I'm not entirely sure that this symptom is unique to the Kings.
Tyrus Thomas Leaving Chicago.....Should we get him?
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I'm not entirely sure that this symptom is unique to the Kings.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Aside from the Raptors and Magic, essentially all of the teams haven't hit a home run regarding big men.
One and Done
Bench
I say no, with immediate disappointment on what could have been.
Tyrus Thomas has (and about 1.5 years from now we'll be saying "had") the talent to be absolutely great. His physical tools are off the charts. Problem is, his head is somewhere between the sewer lines and basement below the figurative charts being presented. Such a disappointment...if I we're GM I'd pass...
Tyrus Thomas has (and about 1.5 years from now we'll be saying "had") the talent to be absolutely great. His physical tools are off the charts. Problem is, his head is somewhere between the sewer lines and basement below the figurative charts being presented. Such a disappointment...if I we're GM I'd pass...
Rose2Thomas
G-League
No at this point in his career Tyrus is not a better player than Thompson. His jumper is probably a similar quality but his shot selection is quite a bit worse, he has a decent jumper but it's nowhere even close to how good he thinks it is. Because of his highlight blocks you might be inclined to believe that he's a pretty good defender, but he's not. Because of his jumping and dunking ability you might believe that he's a good finisher, but actually from what I have observed he's actually one of the worst finishers in the league. Any sort of contact at all will cause him to miss shots, if he had any sort of finishing ability his ppg would go up by like 8.
Now look at my username.
His good traits are the mentioned blocks from the weakside. When he plays his role he can be a serious game changer, he's very good at grabbing loose balls for a power forward. Towards the end of last season when he averaged like 14ppg, it felt like 8 of them came from the free throw line on average. As of last season he is officially listed as 6'10.
As a fan of his, I'm kinda hoping he ends up in Orlando. I know Dwight's skillset is quite limited, but Tyrus might learn how to play the game from him.
Now look at my username.
His good traits are the mentioned blocks from the weakside. When he plays his role he can be a serious game changer, he's very good at grabbing loose balls for a power forward. Towards the end of last season when he averaged like 14ppg, it felt like 8 of them came from the free throw line on average. As of last season he is officially listed as 6'10.
As a fan of his, I'm kinda hoping he ends up in Orlando. I know Dwight's skillset is quite limited, but Tyrus might learn how to play the game from him.
Chupacabra
Starter
TT>JT is a losing arguement. Unless youre Johny Cochran. Thank you thank you, ill be here all week.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Brian Grant, Michael Smith, Larwence Funderburke, Vlade Divac, Chris Webber, Scott Pollard, Yogi Stewart, and the affable Brad Miller. It does help to have selective memory though, doesn't it.
Tyrus Thomas is a player I've always liked when I saw him play. I hear a lot of bad things coming out of Chicago, but you never know how much of that is accurate or how much of it is smokescreen or whatever else. The problem for us though is we've got more than enough young forwards as it is so it doesn't make sense to bring in someone else who's never going to play. With JT and Donte here (and Casspi would factor in as well at SF), there's no minutes for Tyrus Thomas. It just doesn't fit. He could be a nice player eventually but so could the guys we already have.
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I'm currently living about a 1.5 hrs out of Chicago and watch the Bulls a lot, next to the Kings they are my favorite team. There are reports the Kings are in the mix for wanting Tyrus. I've heard a lot about Greene and Casspi, also seen Noc, but Tyrus as you know has crazy athletism so does Greene to a degree, but it would be great to see Tyrus in Kings Purple. Quite a tall lineup, something that isn't easy to say in Kingsland over the recent years with Evans, Martin, Tyrus Thomas, Thompson, Hawes
TT can play PF, but he's more of a SF with Deng doing well in Chicago and his crazy antics he's worn out his welcome in Chicago and will probably be gone over the All Star weekend. Bulls aren't looking for much, but it scares them that TT might take his $6M option for next year and kill their spending spree this offseason to get hometown boy DWade.
Link to Kings interested in TT:
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chi...010/02/bulls-want-expiring-1st-for-tyrus.html
The Kings getting Tyrus for next to nothing could be there very round about way of getting the genetic freak that we hear about in a Bobcats jersey. Bit of a stretch, but I believe TT will become a good player if he can put it all together and get out of Chicago.
Hope to be back in Sacto in 2 years, I miss the nice weather and scenery especially this time of year!
I'm currently living about a 1.5 hrs out of Chicago and watch the Bulls a lot, next to the Kings they are my favorite team. There are reports the Kings are in the mix for wanting Tyrus. I've heard a lot about Greene and Casspi, also seen Noc, but Tyrus as you know has crazy athletism so does Greene to a degree, but it would be great to see Tyrus in Kings Purple. Quite a tall lineup, something that isn't easy to say in Kingsland over the recent years with Evans, Martin, Tyrus Thomas, Thompson, Hawes
TT can play PF, but he's more of a SF with Deng doing well in Chicago and his crazy antics he's worn out his welcome in Chicago and will probably be gone over the All Star weekend. Bulls aren't looking for much, but it scares them that TT might take his $6M option for next year and kill their spending spree this offseason to get hometown boy DWade.
Link to Kings interested in TT:
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chi...010/02/bulls-want-expiring-1st-for-tyrus.html
The Kings getting Tyrus for next to nothing could be there very round about way of getting the genetic freak that we hear about in a Bobcats jersey. Bit of a stretch, but I believe TT will become a good player if he can put it all together and get out of Chicago.
Hope to be back in Sacto in 2 years, I miss the nice weather and scenery especially this time of year!
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At 70 MPH, that would mean about 106 miles out...leading to the inevitable questions:
Do you have a full tank of gas? Do you have a half a pack of cigarettes? Is it dark and are you wearing sunglasses?
Sptsjunkie
Starter
Come on Gary. Baja already listed any number of bigs who don't fit the rule and you are being patently unfair by listing players who were either signed as 12th men gambles or who were fodder in trades we made to shed ourselves of contracts and free up time for our young uns. I mean Simmons, Shelden and Digou were throw expiring contracts who were throw ins to various trades. Justin Williams barley made it out of training camp, but we gave him a shot cause he was young. Armstong was about making some money and was not brought in here to make an impact.
Aside from the ones listed by Baja, I can guarentee you that if the Kings cut JT, Hawes and Greene today another team would sign them ASAP.
captain bill
All-Star
LOL @ Webber, Divac, Pollard, Miller, Wallace, Hedo, Thompson, Hawes and Brockman being useless. Oh, but he didn't get Shaq, or Dwight, or Duncan. Therefore, he is a failure as a GM who only succeeds with players 6'6 and under. Good job listing salary dump and trade filler players though, really made a solid point with that one.
captain bill
All-Star
At 70 MPH, that would mean about 106 miles out...leading to the inevitable questions:
Do you have a full tank of gas? Do you have a half a pack of cigarettes? Is it dark and are you wearing sunglasses?
nice
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Yeah that was a pretty disingenuously baiting list.
DoDiGaG0
Bench
it seemed like everyone was quick to label him "useless" and a "bust" when he was struggling in Chicago..
hes been putting up 13.6 ppg/ 8.3 rpg/ 2.9 bpg
all his under 28mpg, 8 games so far
he's also been playing VERY well and much more mistake free under Larry Brown... Look's like Brown's having a incredible affect on Tyrus..
hes been putting up 13.6 ppg/ 8.3 rpg/ 2.9 bpg
all his under 28mpg, 8 games so far
he's also been playing VERY well and much more mistake free under Larry Brown... Look's like Brown's having a incredible affect on Tyrus..
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
We should wait a bit before claiming that this is the real Tyrus Thomas because he could just be experiencing the post-trade bump (a la Brian "Bill Russell for a few games" Skinner)
bajaden
Hall of Famer
We are in total agreement. Remember, when Thomas came back from his injury, he went on a 4 or 5 game tear, and then once again faded back into his usual mediocre effort.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
So, to put this in perspective, if you're Petrie, and you can take Cousins in the draft, do you take him or Thomas? Both are questionable in their behavior. Cousins is also riskier just by not being able to assess his talent as an actual player in the NBA. Thomas is more athletic. Cousins stronger. Would you give that Cousins pick for Thomas?
Thomas is going to be a free agent this summer, so that scenario isn't viable (barring a bizarre trade of Cousins' rights after he is drafted, or perhaps after he is signed for a sign-and-trade of Thomas). I figure you're asking Bajaden, but my answer would be no, if it were possible.
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well lets just start with size. Thomas measured out at 6' 7.25" in his barefeet at the combine. He weighed around 218 pounds. He did have a 7'3" wingspan which helps make up for his lack of height. But considering that Landry measured out at 6' 7.75" and is considered an undersized PF, then I think its fair to say that Thomas is an undersized PF. An athletic one, but none the less undersized.
Cousins is listed at 6'11". And while its true we don't as yet have combine measurements on him, he does look every bit that tall. So to be fair, lets say that he's 6'10". He is reported to have a 7' 6" wingspan and I think that was measured at the McDonaldls. He weighs 275 pounds. And while he's not as athletic as Thomas, I would call him an above average athlete for his size..
This is Thomas fourth year in the league. He's had that long to prove he belongs and he hasn't done it. And, the main problem with his head revolves around his play. He's very inconsistant, and also fancies himself as a scorer. He's had trouble getting along with his coaches, particularly Del Negro. And while Del Negro isn't exactly the cream of the crop of coaches, he did have sucess with gettin Noah's game up to speed.
Cousins head problems have more to do with his temper, and probable immaturity. But so far as I can see it hasn't really affected his play. He plays hard and seems to do everything thats been asked of him. He's a legitimate big man with skill. Players like him don't come around all that often. I wouldn't trade Cousins for three Thomas. Of course I don't have him to trade. I would be happy with any of the top four.
By the way, Favors had a terrific game the other day. I don't remember all the stats, but I watched it and he finally gave me that wow factor. He was everything his press clippings said he was suspossed to be. It was very encouraging to see. If we could get either Cousins or Favors, then the basketball god's are smiling on us.
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Gary
All-Star
I wouldn't call Thompson, Hawes and Brockman successes... Divac, and Webber yes.. But he has been flubbing on bigs we bring in.. Most of those are filler, but Petrie brings them in because they are 1st round picks that he wanted to get a look at anyway. Thomas is a scrub.. He does not belong here.
Rookie
Starter
How did you came to that conclusion? Is it base on how they play or the people that drafted around their perspective pick and those guys have done better?
I was just wondering. I'm too lazy to do the research but if you did already then I would like to know.
Gary
All-Star
Oh goodness you take Cousins 99 out of 100 times.. The only 1 time you might take Thomas is if you have a PF/C combo which is dominant. The whole Cousins thing is blown a bit out of proportion imo. He has a bit of a mean streak, but he hasn't done anything (except for a couple forearms and elbows) but the games this happened in were rough at both ends. The Louisville game comes to mind as I think they made a big deal about if if I remember correctly. They are putting him under a microscope and reporting every questionable thing he does since he has that rep when other players do the same thing he does.
hammystyle
Starter
Due to injury, he hasn't played enough games to qualify for the league leaders, but if he had, here's where he would rank among PF's in per 48 minute stats:
Blocks - 3.7, 1st (by a long shot)
Steals - 2.6, 1st (by a long shot)
Rebounds - 13.3, 11th
Assists - 2.4, 20th
Scoring - 19.2, 24th
FG% - .490, 15th
FT % - .672. 29th
He still turns the ball over too much, but he's a 23 year old who's getting better.
hammystyle
Starter
No you would never trade the Cousins pick for Thomas. But would you draft Cousins and then sign Thomas? Skill-wise that would be a monster frontcourt. Thomas' speed and athleticism pairing with Cousins size and wingspan. With JT as a 3rd big, they'd be able to matchup with anyone. That could be the best defense and rebounding frontcourt in the league, and likely well above average on offense with Cousins doing the heavy lifting there.
Of course, there's also the potential (strong likelihood?) for MAJOR knuckle-headery with that ....but just looking at it purely skill-wise that's a realistic option to take our frontcourt from bottom 5 to top 5 within the next few years as they develop.
Gary
All-Star
They haven't done anything yet.. They are average players on a bad team.. Until they show me more I dunno man..
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
We must remember that the great Justin Williams also was tops in per 48 stats.
Gary
All-Star
That doesn't sound like a bad idea as long as Petrie doesn't overpay Thomas... I still don't like Thomas at all, but I wouldn't mind bringing him in for a look.. The only problem is Thomas will want something like a 5 year deal.. If I were GM I wouldn't offer any more than a 2 year 15mil deal. That way he would be a decent expiring + young which would be good trade bait if he reverted back to crappy Tyrus.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
With the current CBA about to expire after next season, and the fact that the owners are asking for a hard cap and shorter contracts, I doubt that teams are going to give five year contracts out to questionable players. I can certainly see upper level players getting long contracts, especially since it might be their last chance. But guys like Thomas will likely get one year deals or two or three year deals with team options on the second and third years.
It just doesn't make sense to lock yourself into anything solid right now, when all the rules may change in a year.
hammystyle
Starter
It really depends on the dollars to me more than the years. Thomas came into the league as a very young for his class, raw and immature freshman from LSU. Some of those traits are still rearing their ugly heads, but he's still got all the talent of that #2 pick. He's a clear poster child for a guy not ready to contribute on his rookie deal who screws the team that drafted him, but who could be a potential windfall for the team that signs him.
So its much more about dollars to me. If its more than 7 mil per year, forget it. If its 5-6, lets talk.
No. We do not need to remember Justin Williams when we are discussing Tyrus Thomas.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I think at this stage one can make an educated guess on how good Hawes will become. This is his third year in the league and I'm seeing a trend with him. I'll call it the Brad Miller trend. One or two great games (Im using the word great loosely) and then 2 or 3 games, maybe more, of below average play. Granted, he's still young, and I'm not saying its impossible for him to still be one of the better centers in the league. But I wouldn't bet my house on it.
Thompson is another matter. This is only his second year, so I'm willing to give him next year. He did show improvement at the beginning of the year untill suddenly the bottom fell out. He still has a long way to go to reach my expectations. Not that he cares about my expectations, but I'd bet more money on him than I would Hawes. If only because he tries harder and seems to play with a fire in his belly all the time. In some ways, that may be his problem. He hasn't figured out how to channel it yet.
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