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Executive Compares Tyrese Haliburton To Stephen Curry For Elite On-Ball, Off-Ball Versatility

Executive Compares Tyrese Haliburton To Stephen Curry For Elite On Ball Off Ball Versatility - RealGM Wiretap
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The thing that makes Haliburton so special is his ability to make players around him the best version of themselves. We saw it here with Richaun Holmes who scored 9.2 points a game playing with Hali. Monte gave him a big contract, traded Hali and Richaun never approached that production again.

Hali is a Hall of Famer that Monte traded away for a guy who can’t win in the play-offs.
 
sactowndog said:
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Executive Compares Tyrese Haliburton To Stephen Curry For Elite On-Ball, Off-Ball Versatility

Executive Compares Tyrese Haliburton To Stephen Curry For Elite On Ball Off Ball Versatility - RealGM Wiretap
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The thing that makes Haliburton so special is his ability to make players around him the best version of themselves. We saw it here with Richaun Holmes who scored 9.2 points a game playing with Hali. Monte gave him a big contract, traded Hali and Richaun never approached that production again.

Hali is a Hall of Famer that Monte traded away for a guy who can’t win in the play-offs.
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Bro can’t win in the play-in forget playoffs
 
SLAB said:
De’Aaron Fox is directly responsible for the Kings trading Haliburton and probably why they didn’t take Doncic. This dude was worse for this franchise than Vlade ever was.
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Couldn't agree more. I've been heavily criticized on this forum for my negative takes on De’Aaron Fox—especially two years ago—but reality always finds a way to assert itself.

The decision to build the team around Fox and make him the franchise player will likely go down as one of the worst in recent Kings history. He played a direct role in the team passing on Luka, trading Haliburton, and ultimately dealing LaVine under terrible conditions. He’s a one-dimensional player, a poor leader, and—frankly—a very selfish person. While Haliburton elevates his teammates, Fox often does the opposite.

I’m extremely glad he’s no longer in Sacramento. We no longer have to compromise the team’s future just to accommodate him. I truly believe we’ll be much better off moving forward.
 
hgut said:
Couldn't agree more. I've been heavily criticized on this forum for my negative takes on De’Aaron Fox—especially two years ago—but reality always finds a way to assert itself.

The decision to build the team around Fox and make him the franchise player will likely go down as one of the worst in recent Kings history. He played a direct role in the team passing on Luka, trading Haliburton, and ultimately dealing LaVine under terrible conditions. He’s a one-dimensional player, a poor leader, and—frankly—a very selfish person. While Haliburton elevates his teammates, Fox often does the opposite.

I’m extremely glad he’s no longer in Sacramento. We no longer have to compromise the team’s future just to accommodate him. I truly believe we’ll be much better off moving forward.
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Fox is an elite slasher and scorer in the paint. 1 tier below SGA in that regard. However, they are worlds apart in all the intangibles that make SGA a superstar and Fox a replacement All-star player. Fox himself was not the primary issue; it was our ownership and front office believing he was our supermax player when many fans were screaming he’s not him. Whether it was Fox or his agent selling he was that foundation, the responsibility lies with the organization to differentiate and we failed multiple times
 
hgut said:
Couldn't agree more. I've been heavily criticized on this forum for my negative takes on De’Aaron Fox—especially two years ago—but reality always finds a way to assert itself.

The decision to build the team around Fox and make him the franchise player will likely go down as one of the worst in recent Kings history. He played a direct role in the team passing on Luka, trading Haliburton, and ultimately dealing LaVine under terrible conditions. He’s a one-dimensional player, a poor leader, and—frankly—a very selfish person. While Haliburton elevates his teammates, Fox often does the opposite.

I’m extremely glad he’s no longer in Sacramento. We no longer have to compromise the team’s future just to accommodate him. I truly believe we’ll be much better off moving forward.
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I also think Fox had a hand in Bogi going. I can’t count the number of times I saw Bogi standing unguarded at the 3 point line and Fox refusing to kick out the ball.
 
Tizzy Flip said:

This is some great content. Nash and Lebron talking about Hali and the Pacers system. For those that think the system they run is easy to do since they do it with a bunch of non household names, feel free to listen in on some of the best players ever discuss why it isn’t.
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The key statement by Lebron about Haliburton starting at about 7:58 into that video .... "infectious basketball,...when your star player is willing to give the ball up and trust you to make a play,...everyone wants to play like that, guys want to play for type of player".

Yup, he gets it. It's exactly why the sum of their team is greater than the parts
 
SLAB said:
De’Aaron Fox is directly responsible for the Kings trading Haliburton and probably why they didn’t take Doncic. This dude was worse for this franchise than Vlade ever was.
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hgut said:
Couldn't agree more. I've been heavily criticized on this forum for my negative takes on De’Aaron Fox—especially two years ago—but reality always finds a way to assert itself.

The decision to build the team around Fox and make him the franchise player will likely go down as one of the worst in recent Kings history. He played a direct role in the team passing on Luka, trading Haliburton, and ultimately dealing LaVine under terrible conditions. He’s a one-dimensional player, a poor leader, and—frankly—a very selfish person. While Haliburton elevates his teammates, Fox often does the opposite.

I’m extremely glad he’s no longer in Sacramento. We no longer have to compromise the team’s future just to accommodate him. I truly believe we’ll be much better off moving forward.
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Part of this argument would make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the front office not to draft Luka Doncic if he was available, and to go with Bagley instead.

De'Aaron didn't play a "direct role" in the team passing on Luka. That decision was, is, and will always be on the front office/Vlade. The right answer was to draft Luka, and trade Fox.

The other part of this argument would also make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the office to trade Tyrese because he didn't want Tyrese to take away his precious minutes and steal his spotlight.

That, too, was, is, and will always be on the front office/Monte. I'm not quite sure what the right answer would've been, because I am not convinced that Tyrese would've been the better fit in Sacramento based on roster moves after the trade.
 
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QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Part of this argument would make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the front office not to draft Luka Doncic if he was available, and to go with Bagley instead.

De'Aaron didn't play a "direct role" in the team passing on Luka. That decision was, is, and will always be on the front office/Vlade. The right answer was to draft Luka, and trade Fox.

The other part of this argument would also make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the office to trade Tyrese because he didn't want Tyrese to take away his precious minutes and steal his spotlight.

That, too, was, is, and will always be on the front office/Vlade. I'm not quite sure what the right answer would've been, because I am not convinced that Tyrese would've been the better fit in Sacramento based on roster moves after the trade.
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The mistake is evaluating a lead player based on how he fits with a non playoff low seed roster.

Indiana did it the other way around. Identified their target lead player. Acquired him. Then began searching for and acquiring pieces that fit with him.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Part of this argument would make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the front office not to draft Luka Doncic if he was available, and to go with Bagley instead.

De'Aaron didn't play a "direct role" in the team passing on Luka. That decision was, is, and will always be on the front office/Vlade. The right answer was to draft Luka, and trade Fox.

The other part of this argument would also make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the office to trade Tyrese because he didn't want Tyrese to take away his precious minutes and steal his spotlight.

That, too, was, is, and will always be on the front office/Vlade. I'm not quite sure what the right answer would've been, because I am not convinced that Tyrese would've been the better fit in Sacramento based on roster moves after the trade.
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We blaming Vlade for Monte’s moves now?

Monte gave Fox the contract
Monte drafted Davion further impacting the position
Monte traded away his best draft pick.
 
sactowndog said:
We blaming Vlade for Monte’s moves now?

Monte gave Fox the contract
Monte drafted Davion further impacting the position
Monte traded away his best draft pick.
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Monte didn't draft Bagley over Luka. That was Vlade.
I updated the other part of my post to correctly reflect the fact that it was Monte who dealt Tyrese for Domas (thanks for calling me out on that one).
But, regardless, that was not the point I was trying to make...The specific post to which I was responding made it seem like Fox instructed the front office to trade Tyrese, and to pass up on drafting Luka. I was just trying to point out that both were strictly front office decisions, and Fox had no hand in orchestrating either, other than the fact that he occupied a spot on the roster, and payroll. Both of which were not valid enough reasons to pass up on drafting Luka, or trading Tyrese.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Monte didn't draft Bagley over Luka. That was Vlade.
I updated the other part of my post to correctly reflect the fact that it was Monte who dealt Tyrese for Domas (thanks for calling me out on that one).
But, regardless, that was not the point I was trying to make...The specific post to which I was responding made it seem like Fox instructed the front office to trade Tyrese, and to pass up on drafting Luka. I was just trying to point out that both were strictly front office decisions, and Fox had no hand in orchestrating either, other than the fact that he occupied a spot on the roster, and payroll. Both of which were not valid enough reasons to pass up on drafting Luka, or trading Tyrese.
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Yeah though I’m not sure I completely agree with your point. Fox wanted to be the star guard and made that clear. If he had not sulked Fox and Tyrese could have been a hell of a back-court like Magic / Byron Scott.

But Fox did not want to be Byron Scott.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Monte didn't draft Bagley over Luka. That was Vlade.
I updated the other part of my post to correctly reflect the fact that it was Monte who dealt Tyrese for Domas (thanks for calling me out on that one).
But, regardless, that was not the point I was trying to make...The specific post to which I was responding made it seem like Fox instructed the front office to trade Tyrese, and to pass up on drafting Luka. I was just trying to point out that both were strictly front office decisions, and Fox had no hand in orchestrating either, other than the fact that he occupied a spot on the roster, and payroll. Both of which were not valid enough reasons to pass up on drafting Luka, or trading Tyrese.
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Trading haliburton is worse nobody knew Luka was gonna be Luka everyone knew haliburton was gonna be a star after watching him in a Sacramento jersey.
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Trading haliburton is worse nobody knew Luka was gonna be Luka everyone knew haliburton was gonna be a star after watching him in a Sacramento jersey.
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"nobody knew Luka was gonna be Luka"....dude, what in the absolute double-hockey sticks are you even talking about??? Luka was, by far, regarded as the best prospect to come out since LeBron James. Everyone called him a "generational talent". Everyone absolutely knew Luka was going to be a star on draft day.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
"nobody knew Luka was gonna be Luka"....dude, what in the absolute double-hockey sticks are you even talking about??? Luka was, by far, regarded as the best prospect to come out since LeBron James. Everyone called him a "generational talent". Everyone absolutely knew Luka was going to be a star on draft day.
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So a generational player went third they were questions on Luka’s scoring ability nobody pegged him as an mvp player. Wasn’t even a better prospect then AD at the time but go on
 
Watching Tyrese Halliburton will his way to victory over and over begs the question "how did we let him get away?"
It seems fairly common now that some players have to try several different teams to find one where they really fit.
It brings into question the coaching styles of some head coaches. This seems to happen often.
 
ppine said:
Watching Tyrese Halliburton will his way to victory over and over begs the question "how did we let him get away?"
It seems fairly common now that some players have to try several different teams to find one where they really fit.
It brings into question the coaching styles of some head coaches. This seems to happen often.
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We didn't "let him get away" - we traded an underused guard for an all-star big who instantly propelled us into the playoffs after almost 2 decades of team ineptitude.

Now you can argue that in the aftermath of that trade one team has done a lot better job of talent evaluation and team building, but we reaped immediate benefits while the Pacers languished for years trying to make it work. During the Beam Team year most people were saying the opposite of what they are now. In case you forget - we had two all-stars, coach of the year, FO of the year, clutch player of the year, etc., etc. So it goes.
 
It almost never works out long-term trading young players with star potential for established borderline stars with clear deficiencies. This is no different.

I didn't like the trade at the time and it's even worse now. We broke our playoff drought in the meantime. Whoopdy-do. We are now in as bad a situation as we were about 10 years ago. Mediocre, borderline play-in team with no first rounder this year, no star young talent, and no upside. To make it worse, a FO that will refuse to rebuild and will continue making short-term trades and signings.

What a totally apathetic time to be a Kings fan. I'm sure plenty here will disagree, but I've seen the same copium year after year after year. This franchise apparently doesn't learn.
 
Warhawk said:
We didn't "let him get away" - we traded an underused guard for an all-star big who instantly propelled us into the playoffs after almost 2 decades of team ineptitude.

Now you can argue that in the aftermath of that trade one team has done a lot better job of talent evaluation and team building, but we reaped immediate benefits while the Pacers languished for years trying to make it work. During the Beam Team year most people were saying the opposite of what they are now. In case you forget - we had two all-stars, coach of the year, FO of the year, clutch player of the year, etc., etc. So it goes.
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No, no, no. You don't get it. Sabonis never made anyone around him better. The Kings magically won 18 more games than the previous season. The Kings cheated by having Sabonis play the entire season with a broken hand. Why can't people just play fair and undergo surgery on company time like the Big Aristotle said? On top of it, he weaponized the ball and stomped a defender with his chest. What a loser!

Also, the Beam Team never happened. All the passing was because they were playing hot potato and no one wanted to take a shot. Fox got that clutch award thingy because everyone kept leaving him open because he was not a shooter. Duh!
 
coolhandluke said:
No, no, no. You don't get it. Sabonis never made anyone around him better. The Kings magically won 18 more games than the previous season. The Kings cheated by having Sabonis play the entire season with a broken hand. Why can't people just play fair and undergo surgery on company time like the Big Aristotle said? On top of it, he weaponized the ball and stomped a defender with his chest. What a loser!

Also, the Beam Team never happened. All the passing was because they were playing hot potato and no one wanted to take a shot. Fox got that clutch award thingy because everyone kept leaving him open because he was not a shooter. Duh!
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Warhawk said:
We didn't "let him get away" - we traded an underused guard for an all-star big who instantly propelled us into the playoffs after almost 2 decades of team ineptitude.

Now you can argue that in the aftermath of that trade one team has done a lot better job of talent evaluation and team building, but we reaped immediate benefits while the Pacers languished for years trying to make it work. During the Beam Team year most people were saying the opposite of what they are now. In case you forget - we had two all-stars, coach of the year, FO of the year, clutch player of the year, etc., etc. So it goes.
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Imagine trading an all nba point guard for a center and thinking because you got better for one year is some kind of victory, poverty franchise. Vevik is right not to properly rebuild some of y’all are satisfied chasing the 10th seed

Meanwhile Indiana is set for a decade with our pg and we got people clamoring for the corpse of jrue holiday
 
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