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Ailene Voisin: Petrie's hand will be forced if team continues to flop

By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Sports Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Monday, November 14, 2005


Whether owed to intelligent design or simply the evolutionary, natural order of things, the Kings have arrived at a place that is putting the squeeze on basketball president Geoff Petrie. A few more games like this - lack of energy, lack of teamwork, lack of fundamentals, lack of anything that warrants the familiar, full-throated support of the Arco Arena crowd - and the Big Boss will be forced to make an excruciatingly difficult, emotional move.

He will have to change coaches, change directions, adjust the attitude.

He will have to silence the crowd.

Or when was the last time the Kings were booed on four separate occasions, booed as they trudged off the court, dispirited losers of a 105-95 decision Sunday night to the previously 0-5 New York Knicks? The grumbles about head coach Rick Adelman are becoming louder and more pronounced. The season-ticket holders are griping less about the price of admission than the quality of the effort. Acknowledging the changing face of the franchise necessitated by the health of Chris Webber and Bobby Jackson, along with the advanced age of Vlade Divac and Doug Christie, most Kings partisans are patiently awaiting Petrie's next masterful rebuilding project. There is a grudging acceptance of the obvious need to move on.

But not like this, not at this point of the season. The league's most loyal, impassioned fans deserve more, certainly more inspired, enthusiastic performances than what the Kings have delivered of late.

"Come on, guys, act like you care," bellowed one fan seated behind the press table.

"Did you guys already quit?" yelled another.

Certainly it appears so, that the players are no longer responding as Adelman begins his eighth season here as head coach - an eternity by NBA standards. Utah's Jerry Sloan is an anamoly, an NBA freak of nature. Most coaches cite four to five years in one location as the outer limits of sustained employment. And while every coach is subjected to second-guessing on the airwaves and in print, the Kings' ongoing dilemma is less about X's and O's than about heart and soul.

Are they listening? Do they still hear him? Is he still able to inspire, long one of Adelman's strengths? For whatever reason, it simply isn't happening, not on defense, where the Kings appear sluggish, repeatedly failing to converge in the lane (relinquishing a stunning 52 points in the paint to these Knicks), and on offense, where the scheme seems ill-suited for the current assemblage of starters. There is no semblance of a collective commitment, or even of feistiness, and the body language is acutely troubling; this is a dead team walking. "We had no communication out there tonight," said Mike Bibby. "We need to work out our problems because I know they can be fixed."

These Kings might not be contenders, but surely they are better than they have displayed, clearly too deep and too talented to allow a formerly winless New York club to waltz into Arco and sprint out with its first victory. The Knicks and new coach Larry Brown needed a victory in the worst way.

Yeah, well, so did the Kings. Yet once again, they squandered the best homecourt advantage in the league, provoking deserved catcalls and criticism almost shockingly uncommon in this old barn of a building. Besides allowing the visitors to dominate the basket area, the Kings committed 21 turnovers, often because of a basic failure to move the basketball.

Shareef Abdur-Rahim belongs in the low post, and when not otherwise being the recipient of Brad Miller's crisp, creative passes, more swiftly passing out to open teammates. Bonzi Wells needs to stop fretting about his reputation and let loose with a few demonstrative dunks. Miller has to reassert himself as a bruiser underneath. Peja Stojakovic has to repeat his 31-point, eight-rebound, two-assist performance and absolutely should be the Kings' No.1 offensive weapon. And Bibby has to find his game, then find Peja.

"I don't know what it is," the dejected point guard said afterward. "The system ... I can't seem to get him (Stojakovic) the ball."

The voices in the locker room have become a siren song, confusion and dysfunction reigning. Kenny Thomas wonders why he isn't playing. Brian Skinner can't get on the floor. Same for the physically punishing Corliss Williamson. Newcomer Jason Hart even openly questioned the team's mental preparation. "We didn't have the correct approach to the game," he said Sunday night.

So if you're Petrie? So if this continues? He will be out of options, forced to make the logical, if painful decision, never mind the absence of an obvious (and defensive-minded) replacement. He will have to cut the cord.


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Voisin must be beside herself with glee. She gets to advocate the removal of the hated RAdelman under the guise of showing concern for and about the fans.
I only have one thing to comment on:

Miller has to reassert himself as a bruiser underneath.

Um, what????

 
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and absolutely should be the Kings' No.1 offensive weapon

I know there are Peja-homers ... but let's just be honest ...

On what planet should a spot up, jump shooter that can't create his own shot be the number 1 option on offense?

With Ray Allen - it makes sense - he's a very smart player. He drives and finishes very efficiently. He can get his shot off from anywhere and it's a very effective shot. He's got moves on moves.

Peja ... is well ... Peja. He's not going to blow by anyone. He can't finish very well and he isn't about to drive in 10 feet and hit the fade away. He's best when he can set his feet and be the recipient of a nice pass. He's best when his man was picked and he gets the ball on a curl with no one around him.

A first option has to be able to create.

Peja should possibly get the most "shots", but I completely disagree about being the first option and finding him all the time. He's just not that type of player.
 
Ryle - Well, of course you do... so I hope you won't be too disappointed when Adelman is eventually removed and the team doesn't miraculously right itself.

Yes, it's more and more likely Adelman will be the obvious first change. But it's not going to right this ship... not if that's the only thing that is done.

Sorry, Ryle, but you've blamed Adelman for every single problem the Kings have had. In all honesty, I would give your assessments more credence if you weren't so convinced he is the one main problem facing our team.
 
wouldn't "most shots" be the same as first option ?

Nobody else can hit a shot at the moment so what choice do we have
 
VF21 said:
Ryle - Well, of course you do... so I hope you won't be too disappointed when Adelman is eventually removed and the team doesn't miraculously right itself.

Yes, it's more and more likely Adelman will be the obvious first change. But it's not going to right this ship... not if that's the only thing that is done.
I agree.

RA isn't the culprit of the problems on this team - in my opinion.

Changing coaches this season will only insure that we are a lottery team, in my estimation. If RA isn't motivating the players to play properly, do you think some no-name substitute is going to earn it?

How many times does a coaching change in midseason (or early season) pay off?
 
I think it is no longer a question of if, but when Adelman will go. Then we will all finally get to see if Ryle knows what he is talking about. Don't get me wrong Ryle, you definately could end up being right... but If this keeps up I think we are going to get a chance to see very soon.
 
We should create a poll to ask who is going to be the scapegoat when Adelman gets fired, and the team is still sorry. Because they *will* still be sorry.
 
piksi said:
wouldn't "most shots" be the same as first option ?

No.

A first option is the guy that touches the ball the most.

What I was saying is that I don't care who ends up with the most shots ... I don't have a bias there. I do care how the offense is run and running it to Peja isn't going to bring us anywhere. Peja is inconsistant.

Nobody else can hit a shot at the moment so what choice do we have

What are you talking about.

Peja is the only one jacking up a ton of shots - but Reef is hitting a pretty high percentage of his shots.

The post is just consistant. Every game, you can be pretty assured that the shots will fall. The same can't be said of a jump shooter.

Personally, I think that the shot distribution should be something like:

Bibby: 8-10
Bonzi: 6-10
Miller: 8-10
Reef: 16-18
Peja: 16-18

You then monopolize the best post player and the best shooter. If they play off each other - we'd have success. Whenever we've made a concerted effort to work the post - we have success. It's not a coincidence.

I'm a Reef homer. I admit it. So, there is a bit of bias. But, inside of that bias is a lot of truth. We can't expect consistant success from a jump shooter that can't create his own shot. He NEEDS to play off of Miller in the high post and Reef in the low post.
 
Adleman needed to go a long time ago, when this team was championship caliber. Right now, firing Adleman would help how? And who would replace him? There's noone good available out there. Yes, Rick is allergic to defense and althletic bodies, but it's the offensive dissaray thats disturbing.

As much as I have wanted to get rid of Adleman in the past, I just don't see the point in doing so now. They should have done it when it could have meant a championship.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
We should create a poll to ask who is going to be the scapegoat when Adelman gets fired, and the team is still sorry. Because they *will* still be sorry.

Indeed. The last thing this team needs is more changes. The guys need to get to know and trust each others games. Switching out the coach isn't going to fix that, it's just going to create even more discontinuity.

The Kings are a talented bunch that needs to transform into a team. It's going to take time.
 
piksi said:
He had 6 TOs last night and is missing FTs.

So, he had a bad night - but still contributed 6 assists and 13 rebounds.

His FT shot will come. I mean, I've never seen him shoot this low of a percentage.

I'm not advocating Reef for president here. I'm advocating utilizing the post as a set up for the deep ball. Right now we use the deep ball to open up the deep ball. It's ridiculous.

It's like football. You control the ground game to open up the deep pass. It works because teams have to stop the run. You have to give effort to stop it. Little to no effort is required to stop a jump shot.

I'm not saying Reef is first fiddle and Peja is second fiddle. I think in order to have success, we need them both to play the same damn song on their collective fiddles.

And he know how to get us to POs.

yeah right

And Peja has led the team to the playoffs?

Come on. Not one player on this roster was irreplacable during the Webber era. They contributed, but Webber was the key cog. He was the Tim Duncan.

Look, the simple fact is - there is no such thing as "knowing how to lead a team to the playoffs".
 
KP said:
What are you talking about?

It's a "media term".

Does Tim Duncan KNOW how to get to the playoffs or does he play a solid game and have solid talent around him?

I'm sorry, but I don't think that Tim Duncan on the old Vancouver Grizzlies roster makes the playoffs. He makes a difference and they win maybe an extra 5-10 games. But, they don't transform into something they weren't.

It's media garbage. It gives them something to say to waste time.
 
playmaker0017 said:
It's a "media term".

Does Tim Duncan KNOW how to get to the playoffs or does he play a solid game and have solid talent around him?

I'm sorry, but I don't think that Tim Duncan on the old Vancouver Grizzlies roster makes the playoffs. He makes a difference and they win maybe an extra 5-10 games. But, they don't transform into something they weren't.

It's media garbage. It gives them something to say to waste time.
It's the NBA, you win or lose on the strength of your stars, it's always been that way. whether it's MJ, Magic, Bird, or Rip and Chauncy for Detroit. You have to have dominant players you can go to for a basket when you need one that will exert their will and get it for you. As far as what the Spurs are or are not, they are a team that has won 3 titles in th last few years. Without Duncan they don't win any, how's that for a transformation?
 
playmaker0017 said:
I'm a Reef homer. I admit it. So, there is a bit of bias. But, inside of that bias is a lot of truth. We can't expect consistant success from a jump shooter that can't create his own shot. He NEEDS to play off of Miller in the high post and Reef in the low post.

So you've decided to assume this persona and abandon the other?
 
VF21 said:
So you've decided to assume this persona and abandon the other?

Hardeeharhar.

Yes, I know ... I've got no other persona. I'm Reef through and through. But, I still want the best for whatever team he's on.

So, just because I'm a bit of a one-note tune doesn't mean I don't have a thoughtful analysis.
 
KP said:
It's the NBA, you win or lose on the strength of your stars, it's always been that way. whether it's MJ, Magic, Bird, or Rip and Chauncy for Detroit. You have to have dominant players you can go to for a basket when you need one that will exert their will and get it for you.

I won't argue that.

But I will argue that that's talent. It's not about knowing "how to get to the playoffs".

Reef is a talented player that was exiled to crap teams. Peja is a talented player that played on great teams.

Saying that Reef doesn't "know how to get to the playoffs" is absurd.

KG missed the playoffs last year with an EXTREMELY talented squad. It's not just one player ... it's a team game.

What you failed to mention is that EVERY ONE of those teams has a solid system and everyone accepts their role. They have a defined structure that gets them the best out of their talents.

Peja's strength is set shooting. If his feet are set, is there anyone more dangerous?

Reef's strength is low post play. If he gets the ball against single coverage, he can't be covered easily.

So, asking Peja to run around creating his shot is playing away from his strength. Asking Reef to sit at the high post and put his thumb in his butt is playing away from his strength.

You maximize this teams potential if you utilize Reef's strength and then key off that to Peja's strength. The low post DRAWS doubles, which allows spot shooters to set their feet and await the open shot.
 
playmaker0017 said:
Hardeeharhar.

Yes, I know ... I've got no other persona. I'm Reef through and through. But, I still want the best for whatever team he's on.

So, just because I'm a bit of a one-note tune doesn't mean I don't have a thoughtful analysis.

I think you know exactly what I'm talking about, since you only started posting under this name (with your cousin standing over your shoulder) during the time your other account was under suspension.

It's cool. I have no problem whatsoever with your analyses.

;)
 
swisshh said:
Adleman needed to go a long time ago, when this team was championship caliber. Right now, firing Adleman would help how? And who would replace him? There's noone good available out there. Yes, Rick is allergic to defense and althletic bodies, but it's the offensive dissaray thats disturbing.

As much as I have wanted to get rid of Adleman in the past, I just don't see the point in doing so now. They should have done it when it could have meant a championship.


Seems amnesia is rampant. Adelman plays the bodies he is given. When the kings consisted of good athletes, it was an athletic team. Webb was a good athlete (when healthy). Bobby J, Hedo, Jimmy Jackson, lots of good athletes have played good athletic ball with the kings. It's Mr. Geoff "wonder boy" Petrie who has stacked the team with gravitationally challenged non athletes. In fact, when a player demonstrates (like Greg Ostertag) that they are not trying to work out and better themselves, they get benched by Coach. Vlade is the exception.

Everyone talked about Brad Miller being like Vlade. Well, he is in part. He, like Vlade, does not like to work out. However, Vlade was bigger, smarter and tougher than Brad. Again, Petrie's choice.

Peja is a permanently moody wuss who shows up when he damn well feels like it, and not a moment before or after.

BTW, up until last season I was a big fan of Petrie. I tried to stay optimistic after the Webber trade, but we STILL have the contract weight from the trade and no true star. That's on Petrie and the owners, as well as the luck of the draw. Can't just wish for a suitable star to be available.

Adelman will be fired, but it's Petrie that needs to go.
 
An excellent job by AV, as always. She kept most of her insults in the realm of back-handed compliments in an attempt to want what is best for the team (of course).

Still, I think there's an argument that's been made again and again on this board about whether Adelman just can't coach defense, or whether his players just can't play defense. I'm inclined to believe it's more of the latter than the former, as from his starting 5, Adelman has not one defender than can be considered good. Peja may be an above-average man-to-man defender, but his team defense is lacking. Reef = undersized; BMiller and Bibby = unathletic; Bonzi = actually, haven't seen enough of him play, but he's not known as a stopper, so I'm not going to give him credit for it now.

The bench doesn't help too much. Hart is better than Bibby, but that's a pretty low hurdle; KT is another undersized PF, Skinner is an undersized C, and Martin is an undersized NBA player, period (although he's making strides).

As for the team playing with no heart, part of that blame falls on Adelman. But that blame also falls on Bibby and Peja, the Kings' veterans who are probably both longing for the "glory days" right now as much (if not more) than those of us here on kingsfans.com, as life was much easier for each when CWebb, Vlade and DC were around. I, for one, wonder if either player will ever be as effective as he was when paired with those other three. If so, great. If not, that's not necessarily something that is entirely the fault of either Bibby or Peja, imho. But if this team is going to play with heart, it's going to have to start with those two as much as it will start with Adelman.
 
VF21 said:
Ryle - Well, of course you do... so I hope you won't be too disappointed when Adelman is eventually removed and the team doesn't miraculously right itself.

Yes, it's more and more likely Adelman will be the obvious first change. But it's not going to right this ship... not if that's the only thing that is done.

Sorry, Ryle, but you've blamed Adelman for every single problem the Kings have had. In all honesty, I would give your assessments more credence if you weren't so convinced he is the one main problem facing our team.

Whatever VF......last night at the game the Kings made a run and the Knicks called time out. Adelman stood around for awhile and then talked to his assistant coaches. He then grabbed his clipboard and moved his chair in front of the team to diagram a play. When he was doing this Bibby was sitting about 10 feet away and looking into the crowd WHILE HIS COACH WAS DIAGRAMING THE NEXT PLAY and didn't even seem interested. The ball came in and it was passed to Bibby and he took a shot with about 20 seconds left on the shot clock and Adelman basically threw his hands up in the air and walked back and sat down. Do you think he is listening to his coach??? Did Adelman do anything about it???

No, this is my problem with him. He does not hold his players accountable for taking plays off or not playing defense and this cheats not only a season ticket holder like myself but fans in general.
 
VF21 said:


Shareef Abdur-Rahim belongs in the low post, and when not otherwise being the recipient of Brad Miller's crisp, creative passes, more swiftly passing out to open teammates. Bonzi Wells needs to stop fretting about his reputation and let loose with a few demonstrative dunks. Miller has to reassert himself as a bruiser underneath. Peja Stojakovic has to repeat his 31-point, eight-rebound, two-assist performance and absolutely should be the Kings' No.1 offensive weapon. And Bibby has to find his game, then find Peja.


I agree with Ailene for once.
 
Ryle said:
Whatever VF......last night at the game the Kings made a run and the Knicks called time out. Adelman stood around for awhile and then talked to his assistant coaches. He then grabbed his clipboard and moved his chair in front of the team to diagram a play. When he was doing this Bibby was sitting about 10 feet away and looking into the crowd WHILE HIS COACH WAS DIAGRAMING THE NEXT PLAY and didn't even seem interested. The ball came in and it was passed to Bibby and he took a shot with about 20 seconds left on the shot clock and Adelman basically threw his hands up in the air and walked back and sat down. Do you think he is listening to his coach??? Did Adelman do anything about it???

No, this is my problem with him. He does not hold his players accountable for taking plays off or not playing defense and this cheats not only a season ticket holder like myself but fans in general.

I'm not arguing that at least some of the players are apparently tuning him out. I'm not arguing that it may, in fact, be time for a change.

All I'm trying to say is that there is a LOT more wrong with this franchise right now than the name on the door of the coach's office. It's not like Larry Brown stepping into Detroit. First, there is no available Larry Brown. Second, our roster is NOTHING like what Detroit was...

KingKong - What part do you agree with? The "Miller has to reassert himself as a bruiser underneath" part? If so, could you refresh my memory because I certainly cannot remember the time when Miller WAS a bruiser underneath...
 
VF21 said:
If so, could you refresh my memory because I certainly cannot remember the time when Miller WAS a bruiser underneath...

I keep hearing of his fabled past as a "bruiser," or a particularly "nasty" player who liked to "bang around" down low.

Didn't see enough games of his before he was traded to Sac to know if its true, but it certainly hasn't been since he's been here.
 
GoGoGadget said:
I keep hearing of his fabled past as a "bruiser," or a particularly "nasty" player who liked to "bang around" down low.

Didn't see enough games of his before he was traded to Sac to know if its true, but it certainly hasn't been since he's been here.

he's been known to set a nasty screen or two...but yeah, definitely not a bruiser.
 
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