 2nd round.
 
Anybody read Andy Furillo's hit piece on Cousins and Vlade he published this morning? It's so obvious he has a personal axe to grind with the organization I don't know how he doesn't get forced back to writing baseball (Billy Beane) hit pieces.
 
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Anybody read Andy Furillo's hit piece on Cousins and Vlade he published this morning? It's so obvious he has a personal axe to grind with the organization I don't know how he doesn't get forced back to writing baseball Billy Beane hit pieces.

My favorite part...

"Asked if he considered himself a good teammate, Cousins inferred that there are "three people" who say he is not. He did not identify them. Were they teammates? If so, that is a very significant percentage of his locker room."

Can you be any more clueless?

Memo to Andy: Those three people you cannot seem to identify are Grant Napear, Ailene Voisin, and (wait for it) Andy Furillo.
 
My favorite part...

"Asked if he considered himself a good teammate, Cousins inferred that there are "three people" who say he is not. He did not identify them. Were they teammates? If so, that is a very significant percentage of his locker room."

Can you be any more clueless?

Memo to Andy: Those three people you cannot seem to identify are Grant Napear, Ailene Voisin, and (wait for it) Andy Furillo.

I, like you, thought the 3 he referred to was pretty obvious. Of course, that wouldn't fit well into Andy's narrative.
 
Regardless of whether this article is true or not, Kings should get a coach who can adapt various styles to various players. If they get a coach whose main calling card is a slower pace structured offense to facilitate the big man, such coach could become obsolete shortly because Cousins may not be a King within the next two years, either because Kings don't want him, or he doesn't want to be a King.
 
Cuz is a rare athlete that likes Sac from the get go. That's my favorite part about him.

Stop fake swinging at fools and quit bitching on court. Just play basketball like you say you want to do.

Get in with our new coach the day of. Call him if needed. Respect.
 
Regardless of whether this article is true or not, Kings should get a coach who can adapt various styles to various players. If they get a coach whose main calling card is a slower pace structured offense to facilitate the big man, such coach could become obsolete shortly because Cousins may not be a King within the next two years, either because Kings don't want him, or he doesn't want to be a King.

This is true regardless IMO. I have always felt that any good Coach is willing to adapt. The ones who can only run "their" system will only succeed in certain situations.
 
Since he specifically mentioned Ailene and Andy by name it kinda leaves little room for speculation. :p
Check out Carmichael Dave's Twitter feed, Furillo responds after Dave points out "the 3" are media personalities...he has no clue. He obviously wrote another Cousins article without listening to Dave's interview this week...totally inexcusable if Cousins is your subject matter.
 
This is the new age we live in. With all the online news sources, fan sites, etc. etc., columnists are under more pressure than ever to come up with something -- anything. Unfortunately, the results are rarely based on factual info or trustworthy sources. They are so desperate for readers, they are willing to essentially make things up and/or stand upon soapboxes making bold statements to get people interested in their content. Controversy sells.

The attacks on Cousins have been consistent and relentless. And for what reason? He's the team best player and pretty much the only one the National media pays any attention to so the local hacks know that it will go further.

In Peaches case, he thinks so much of himself that he truly believes this personal campaign will eventually get Boogie shipped out of town. I wish Vivek would recognize the catty nature of this guy and send him back to New York. Let the G-Man simulcast the games.
 
I only have one thing to say, you only win championships in the NBA with a franchise player. There would have been no championships without Steph Curry in Golden State, Tim Duncan in San Antonio, Lebron in Miami, Nowitzki in Dallas, Kobe in LA...

Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and Kelly Olynyk are not franchise players. Ben Simmons and unnamed draft pick(s) are unproven to even be able to play in the NBA.

Oh and last but certainly not least, pass whatever you've been smoking.

You make a fair point, but in Miami they do have a player by the same of Dwyane Wade who has been one of the best at his position in his era and has been a big part of their three championships (two of which they won with LeBron) and they also had Chris Bosh contributing to a high level as well. Would they have won without LeBron? Tough to say, but they would certainly have competed with a Wade-Bosh duo (if healthy).

Same goes for the Spurs. In 1999 and 2003 they had David Robinson paired with Tim Duncan, both will be HOF players, and in 2003, 2005 and 2007 they had Tony Parker contributing to a high level. And their last championship in 2014 Khawi Leonard broke out and has become a franchise player for them. Would they have won this many championships without Tim Duncan? Maybe 2005, 2007 and 2014 might be debatable without Tim Duncan. But they could certainly have competed for championships with David Robinson.

Kobe has been a huge factor in the Lakers, but three of his five championships were won when he was paired with Shaq (he was the MVP in all three championships). Would the Lakers have won a championship with just Shaq? Maybe with the level he was playing at. Kobe's fourth and fifth championships are tied to him carrying them, though he was supported by a prime Pau Gasol.

Golden State probably wouldn't have beaten the Cavs without Curry, but with how Klay Thompson and Draymond Green have developed, combined with their entire team playing as a cohesive unit, I think they would be a contender in the west without Curry.

And Dallas, well, they have been carried by Nowitzki for a long time. Take him away and I don't think they would have been a play off team, or at least not much in his era. So in that instance without Nowitzki the Mavericks would have been one of the worst teams.

Now this does back up your point that to win championships you need star talent, but in four of the five examples they do/did have other franchise caliber players paired with the one you mentioned, and to be honest, I think some of them could have competed for and maybe even won a championship without them. That said, our chances of competing for and winning a championship disappear with Cousins out of the door unless we managed to land another star in return for him that helps us build a more cohesive starting unit.
 
Should we consider trading Cousins?

No, but I could understand them thinking about it because he is only under contract for two more years before becoming an unrestricted free agent. While there is a belief among some fans that Cousins will re-sign with us even if we aren't a play off team because he loves Sacramento and wants to win in Sacramento, we may have to prepare ourselves for the possibility that we could lose our franchise player in two seasons time if we haven't become at least a play off team. At the end of the day for every Dirk Nowitzki, there is a LaMarcus Aldridge that walks away from a team he's spent many years with for a better opportunity. So our front office would be doing the smart thing by considering their options regarding Cousins and what his value on the market is because the last thing we want is two years from now Cousins walking away and leaving us in a right mess. We aren't a team that could attract a new superstar in free agency. And in all likelihood with our draft pick situation we aren't in the best of shape to hit the rebuild button. So if there is a belief in our front office that Cousins could leave, or that he is part of the problem with his attitude, then maybe they do consider trading him before his contract runs out for a King's ransom. It might not be the popular option for us as a fan base, but it is a possibility that our front office decide to blow things up and start afresh if they think this team can't get good enough to compete, and in turn, lose its franchise player two years from now.
 
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