Tyson Chandler

[beb0p]

That question can be asked of every great idea.

Yes, and every dumb ones as well.

Why can't we just stick with Hawe/JT and see what happens?

 

[kingsnation]

Yes, and every dumb ones as well.

Why can't we just stick with Hawe/JT and see what happens?

They should start, that doesn't mean we can't have a very very good backup. I just don't see the problem of having a guy like Chandler if he is willing to come off the bench.

And if the argument is that a signing like Chandler would stunt their development, I would say that is false. A signing like him would actually help them in their development as he would be a veteran they could look up to as well as learn defensive fundamentals from.

 

[SacKings7]

People are talking about giving 30+ mins for THREE big men. Which has never been done as far as I can remember unless someone missed a lot of games.

Even the Lakers couldn't give 30+ mins for Bynum/Odom/Pau. They came close only because Bynum missed 32 games thereby giving Odom a lot of PT.

This is just hypothetical dude, I don't get what your problem is with this. Why is it so hard to believe that 3 big men can average 30+ minutes a game? Is it that big of a deal if say Chandler averages 26 minutes?

What are your ideal MPG for JT and Hawes, if you don't mind me asking? I'm sure you don't expect both of them to play 40 minutes a night, so what's wrong with Chandler backing both of them up?

BTW, the Lakers example is kind of different, because Pau is a star and they need him on the court as much as possible

 

[beb0p]

This is just hypothetical dude, I don't get what your problem is with this. Why is it so hard to believe that 3 big men can average 30+ minutes a game? Is it that big of a deal if say Chandler averages 26 minutes?

What are your ideal MPG for JT and Hawes, if you don't mind me asking? I'm sure you don't expect both of them to play 40 minutes a night, so what's wrong with Chandler backing both of them up?

BTW, the Lakers example is kind of different, because Pau is a star and they need him on the court as much as possible

For Hawes/JT, as long as they get 30+ mins then 1) I'm happy and 2) it makes it almost impossible to get another big man 30+ mins.

Think this through with me, Tyson Chandler can't play both PF and C at the same time right? So you have to leave one of Hawes/JT on the court at ALL times to make this work. Let's think back to the glory days, did Adelman left Webber/Divac on the court at ALL times? No. Will there be times when JT and Hawes both sit on the bench, you betchya. We're talking maybe 4 to 6 mins a game when they're both out but this cuts into Chandler's mins. Take 4-6 mins from Chandler's 32 mins and now he's down to 26-28 mins/game. Unless Chandler clones himself to play both PF and C when Hawes/JT is out of the game, it's just very difficult for him to get 30+ mins being a backup. Another issue also arise to cut more mins for Chandler, read on.

There will be times when the Kings go small. I'm not talking about going small for 48 mins Nellie style, but every team goes small at some point in the game for short period. If you give 30+ mins to three bigs It means at least two of Hawes/JT/Chandler are always on the floor. It means we NEVER go small, ever. That doesn't sound like a winning formula to me. Let's say the Kings go small for about 8-10 mins a game, that's 8-10 mins where you can only play one big man. Whoever you choose to play small ball is going to cut into the other two's mins. That's why I said realistically, Chandler can expect about 20-24 mins a game tops. If you increase his mins it cuts into Hawes/JT's PT. That's the scenario. And I don't want to start a discussion about going small. The Kings will go small at some point in the game, just accept it.

Thirdly, where will Casspi get his mins? Exclusively at SF? He's a combo forward and potentially a good one, I'd give some time to Casspi at PF and I'm sure Westphal is thinking along the same line.

If you're ok with a $12million/yr backup who plays 20-24 mins a game fine. I'm not going to argue on that point. But people who said Chandler can play 30+ mins is just misguided. My point is that 1) it's impossible to give him 30+ mins and 2) therefore it's pointless to pay a guy $12M to play 20-24 mins for you, because 3) he won't make the kind of impact he should have with only 20-24 mins a game. Therefore 4) Sticking with Hawes/Jt is the best route to go at this point.

That's why when you look at history it has rarely been done. The Pacers did it with Miller/O'Neal/Harrington but only because Harrington also played SF. The Sonics did it with Schrempf/Polynice/Baker but only because all three guys were out for extended period at various point in the season.

 

[Warhawk]

For Hawes/JT, as long as they get 30+ mins then 1) I'm happy and 2) it makes it almost impossible to get another big man 30+ mins.

Think this through with me, Tyson Chandler can't play both PF and C at the same time right? So you have to leave one of Hawes/JT on the court at ALL times to make this work. Let's think back to the glory days, did Adelman left Webber/Divac on the court at ALL times? No. Will there be times when JT and Hawes both sit on the bench, you betchya. We're talking maybe 4 to 6 mins a game when they're both out but this cuts into Chandler's mins. Take 4-6 mins from Chandler's 32 mins and now he's down to 26-28 mins/game. Unless Chandler clones himself to play both PF and C when Hawes/JT is out of the game, it's just very difficult for him to get 30+ mins being a backup. Another issue also arise to cut more mins for Chandler, read on.

There will be times when the Kings go small. I'm not talking about going small for 48 mins Nellie style, but every team goes small at some point in the game for short period. If you give 30+ mins to three bigs It means at least two of Hawes/JT/Chandler are always on the floor. It means we NEVER go small, ever. That doesn't sound like a winning formula to me. Let's say the Kings go small for about 8-10 mins a game, that's 8-10 mins where you can only play one big man. Whoever you choose to play small ball is going to cut into the other two's mins. That's why I said realistically, Chandler can expect about 20-24 mins a game tops. If you increase his mins it cuts into Hawes/JT's PT. That's the scenario. And I don't want to start a discussion about going small. The Kings will go small at some point in the game, just accept it.

Thirdly, where will Casspi get his mins? Exclusively at SF? He's a combo forward and potentially a good one, I'd give some time to Casspi at PF and I'm sure Westphal is thinking along the same line.

If you're ok with a $12million/yr backup who plays 20-24 mins a game fine. I'm not going to argue on that point. But people who said Chandler can play 30+ mins is just misguided. My point is that 1) it's impossible to give him 30+ mins and 2) therefore it's pointless to pay a guy $12M to play 20-24 mins for you, because 3) he won't make the kind of impact he should have with only 20-24 mins a game. Therefore 4) Sticking with Hawes/Jt is the best route to go at this point.

That's why when you look at history it has rarely been done. The Pacers did it with Miller/O'Neal/Harrington but only because Harrington also played SF. The Sonics did it with Schrempf/Polynice/Baker but only because all three guys were out for extended period at various point in the season.

Didn't we drop this already?

What is so hard to understand? 96 minutes at the 4 and 5. JT and Hawes playing say 33± each, leaving 30± for Chandler. And there is no reason why you have to have Hawes and JT on the bench at the same time - in fact, you could play Hawes for quarters 1-3 (36 min), JT for 2-4 (36 min), and Chandler 1 and 4 (24 min) as a rediculous example. Also, we should have someone like Ike as a 4th man to play spot minutes or fill in for injuries, etc.

Really, this isn't an issue. It's not.

And as far as going small for certain games - I don't like smallball anyways and also, who says for any one particular game every player gets the same minutes. Lots of players have variations in minutes game to game - you really are trying to overthink this.

 

[beb0p]

Didn't we drop this already?

What is so hard to understand? 96 minutes at the 4 and 5. JT and Hawes playing say 33± each, leaving 30± for Chandler. And there is no reason why you have to have Hawes and JT on the bench at the same time - in fact, you could play Hawes for quarters 1-3 (36 min), JT for 2-4 (36 min), and Chandler 1 and 4 (24 min) as a rediculous example. Also, we should have someone like Ike as a 4th man to play spot minutes or fill in for injuries, etc.

Really, this isn't an issue. It's not.

And as far as going small for certain games - I don't like smallball anyways and also, who says for any one particular game every player gets the same minutes. Lots of players have variations in minutes game to game - you really are trying to overthink this.

You're right. Your example is ridiculous. I've already said that if you don't mind having a strange substitution then it works. But I'm talking about real world application here. Also, your ridiculous example only gives Chandler 24 mins, which is what I'm been saying all allong - it's tough to even out 30+ for three bigs over the the course of season. I've also said that if you're fine with Chandler going only 20-24 mins a game then I won't argue with you.

I said I'm not going to discuss the merit of going small ball. The Kings will go small. Just like every team I've watched go small at some point. It's a given. You may disagree with the tactic but it's still going to be used.

I thought this was dropped too but it's like a cat with nine lives. I think the reason we keep coming back to it is because some of you don't want to get down to the details, really thinking it through on how to allocate the mins. But hey, if you want to play coach you have to answer questions that a coach must answer.

 

[LPKingsFan]

But hey, if you want to play coach you have to answer questions that a coach must answer.

You want to play coach. I want to play GM.

 

[91sickness]

You want to play coach. I want to play GM.

thats whats Masters in Sports Management and internships with NBA teams are for. .

 

[Warhawk]

You're right. Your example is ridiculous. I've already said that if you don't mind having a strange substitution then it works. But I'm talking about real world application here. Also, your ridiculous example only gives Chandler 24 mins, which is what I'm been saying all allong - it's tough to even out 30+ for three bigs over the the course of season. I've also said that if you're fine with Chandler going only 20-24 mins a game then I won't argue with you.

I said I'm not going to discuss the merit of going small ball. The Kings will go small. Just like every team I've watched go small at some point. It's a given. You may disagree with the tactic but it's still going to be used.

I thought this was dropped too but it's like a cat with nine lives. I think the reason we keep coming back to it is because some of you don't want to get down to the details, really thinking it through on how to allocate the mins. But hey, if you want to play coach you have to answer questions that a coach must answer.

Obviously logic is lost in this conversation. I'm done.

Good night.