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[sactowndog]

Executive Compares Tyrese Haliburton To Stephen Curry For Elite On-Ball, Off-Ball Versatility

Executive Compares Tyrese Haliburton To Stephen Curry For Elite On Ball Off Ball Versatility - RealGM Wiretap

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The thing that makes Haliburton so special is his ability to make players around him the best version of themselves. We saw it here with Richaun Holmes who scored 9.2 points a game playing with Hali. Monte gave him a big contract, traded Hali and Richaun never approached that production again.

Hali is a Hall of Famer that Monte traded away for a guy who can’t win in the play-offs.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Executive Compares Tyrese Haliburton To Stephen Curry For Elite On-Ball, Off-Ball Versatility

Executive Compares Tyrese Haliburton To Stephen Curry For Elite On Ball Off Ball Versatility - RealGM Wiretap

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The thing that makes Haliburton so special is his ability to make players around him the best version of themselves. We saw it here with Richaun Holmes who scored 9.2 points a game playing with Hali. Monte gave him a big contract, traded Hali and Richaun never approached that production again.

Hali is a Hall of Famer that Monte traded away for a guy who can’t win in the play-offs.

Bro can’t win in the play-in forget playoffs

 

[coolhandluke]

Tyrese bounced back to take the Pacers to the NBA Finals. Great stuff.

 

[coolhandluke]

Whole lot of plays in a single postseason run.

 

[hgut]

De’Aaron Fox is directly responsible for the Kings trading Haliburton and probably why they didn’t take Doncic. This dude was worse for this franchise than Vlade ever was.

Couldn't agree more. I've been heavily criticized on this forum for my negative takes on De’Aaron Fox—especially two years ago—but reality always finds a way to assert itself.

The decision to build the team around Fox and make him the franchise player will likely go down as one of the worst in recent Kings history. He played a direct role in the team passing on Luka, trading Haliburton, and ultimately dealing LaVine under terrible conditions. He’s a one-dimensional player, a poor leader, and—frankly—a very selfish person. While Haliburton elevates his teammates, Fox often does the opposite.

I’m extremely glad he’s no longer in Sacramento. We no longer have to compromise the team’s future just to accommodate him. I truly believe we’ll be much better off moving forward.

 

[Tizzy Flip]

Couldn't agree more. I've been heavily criticized on this forum for my negative takes on De’Aaron Fox—especially two years ago—but reality always finds a way to assert itself.

The decision to build the team around Fox and make him the franchise player will likely go down as one of the worst in recent Kings history. He played a direct role in the team passing on Luka, trading Haliburton, and ultimately dealing LaVine under terrible conditions. He’s a one-dimensional player, a poor leader, and—frankly—a very selfish person. While Haliburton elevates his teammates, Fox often does the opposite.

I’m extremely glad he’s no longer in Sacramento. We no longer have to compromise the team’s future just to accommodate him. I truly believe we’ll be much better off moving forward.

Fox is an elite slasher and scorer in the paint. 1 tier below SGA in that regard. However, they are worlds apart in all the intangibles that make SGA a superstar and Fox a replacement All-star player. Fox himself was not the primary issue; it was our ownership and front office believing he was our supermax player when many fans were screaming he’s not him. Whether it was Fox or his agent selling he was that foundation, the responsibility lies with the organization to differentiate and we failed multiple times

 

[Tizzy Flip]

This is some great content. Nash and Lebron talking about Hali and the Pacers system. For those that think the system they run is easy to do since they do it with a bunch of non household names, feel free to listen in on some of the best players ever discuss why it isn’t.

 

[sactowndog]

Couldn't agree more. I've been heavily criticized on this forum for my negative takes on De’Aaron Fox—especially two years ago—but reality always finds a way to assert itself.

The decision to build the team around Fox and make him the franchise player will likely go down as one of the worst in recent Kings history. He played a direct role in the team passing on Luka, trading Haliburton, and ultimately dealing LaVine under terrible conditions. He’s a one-dimensional player, a poor leader, and—frankly—a very selfish person. While Haliburton elevates his teammates, Fox often does the opposite.

I’m extremely glad he’s no longer in Sacramento. We no longer have to compromise the team’s future just to accommodate him. I truly believe we’ll be much better off moving forward.

I also think Fox had a hand in Bogi going. I can’t count the number of times I saw Bogi standing unguarded at the 3 point line and Fox refusing to kick out the ball.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

This is some great content. Nash and Lebron talking about Hali and the Pacers system. For those that think the system they run is easy to do since they do it with a bunch of non household names, feel free to listen in on some of the best players ever discuss why it isn’t.

The key statement by Lebron about Haliburton starting at about 7:58 into that video .... "infectious basketball,...when your star player is willing to give the ball up and trust you to make a play,...everyone wants to play like that, guys want to play for type of player".

Yup, he gets it. It's exactly why the sum of their team is greater than the parts

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

De’Aaron Fox is directly responsible for the Kings trading Haliburton and probably why they didn’t take Doncic. This dude was worse for this franchise than Vlade ever was.

Couldn't agree more. I've been heavily criticized on this forum for my negative takes on De’Aaron Fox—especially two years ago—but reality always finds a way to assert itself.

The decision to build the team around Fox and make him the franchise player will likely go down as one of the worst in recent Kings history. He played a direct role in the team passing on Luka, trading Haliburton, and ultimately dealing LaVine under terrible conditions. He’s a one-dimensional player, a poor leader, and—frankly—a very selfish person. While Haliburton elevates his teammates, Fox often does the opposite.

I’m extremely glad he’s no longer in Sacramento. We no longer have to compromise the team’s future just to accommodate him. I truly believe we’ll be much better off moving forward.

Part of this argument would make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the front office not to draft Luka Doncic if he was available, and to go with Bagley instead.

De'Aaron didn't play a "direct role" in the team passing on Luka. That decision was, is, and will always be on the front office/Vlade. The right answer was to draft Luka, and trade Fox.

The other part of this argument would also make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the office to trade Tyrese because he didn't want Tyrese to take away his precious minutes and steal his spotlight.

That, too, was, is, and will always be on the front office/Monte. I'm not quite sure what the right answer would've been, because I am not convinced that Tyrese would've been the better fit in Sacramento based on roster moves after the trade.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Part of this argument would make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the front office not to draft Luka Doncic if he was available, and to go with Bagley instead.

De'Aaron didn't play a "direct role" in the team passing on Luka. That decision was, is, and will always be on the front office/Vlade. The right answer was to draft Luka, and trade Fox.

The other part of this argument would also make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the office to trade Tyrese because he didn't want Tyrese to take away his precious minutes and steal his spotlight.

That, too, was, is, and will always be on the front office/Vlade. I'm not quite sure what the right answer would've been, because I am not convinced that Tyrese would've been the better fit in Sacramento based on roster moves after the trade.

The mistake is evaluating a lead player based on how he fits with a non playoff low seed roster.

Indiana did it the other way around. Identified their target lead player. Acquired him. Then began searching for and acquiring pieces that fit with him.

 

[sactowndog]

Part of this argument would make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the front office not to draft Luka Doncic if he was available, and to go with Bagley instead.

De'Aaron didn't play a "direct role" in the team passing on Luka. That decision was, is, and will always be on the front office/Vlade. The right answer was to draft Luka, and trade Fox.

The other part of this argument would also make more sense if De'Aaron Fox had told the office to trade Tyrese because he didn't want Tyrese to take away his precious minutes and steal his spotlight.

That, too, was, is, and will always be on the front office/Vlade. I'm not quite sure what the right answer would've been, because I am not convinced that Tyrese would've been the better fit in Sacramento based on roster moves after the trade.

We blaming Vlade for Monte’s moves now?

Monte gave Fox the contract
Monte drafted Davion further impacting the position
Monte traded away his best draft pick.

 

[The_Jamal]

This thread is hillarious

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

We blaming Vlade for Monte’s moves now?

Monte gave Fox the contract
Monte drafted Davion further impacting the position
Monte traded away his best draft pick.

Monte didn't draft Bagley over Luka. That was Vlade.
I updated the other part of my post to correctly reflect the fact that it was Monte who dealt Tyrese for Domas (thanks for calling me out on that one).
But, regardless, that was not the point I was trying to make...The specific post to which I was responding made it seem like Fox instructed the front office to trade Tyrese, and to pass up on drafting Luka. I was just trying to point out that both were strictly front office decisions, and Fox had no hand in orchestrating either, other than the fact that he occupied a spot on the roster, and payroll. Both of which were not valid enough reasons to pass up on drafting Luka, or trading Tyrese.

 

[Tetsujin]

They really gave Tyrese the assiest sneakers in the league

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930627647228317944

 

[sactowndog]

Monte didn't draft Bagley over Luka. That was Vlade.
I updated the other part of my post to correctly reflect the fact that it was Monte who dealt Tyrese for Domas (thanks for calling me out on that one).
But, regardless, that was not the point I was trying to make...The specific post to which I was responding made it seem like Fox instructed the front office to trade Tyrese, and to pass up on drafting Luka. I was just trying to point out that both were strictly front office decisions, and Fox had no hand in orchestrating either, other than the fact that he occupied a spot on the roster, and payroll. Both of which were not valid enough reasons to pass up on drafting Luka, or trading Tyrese.

Yeah though I’m not sure I completely agree with your point. Fox wanted to be the star guard and made that clear. If he had not sulked Fox and Tyrese could have been a hell of a back-court like Magic / Byron Scott.

But Fox did not want to be Byron Scott.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Monte didn't draft Bagley over Luka. That was Vlade.
I updated the other part of my post to correctly reflect the fact that it was Monte who dealt Tyrese for Domas (thanks for calling me out on that one).
But, regardless, that was not the point I was trying to make...The specific post to which I was responding made it seem like Fox instructed the front office to trade Tyrese, and to pass up on drafting Luka. I was just trying to point out that both were strictly front office decisions, and Fox had no hand in orchestrating either, other than the fact that he occupied a spot on the roster, and payroll. Both of which were not valid enough reasons to pass up on drafting Luka, or trading Tyrese.

Trading haliburton is worse nobody knew Luka was gonna be Luka everyone knew haliburton was gonna be a star after watching him in a Sacramento jersey.