Tyrus Thomas Leaving Chicago.....Should we get him?

[jockthisfoo]

Well it is said that Bulls wants him out because of an argument with his coach. Is he good enough to replace Jason Thompson? I'm done with JT, he lacks everything in a big man, no shot block, too many fouls, too much turn overs, bad shot selection, and poor jumper. If we can get tyrus, i think it should be a upgrade. And Trade IDEAS?

 

[bajaden]

NO! No Thomas. He's a malcontent and inconsistant to boot.

 

[rhythmless]

TT: Arguably as emotional of a player as JT. Arguably as inconsistent. Smaller player, bigger hops. Last year showed a very consistent midrange jumper I was hoping he could bring in this year. Injury slowed him and saw his starting spot go to a rookie.

Blocks well, rebound is average for him. Lacks full PF size, not skilled enough to be a SF. Wouldn't call him a tweener, but at this stage is very raw.

Both JT and TT are knuckleheads. However, JT seems to be a knucklehead for the good of the team, while TT seems to be one for the good of himself.

TT has a higher ceiling though. With his head on straight and his focus on the other team, has shown an ability to be a gamechanger. You take hard looks at gamechangers.

 

[CaminoChaos]

I think that TT is worthless. He can block a shot or two but has no game outside of that. He can't create his own shot and is a head case.

However if we were able to send Noc to the Bulls for him and a filler (Pargo or something) I'd take him. I would not give any expirings or young talent for him.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Well it is said that Bulls wants him out because of an argument with his coach. Is he good enough to replace Jason Thompson? I'm done with JT, he lacks everything in a big man, no shot block, too many fouls, too much turn overs, bad shot selection, and poor jumper. If we can get tyrus, i think it should be a upgrade. And Trade IDEAS?

Are you mad?

I'm not Thompson's biggest fan by any stretch, but anybody who thinks that Tyrus F. Thomas would be an improvement needs to have his head examined.

 

[jockthisfoo]

Tyrus plays better D and thats what we want right? He's very athletic and he dont miss boring layups like JT, he dunks it. TT > JT

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Tyrus plays better D and thats what we want right? He's very athletic and he dont miss boring layups like JT, he dunks it. TT > JT

And Marcus Camby at 80 yrs old is still better(attitude too) than both of them. The Kings don't need a juvenile like Tyrus on our roster. We have better options than that.

 

[Tetsujin]

Well it is said that Bulls wants him out because of an argument with his coach. Is he good enough to replace Jason Thompson? I'm done with JT, he lacks everything in a big man, no shot block, too many fouls, too much turn overs, bad shot selection, and poor jumper. If we can get tyrus, i think it should be a upgrade. And Trade IDEAS?

He's a shorter, more athletic version of JT with even more emotional problems. If you think JT likes to cry, then you'll love to hate Tyrus Thomas. Really, I don't think Thomas is better than Donte (who is (semi)comparable athletically and two inches taller to boot) or JT for that matter.

 

[Tetsujin]

Tyrus plays better D and thats what we want right? He's very athletic and he dont miss boring layups like JT, he dunks it. TT > JT

If by better D, you mean too small to play straight man-up defense so instead he goes for the block every time, then yeah "Better D".

Really, being able to make crazy dunks doesn't mean you're a good player because in that case Shannon Brown>>Tyreke Evans and we all know thats not the case.

 

[jockthisfoo]

The question was " Is Tyrus Thomas an upgrade for JT" im sure tyrus will be a better player than JT. His attitude is kinda bad but he plays Hard every game.

 

[jockthisfoo]

If by better D, you mean too small to play straight man-up defense so instead he goes for the block every time, then yeah "Better D".

Really, being able to make crazy dunks doesn't mean you're a good player because in that case Shannon Brown>>Tyreke Evans and we all know thats not the case.

Were not talking about if TT makes better dunks than JT. Our bigz are suppose to protect the paint and get some easy basket. Did you see points in paint difference in the last 5 games with our opponent?

 

[kingsnation]

The question was " Is Tyrus Thomas an upgrade for JT" im sure tyrus will be a better player than JT. His attitude is kinda bad but he plays Hard every game.

Well, so does JT.

 

[jockthisfoo]

Well, so does JT.

JT plays hard with emotons. Weak *** PF who cant seem to make easy baskets. Why didn't we just keep Drew Gooden.

 

[Tetsujin]

His attitude is kinda bad but he plays Hard every game.

And JT doesn't? You can question his intelligence and composure but you can't question the kid's effort.

I really don't see what everyone sees in Tyrus Thomas, he is a tad on the smallish size (We all know how most of those players turn out), lacks much of a post game or a strong defensive game for that matter. All I see in him is an athletic tweener (which we already seem to have in Donte Greene, who is starting to look like he has the potential to be a good player [not necessarily at the 4, but that's another story]) who has a propenity to go for the big flashy play but lacks substance.

Here are his stats from last year (his best):
GP:79 GS:61 MPG:27.5 RPG:6.4 APG:1.0 SPG:1.2 BPG:1.9 TOVPG1.6 FPG2.8 PPG10.8

 

[Tetsujin]

JT plays hard with emotons. Weak *** PF who cant seem to make easy baskets. Why didn't we just keep Drew Gooden.

Really? Because an overpaid 29 year old forward who's already seemingly peaked would be so much better than a 23 year old who still has room for improvement and is even now playing at a comparable level?

 

[TTown Kings]

I'm all for bringing in more talent and youth as long as the price is low. He's still got a lot of upside and is very young. He's worth the risk IMO if the price is low...

 

[kennadog]

Just suspended for the third time in four years for "conduct detrimental to the team?" Thomas? Not sure I want that on my Kings.

 

[Merdiesel]

Thomas said the reason he was participating in the dunk contest was purely "for the free money."
Dude doesn't give a **** about anything but himself. I'll pass.

 

[hammystyle]

And JT doesn't? You can question his intelligence and composure but you can't question the kid's effort.

I really don't see what everyone sees in Tyrus Thomas, he is a tad on the smallish size (We all know how most of those players turn out), lacks much of a post game or a strong defensive game for that matter. All I see in him is an athletic tweener (which we already seem to have in Donte Greene, who is starting to look like he has the potential to be a good player [not necessarily at the 4, but that's another story]) who has a propenity to go for the big flashy play but lacks substance.

Here are his stats from last year (his best):
GP:79 GS:61 MPG:27.5 RPG:6.4 APG:1.0 SPG:1.2 BPG:1.9 TOVPG1.6 FPG2.8 PPG10.8

The reason people like him is he's a super-athletic ball magnet. His rates of steals, rebounds and blocks are all higher than Josh Smith's who's doing just fine as a smaller 4.

Per 36 minute stats this year:
13.6 ppg 10.0 rpg 2.7 bpg 2.0 spg.

He's a bad shooter and scorer but his defense makes him a very effective player right now with all the potential in the world to get better. I'd take my chances on him no question. I could care less that he's having problems with an idiot coach like Vinny Del Negro. I'd be pissed too if I was losing in minutes to a clearly inferior player like Taj Gibson. He's 23, this is his livelihood and its getting messed with by a guy who doesn't know what he's doing. Not to say he can't handle it a lot better, but again, I'd be more than willing to take the chance on him.

 

[kennadog]

The reason people like him is he's a super-athletic ball magnet. His rates of steals, rebounds and blocks are all higher than Josh Smith's who's doing just fine as a smaller 4.

Per 36 minute stats this year:
13.6 ppg 10.0 rpg 2.7 bpg 2.0 spg.

He's a bad shooter and scorer but his defense makes him a very effective player right now with all the potential in the world to get better. I'd take my chances on him no question. I could care less that he's having problems with an idiot coach like Vinny Del Negro. I'd be pissed too if I was losing in minutes to a clearly inferior player like Taj Gibson. He's 23, this is his livelihood and its getting messed with by a guy who doesn't know what he's doing. Not to say he can't handle it a lot better, but again, I'd be more than willing to take the chance on him.

Did you ask yourself if the reason Gibson is getting more minutes might be, not a cause of, but because of TT's bad attitude?

 

[bajaden]

The question was " Is Tyrus Thomas an upgrade for JT" im sure tyrus will be a better player than JT. His attitude is kinda bad but he plays Hard every game.

And what preytell are you basing your opinion on. Tyrus Thomas is in his fourth year in the league. He has never avearged more than 10.9 points and 6.4 rebounds a game in one year. And that was last year, his third year in the league. Thompson averaged 11.1 points and 7.4 rebounds a game in his rookie year. So essentially he was better in his rookie year than Thomas was in his third year, and certainly this year his fourth year.

This year, despite having a recent funk, Thompson is averaging 13 points and 8.6 rebounds a game. Yeah, Thompson gets upset, but he gets upset with himself, not the coach or his teammates. Thomas was just suspended by the Bulls for going on a curse laden tirade against his coach. Is that the kind of player you want on your team?

I watch a lot of other teams play in the NBA, and if you think you get upset with Thompson and his recent inconsistancy, just wait till you get to watch Thomas. At least Thompson knows he screwing up. Thomas doesn't have a clue. No Thank You!!

 

[bajaden]

JT plays hard with emotons. Weak *** PF who cant seem to make easy baskets. Why didn't we just keep Drew Gooden.

Thomas is 6'8" in shoes and at the combine weighed 217 pounds. Thompson is 6'11" in shoes and weighs 255 pounds. And you're calling Thompson weak***. And while were at it, Thompson's big problem right now isn't his defense. Its staying on the floor. Its his silly little reach in fouls that he manages to do at least two or three times a game. Every player is going to be called for a few fouls a game, but when you add in the stupin unnecessary one's it lands him on the bench.

Thompsons defense has improved greatly. No, he still can't stop players like Stoudemire or Howard from scoring, but then thats why they are who they are. No one really stops them from scoring. I remember someone asking Rick Barry who it was that could stop him from scoring. He said no one could. All they could do was make him work harder, but they couldn't stop him.

 

[bajaden]

The reason people like him is he's a super-athletic ball magnet. His rates of steals, rebounds and blocks are all higher than Josh Smith's who's doing just fine as a smaller 4.

Per 36 minute stats this year:
13.6 ppg 10.0 rpg 2.7 bpg 2.0 spg.

He's a bad shooter and scorer but his defense makes him a very effective player right now with all the potential in the world to get better. I'd take my chances on him no question. I could care less that he's having problems with an idiot coach like Vinny Del Negro. I'd be pissed too if I was losing in minutes to a clearly inferior player like Taj Gibson. He's 23, this is his livelihood and its getting messed with by a guy who doesn't know what he's doing. Not to say he can't handle it a lot better, but again, I'd be more than willing to take the chance on him.

If you outplay the other player, then your not inferior. Right now Gibson is consistant every game with his effort. Thomas isn't, and that has been his problem from the get go. He'll show you flashes of what could be, and then its gone again. He'll try crazy shots that have no chance. Not once in a blue moon, but every game. He can become a turnover machine at times. And his only offense is a dunk or a putback. Your right when you say he's not a very good offensive player. The problem is that he doesn't know it. He either doesn't use his brain, or he simply doesn't have one.

I wouldn't touch him with your 20 foot pole. There are a lot of players I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to, but he's not one of them. And Vinny isn't the only coach thats had problems with him.

 

[Tetsujin]

The reason people like him is he's a super-athletic ball magnet. His rates of steals, rebounds and blocks are all higher than Josh Smith's who's doing just fine as a smaller 4.

Per 36 minute stats this year:
13.6 ppg 10.0 rpg 2.7 bpg 2.0 spg.

He's a bad shooter and scorer but his defense makes him a very effective player right now with all the potential in the world to get better. I'd take my chances on him no question. I could care less that he's having problems with an idiot coach like Vinny Del Negro. I'd be pissed too if I was losing in minutes to a clearly inferior player like Taj Gibson. He's 23, this is his livelihood and its getting messed with by a guy who doesn't know what he's doing. Not to say he can't handle it a lot better, but again, I'd be more than willing to take the chance on him.

"Idiot coach" Del Negro has his team playing pretty good since we had our comeback.

 

[Gary]

Thomas is a bust.. Bringing him in would be stupid. Well i guess we could take him off the books in a year when he under-performs.

 

[Tetsujin]

Thomas is a bust.. Bringing him in would be stupid. Well i guess we could take him off the books in a year when he under-performs.

But at the same time we already have another bust PF in Hilton Armstrong coming off the books this year. Don't really know if we want another.

 

[Gary]

But at the same time we already have another bust PF in Hilton Armstrong coming off the books this year. Don't really know if we want another.

That seems to be Petries thing though..

Notice how Petrie has no idea how to judge bigs? Simmons, Williams, Williams, Armstrong, Smith, Digou, Moore.. I could go on.. Any big man Petrie brings in ends up either out of the league or close to it by the time he's left the Kings. (I wish Shelden Williams worked though because I liked him in college)

 

[Tetsujin]

That seems to be Petries thing though..

Notice how Petrie has no idea how to judge bigs? Simmons, Williams, Williams, Armstrong, Smith, Digou, Moore.. I could go on.. Any big man Petrie brings in ends up either out of the league or close to it by the time he's left the Kings. (I wish Shelden Williams worked though because I liked him in college)

The thing is, with the exception of Moore, we didn't get these guys with them having a big role in mind.

 

[hammystyle]

If you outplay the other player, then your not inferior. Right now Gibson is consistant every game with his effort. Thomas isn't, and that has been his problem from the get go. He'll show you flashes of what could be, and then its gone again. He'll try crazy shots that have no chance. Not once in a blue moon, but every game. He can become a turnover machine at times. And his only offense is a dunk or a putback. Your right when you say he's not a very good offensive player. The problem is that he doesn't know it. He either doesn't use his brain, or he simply doesn't have one.

I wouldn't touch him with your 20 foot pole. There are a lot of players I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to, but he's not one of them. And Vinny isn't the only coach thats had problems with him.

This is all true, but really similar things have been said about Josh Smith and he's figuring it out this year. It would be really nice if Thomas brought Taj Gibson's consistent attitude to each game, but the plusses outweight the minuses. There's just nothing anyone can point to that says Taj Gibson is a better player, or that the team plays better with him.

Maybe he's a team pariah, but I just don't think so. I've heard enough differing reports that I believe he's mostly a good guy who's made some really dumb young mistakes.

 

[hammystyle]

"Idiot coach" Del Negro has his team playing pretty good since we had our comeback.

Or we could remember that that game counts too as do all the games that preceded it. He's 24-25 with a pretty damn good roster. Name me two worse coaches who aren't just fill-in guys like Kiki Vandeweghe. He was less-qualified than any coaching hire in recent memory and it shows up pretty much every night.