Unbelievable...

[xelxock]

Hard to believe that whoever made the final decision to trade Eddie House, Bobby Jackson and Darius Songaila for the current bench is still employed! Inconsistency has become the norm for the starters, as well. How long before lackluster and half-hearted performance begins to affect the Kings' always-presumed "loyal" fan base?

 

[Kings113]

We traded B-Jax to get Bonzi. Songaila, at the time, wouldn't of been getting much PT behind SAR and KT. House was forgotten about, and am glad he's found a niche and home now.

 

[Yoda]

While I agree with you that Petire should be unemployed, I find your comments about the "presumed loyal fan base" to be trollish and offensive.

 

[Zyphen]

The real major screw-up in the offseason was letting Mobley walk for nothing. He was worth more than the rest of our crap combined. And if I exaggerate, it's not by much. I could just see Mobley+Peja for Pierce+filler on the table and Petrie not willing to deal his golden boy.

 

[VF21]

The thread is worthy of discussion, but please - keep your comments civil and about the topic at hand. Digs about the "loyal fan base" not withstanding, this isn't something that isn't already being talked about...

 

[xelxock]

The thread is worthy of discussion, but please - keep your comments civil and about the topic at hand. Digs about the "loyal fan base" not withstanding, this isn't something that isn't already being talked about...

10-4

 

[BMiller52]

geoff should've kept mobley...bonzi can play the 3.

 

[VF21]

It wasn't Geoff's decision to make about Mobley. Cuttino chose to exercise his player's option.

 

[BMiller52]

It wasn't Geoff's decision to make about Mobley. Cuttino chose to exercise his player's option.

resign him for a lot of money, trade peja.

 

[D-Mass]

resign him for a lot of money, trade peja.

Another shooter who plays sub-par defense making a lot of money? And one reluctant to pass?

Ugh...

Now a sign and trade involving Cuttino...that I would have liked.

 

[Yoda]

Another shooter who plays sub-par defense making a lot of money? And one reluctant to pass?

Ugh...

Now a sign and trade involving Cuttino...that I would have liked.

who happens to be playing for the 1st place team in our division.

I would have loved to see a sign and trade.

 

[BMiller52]

yeah but he can actually score in the 4th quarter. Mobley's defence before he got here wasn't that bad anyways. Here's what I would've done(Before nene tears his knee up because he's pushed by duncan or whatever)

Resign Cat
Trade peja to denver for Nene+lets say earl boykins
MLE Darius+mo+house


our team after this:
Bibby/boykins/house
Mobley/mo/martin
Bonzi/mo/corliss
NeNe/darius/kenny
Brad/Skinner/Nene

that's better than what we have now...

 

[captain bill]

Mobley was not going to sign here, and that's the bottom line. He was offered more to get traded by the Kings, but he chose to sign with the Clips because he wanted to be in LA. Petrie tried very hard to get something done with him, but ultimately he couldn't stop Cuttino from doing what he wanted to do.

Jackson was not trade for the bench, he was trade for Bonzi Wells. This was the right move- Wells right now is contributing much more than Tag and Jackson would.

House and Songaila walked because Petrie thought that money could be spent better elsewhere. That money turned into Shareef, luck or not on Petrie's part. Had they been resigned we would look like this:
Bibby/House
Wells
Peja
Thomas/Songaila
Miller
Not much of an improvement, IMO. Maybe Kenny would have continued to play well without SAR, but he might just as well have fallen flat again, as he probably didn't like Darius encroaching on his minutes and got out of his "I just broke out of Philly" mode.

There was really no winning hand this offseason. Petrie can't just trade for Kevin Garnett. Believe it or not, reality constrains what can and cannot be done. Players and GMs have their own desires and look out for their own bottom lines. This offseason worked out as well as it possibly could. Hart was a solid pickup, Thomas was supposed to play well of the bench, and Garcia was praised as a steal in the draft. The future is unpredictable. At the time, Geoff did everything as well as he could. This failure is out of his hands. Blame should lie with the players and the coaching staff.

Now, I think it may be time for a change at GM anyways. Petrie is still offense-first, and his unwillingness (perceived) to trade Peja for Artest is baffling. If that offer is available and he balks at it, then we have something to talk about.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Being a revisionist GM is extremely easy to do. I'm sure if Portland had to do things over again they wouldn't have selected Sam Bowie ahead of someone named Michael Jordan in the '84 draft. With that said, Cat walked on his own. Sure, we could have resigned him, but he didn't fit here and it would have been tough to sign him for more than what LA gave him and then trade him. Darius was unsignable since we used all of the MLE on Reef (good move) and House, as mentioned above was forgotten. It would be great to have Bobby here, but it's even nicer to have Bonzi. Petrie should be judged on the next move he makes and whether or not he can retool this team before its way too late.

 

[captain bill]

yeah but he can actually score in the 4th quarter. Mobley's defence before he got here wasn't that bad anyways. Here's what I would've done(Before nene tears his knee up because he's pushed by duncan or whatever)

Resign Cat
Trade peja to denver for Nene+lets say earl boykins
MLE Darius+mo+house


our team after this:
Bibby/boykins/house
Mobley/mo/martin
Bonzi/mo/corliss
NeNe/darius/kenny
Brad/Skinner/Nene

that's better than what we have now...

Denver says no. They made it abundantly clear that they like Nene and Sac had nothing that they wanted.

And- anything looks better on paper than the product on the court. In the offseason, before you knew that this season would go south, I'm sure you would have taken the current lineup over that one. Nene may be a little better than SAR, but Mobley is a downgrade from Peja. A good shooter, but not as good, and plays just as bad D.

 

[DocHolliday]

I would sure love to have Darius over KT. Darius wasn't super athletic, but he had a nice shot from the elbow, and could go inside and bang. I'd sure like to have Eddie house to. Although he had the same defensive problems that Bibby does.

 

[ForlornKing]

so what is Nene's knee like anyway?


Will he recover?

 

[D-Mass]

so what is Nene's knee like anyway?


Will he recover?

ACL...Should be fine. But if Petrie goes in that direction, I think it's safe to say he's packing it in for this year (if there's anything to salvage). Trading Peja for a guy out for the season isn't exactly a "let's try to save this season" sort of move.

 

[BMiller52]

ACL...Should be fine. But if Petrie goes in that direction, I think it's safe to say he's packing it in for this year (if there's anything to salvage). Trading Peja for a guy out for the season isn't exactly a "let's try to save this season" sort of move.

Actually apparently nene is off crutches already and weeks ahead of schedule. My cousin(5 11 kid, can dunk pretty well, 17 yrs oldish, stepcousin actually) tore his acl a while ago and he only couldn't play ball for like 3 months. Already been one and a half months for Nene right? Not saying he'll be back in another month and a half, but it's encouraging. Not lie he had microfracture.

 

[kingsfan916]

Peja should be traded if we want this season to be good

 

[solly16]

I would sure love to have Darius over KT. Darius wasn't super athletic, but he had a nice shot from the elbow, and could go inside and bang. I'd sure like to have Eddie house to. Although he had the same defensive problems that Bibby does.

Main problem is that Kings do not have play (point guard). Bibbie is all but point guard. Bad defence, actually no D at all. He only cares about his stats.

Number of assists is not only indicator if playmaker is doing his job (actaully it often shows false picture for Bibby). There are many little things that are to define if somebody is playmaker or not.
But, assists being statistic parameter, Bibby makes sure to have them enough to keep his job of point guard in the case somebody suspects that.

RA became even hero for yelling at Peja. Well, he might (Peja) deserved that for being so passive sometimes. But, why did not he (RA) ever yell at Webber and Bibby for all stupidities they did?

He (RA) did not have courage for doing that at the time when Kings actually started downhill ride!
Instead Bibby and CW were handling RA and the team to accomodate their stats.
RA at that time behaved as somebody who does not get involved in his own job. RA asked CW and Bibby for his oppinion.

 

[BMiller52]

Main problem is that Kings do not have play (point guard). Bibbie is all but point guard. Bad defence, actually no D at all. He only cares about his stats.

Number of assists is not only indicator if playmaker is doing his job (actaully it often shows false picture for Bibby). There are many little things that are to define if somebody is playmaker or not.
But, assists being statistic parameter, Bibby makes sure to have them enough to keep his job of point guard in the case somebody suspects that.

RA became even hero for yelling at Peja. Well, he might (Peja) deserved that for being so passive sometimes. But, why did not he (RA) ever yell at Webber and Bibby for all stupidities they did?

He (RA) did not have courage for doing that at the time when Kings actually started downhill ride!
Instead Bibby and CW were handling RA and the team to accomodate their stats.
RA at that time behaved as somebody who does not get involved in his own job. RA asked CW and Bibby for his oppinion.

No because Bibby was basically the best scorer on the team basically and webber was the best passer. Not to mention they were awesome at the pick and roll.

 

[BibityBobtyBoom]

if niners' fans can stick it out, so can we. simple as that. everyone has their ups and downs.

 

[Elektrik]

Don't forget about Matt Barnes. We could have signed him for a wooden nickel and he did a real good job backing up Peja last year. He scored high on the hustle points meter. It sure would have been a different story this season if we had been able to keep Matty, Mo, and House for our bench.

Bibby/House
Bonzi/Mo Evans
Peja/ Matt Barnes/Corliss
Sharreef/K Thomas
Brad/Skinner

While both Kevin Martin and Cisco have had thier moments I think overall they have been huge disapointments not to mention Jason Hart who by no means has had a stellar season so far. I think we could have and should have gotten those 3 back somehow. We probably would be 15-10 and not 10-15. I really am beginning to wonder what Petrie is doing.

 

[captain bill]

While we're on the subject of ex-Kings, what's old Gerald Wallace up to?

They've got such good team chemistry in Charlotte.

 

[ParniValjak]

Hard to believe that whoever made the final decision to trade Eddie House, Bobby Jackson and Darius Songaila for the current bench is still employed! Inconsistency has become the norm for the starters, as well. How long before lackluster and half-hearted performance begins to affect the Kings' always-presumed "loyal" fan base?

Firstly, we didn't trade House. When we got Hart in a trade, House came out and said in the Sacramento Bee that he will be looking elsewhere because he doesn't want to be a 3rd PG on a roster. Fair comment at the time considering House was relesead from Charlotte because both Hart and Knight were ahead of him.

Secondly, people carry on about Bobby Jackson like he actually played consistently over the last 2 years. He played a grand total of 75 games in 2 years, including only 25 games in his last season with the Kings. He was the player we had on the roster but he just wasn't suiting up. A fit and healthy Bobby would be a super player for us.

We traded Jackson to get Bonzi, who has been our best player this year. We needed a starting SG and Bonzi was the best we could get.

I always liked Songaila but realistically he was always going to play behind SAR and Thomas. We are finding it hard to find consistent minutes for Thomas as it is, how the hell would we find them for Songaila.