Tyreke article in Bee

[Bricklayer]

The wiretap didn't seem to pick this up, but its a good one despite being Voison:

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/23/4141627/ailene-voisin-kings-evans-tries.html

 

[Chupacabra]

I dont understand the need for Fredette to have the ball other than shooting. Otherwise its just more time that Tyreke and Marcus wont have the ball.

 

[Kingster]

You see a glimmer here of why the Kings wanted Hayes over Dalembert. Hayes is making an impact, both on Tyreke and Cousins.

I love hearing that Tyreke is going to put out the effort on D. He could be a defensive monster on the floor if he puts his mind to it.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I dont understand the need for Fredette to have the ball other than shooting. Otherwise its just more time that Tyreke and Marcus wont have the ball.

Not necessarily a bad thing. Based on what i've seen Jimmer sees the floor really well, makes good decisions with the ball, and isn't turnover prone.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Good to hear that mentally at least, Evans gets it, because it doesn't always show on the court. It sounds like he knows what he needs to change and is willing to do it, though.

 

[Kingster]

I dont understand the need for Fredette to have the ball other than shooting. Otherwise its just more time that Tyreke and Marcus wont have the ball.

He's handled the ball as well as Thornton and better than Tyreke. If he could handle the ball for the season as well as he has these past two games, I'd be more than pleased.

One of these games Jimmer has got to come down the floor and hoist up a 35 footer. He did it in college. I'm not saying to make it a habit or anything, but it would be a sight to see, especially if it goes in...

 

[Bricklayer]

He's handled the ball as well as Thornton and better than Tyreke. If he could handle the ball for the season as well as he has these past two games, I'd be more than pleased.

One of these games Jimmer has got to come down the floor and hoist up a 35 footer. He did it in college. I'm not saying to make it a habit or anything, but it would be a sight to see, especially if it goes in...

One of these games Jimmer has to take a selfish and stupid low percentage shot just for the hell of it?

If he wants to beat the shot clock with one he can be my guest.

 

[Section 101]

I dont understand the need for Fredette to have the ball other than shooting. Otherwise its just more time that Tyreke and Marcus wont have the ball.

Because he is not just a shooter. He was out there splitting double teams and getting to the basket. He also had some nice dishes on penetration. What he needs now is a good pump fake to really screw with defenses.

 

[jcwkings]

Tyreke has the tools to be an elite defender, if tyreke ever develops a consistent 3pt shot and a floater like Rose did, he will be unstoppable going to the rim.

 

[Kingster]

One of these games Jimmer has to take a selfish and stupid low percentage shot just for the hell of it?

If he wants to beat the shot clock with one he can be my guest.

He made them in college. Was he selfish then?

 

[Kingsguy881]

He made them in college. Was he selfish then?

He had to in college. He doesn't in the NBA. Think JWill, 1 on 5, hoisting a 35 footer. Remember that pain?

 

[Kingster]

He had to in college. He doesn't in the NBA. Think JWill, 1 on 5, hoisting a 35 footer. Remember that pain?

J Will couldn't shoot like Jimmer. Not even close. I'm not saying he should hoist 35 footers 10x a game, but if he's open from 35 feet, I wouldn't mind him shooting it every now and again. He can hit them. Then they have to come waaay out there to guard him, which really opens it up.

 

[Bricklayer]

J Will couldn't shoot like Jimmer. Not even close. I'm not saying he should hoist 35 footers 10x a game, but if he's open from 35 feet, I wouldn't mind him shooting it every now and again. He can hit them. Then they have to come waaay out there to guard him, which really opens it up.

Nobody is going to guard a guy form 35 feet. That's ridiculous. If you're the other team you pay to have an idiot chuck them from that far away, especially on a team with about 1000 better offensive options like ours. That's a desperation shot, or a pregame showoff shot, its not a good basketball decision. He's not playing with kids anymore.

How can this possibly fit into your complaints about Tyreke's decisionmaking? SMH.

 

[Kingster]

Nobody is going to guard a guy form 35 feet. That's ridiculous. If you're the other team you pay to have an idiot chuck them from that far away, especially on a team with about 1000 better offensive options like ours. That's a desperation shot, or a pregame showoff shot, its not a good basketball decision. He's not playing with kids anymore.

How can this possibly fit into your complaints about Tyreke's decisionmaking? SMH.

Oh lighten up. Sometimes it's fun to see "ridiculous" on the court. When Jimmer hits 35 foot shots I'm sure people will say: That's ridiculous!

The downside of Jimmer hitting the 35 footers would be the entire team going haywire and hoisting them up, kind of like when the entire team went "hot dog" when J Will was doing his thing. I can live with that though...

 

[Padrino]

J Will couldn't shoot like Jimmer. Not even close. I'm not saying he should hoist 35 footers 10x a game, but if he's open from 35 feet, I wouldn't mind him shooting it every now and again. He can hit them. Then they have to come waaay out there to guard him, which really opens it up.

what kinda damn fool suggestion is that?!

do you think coaches were clamoring for ray allen and reggie miller and peja stojakovic to shoot from 35 just because they were "open"?!

a 35-foot shot is, as brick pointed out, a desperation shot...

it is not a shot that should EVER occur within the flow of an offense, ESPECIALLY during a regular season or playoff game...

EVER.

save it for the practice facility and the youtube clips...

for the record, the nba 3-point line is 23.75 feet from the basket at its farthest point...

you're talking about jimmer shooting 3's from over 10 feet behind that line...

its asinine, except, once again, in desperation...

edit: on a side note: i was pleasantly surprised by the rather balanced approach voison took in her article...

she actually managed to neither skewer tyreke per her usual wont, nor build up jimmer beyond his already-sizable hype...

quite a feat, truth be told...

 

[Bricklayer]

Oh lighten up. Sometimes it's fun to see "ridiculous" on the court. When Jimmer hits 35 foot shots I'm sure people will say: That's ridiculous!

The downside of Jimmer hitting the 35 footers would be the entire team going haywire and hoisting them up, kind of like when the entire team went "hot dog" when J Will was doing his thing. I can live with that though...

Well you should have said you wanted him to just do it for kicks in the first place.

So here, on the kicks front, if we are up 20 in the first half of the 4th quarter (not the second half because that would be taunting) and Jimmer wants to throw up a 35 foot three pointer, he can go for it without castigation from me. Fun if he makes it, unlikely to hurt if he doesn't.

At any point while we are still involved in a competitive game however that's the sort of thing that gets your teammates grumbling and shaking their heads.

 

[Kingsguy881]

J Will couldn't shoot like Jimmer. Not even close. I'm not saying he should hoist 35 footers 10x a game, but if he's open from 35 feet, I wouldn't mind him shooting it every now and again. He can hit them. Then they have to come waaay out there to guard him, which really opens it up.

I understand what you are saying, kinda loke taking the breath out of the arena and giving fans a big 'WOW' moment. Like Brick said, the first half of the fourth quarter, up by 20, why the heck not? Any other time is just open to major criticism if he misses. Kinda like showing off at your teams expense. I wouldn't mind him showing off his range in the aforementioned scenario, up 20, 8 mins to go, fire away. Please the crowd. And do it on the road too while your at it. If we're up 20. With 7 mins to go.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Jimmers to smart to shoot from that far in the nba... 35 feet? thats 12 feet from halfcourt... the only time i can see him shooting one is if the shot clock is winding down and he needs to get a shot up. he hit a pretty far 3 in the second GSW game, id say about 27 feet.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWwSiwUiMoc id be fine with maybe a foot farther then that.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

You see a glimmer here of why the Kings wanted Hayes over Dalembert. Hayes is making an impact, both on Tyreke and Cousins.

I love hearing that Tyreke is going to put out the effort on D. He could be a defensive monster on the floor if he puts his mind to it.

this is what a defensive captain will do, he's going to inspire our whole unit too get better. Now the rest of the squad is going to see how hard reke is trying to get better defensively and all of them will want to improve. the power of the chuckwagon is already in effect.

 

[Bricklayer]

this is what a defensive captain will do, he's going to inspire our whole unit too get better. Now the rest of the squad is going to see how hard reke is trying to get better defensively and all of them will want to improve. the power of the chuckwagon is already in effect.

This much is very true.

Tyreke is the real key here. When Chuck was in Houston he was presumably just as much of a defensive captain, but there was nobody of note there to inspire/support and so they were losuy defensively anyway. But now if Reke really cranks it upn on defense, that's the sort of event that can elevate a whole team. A guy at Chuck's level can just be ignored by other players at or above his talent/contract etc. level. Maybe they listen, maybe they don't. But when a team's stars start busting their butt on defense, its very hard for everybody else not to do the same without looking the malcontent or problem. And a defensive captain can inspire the stars and give them the support they need to lead a team defensively.

 

[mac]

This much is very true.

Tyreke is the real key here. When Chuck was in Houston he was presumably just as much of a defensive captain, but there was nobody of note there to inspire/support and so they were losuy defensively anyway. But now if Reke really cranks it upn on defense, that's the sort of event that can elevate a whole team. A guy at Chuck's level can just be ignored by other players at or above his talent/contract etc. level. Maybe they listen, maybe they don't. But when a team's stars start busting their butt on defense, its very hard for everybody else not to do the same without looking the malcontent or problem. And a defensive captain can inspire the stars and give them the support they need to lead a team defensively.

Not that I don't agree, but what happened then when Artest was here?

 

[Bricklayer]

Not that I don't agree, but what happened then when Artest was here?

Too nutty to sustain was my opinion. After you realize he's crazy, who follows?

But Artest's intial impact that first half season when he was here (the Artest and Bonzi show) actually resulted in the best defensive performance we have put forth in the past 8 years, even with defensive stalwarts like Brad Miller, Mike Bibby, Kevin Martin etc. getting large chunks of minutes.

Besides it also follows in my general theory that Kevin's anti-defense aura is so strong it can overcome anything and anyone. It overcame Artest, then upon Kevin's being traded to Houston the Rockets instantly went from one of the league's better defensive teams every year to one of its worst. This despite the presence of Hayes and Battier. Just as your stars playing defnse means everybody starts too, your stars not playing defense means nobody feels they have to.

 

[kingsboi]

Reading that Tyreke wants to take his defense to the next level puts a smile on my face. Talk is cheap though, we've seen glimpses of him being an elite defender but he takes too many plays off so I'm hoping more times than not he plays it when we need it the most. I think him scoring around 15 points and giving us his usual 5 rebounds and 4-6 assists a game with good defense would be ideal.

 

[Glenn]

Reading that Tyreke wants to take his defense to the next level puts a smile on my face. Talk is cheap though, we've seen glimpses of him being an elite defender but he takes too many plays off so I'm hoping more times than not he plays it when we need it the most. I think him scoring around 15 points and giving us his usual 5 rebounds and 4-6 assists a game with good defense would be ideal.

I think I said the same thing in another context. We don't need him as much to score a we did before. There are other offensive options options. He can devote himself far more to defense. Hayes will help him find the motivation. The one thing against devoting yourself to defense is that salaries are much higher for people who score a lot unless they happen to be able to have offensive and defensive skills.

 

[mac]

Too nutty to sustain was my opinion. After you realize he's crazy, who follows?

But Artest's intial impact that first half season when he was here (the Artest and Bonzi show) actually resulted in the best defensive performance we have put forth in the past 8 years, even with defensive stalwarts like Brad Miller, Mike Bibby, Kevin Martin etc. getting large chunks of minutes.

Besides it also follows in my general theory that Kevin's anti-defense aura is so strong it can overcome anything and anyone. It overcame Artest, then upon Kevin's being traded to Houston the Rockets instantly went from one of the league's better defensive teams every year to one of its worst. This despite the presence of Hayes and Battier. Just as your stars playing defnse means everybody starts too, your stars not playing defense means nobody feels they have to.

Which is kinda why I think that this "big shotblocker" isn't necessary for us to be competitive (i.e. make playoffs), but perhaps necessary to put a team over the hump and really contend for a championship. The Spurs in recent years really didn't have any real big shotblocking presence, but were still a decent team. Tim Duncan is past his prime, to be honest I don't think the Derrick Roses and Russell Westbrooks are even bothered by his presence much when they attack the rim. The Spurs managed to remain a fairly decent defensive team with lineups featuring Tony Parker, Roger Mason Jr, Matt Bonner, Duncan and Michael Finley. In my opinion, team defense, having guys really put in effort (like you mentioned with Bibby etc) is really what you need to be a good team. Having that centerman is only going to give you that edge over other good teams, which is why I don't think overspending on getting such a player this offseason would have been a good idea. For the right price sure, but no point endangering our future when we're not going for it all now.

 

[Bricklayer]

Which is kinda why I think that this "big shotblocker" isn't necessary for us to be competitive (i.e. make playoffs), but perhaps necessary to put a team over the hump and really contend for a championship. The Spurs in recent years really didn't have any real big shotblocking presence, but were still a decent team. Tim Duncan is past his prime, to be honest I don't think the Derrick Roses and Russell Westbrooks are even bothered by his presence much when they attack the rim. The Spurs managed to remain a fairly decent defensive team with lineups featuring Tony Parker, Roger Mason Jr, Matt Bonner, Duncan and Michael Finley. In my opinion, team defense, having guys really put in effort (like you mentioned with Bibby etc) is really what you need to be a good team. Having that centerman is only going to give you that edge over other good teams, which is why I don't think overspending on getting such a player this offseason would have been a good idea. For the right price sure, but no point endangering our future when we're not going for it all now.

Methinks any argument the Spurs won despite their lack of shotblocking/interior defense is off to a rugged start. Duncan still averaged nearly 2blks a game last year as, well, Tim Duncan. It was up to 2.5 a game in the playoffs.

They are not the Spurs of old, but the irony in the playoffs was that they died because they could not score, and only scored more than 98 in 1 game, and that was in overtime.

 

[bajaden]

Methinks any argument the Spurs won despite their lack of shotblocking/interior defense is off to a rugged start. Duncan still averaged nearly 2blks a game last year as, well, Tim Duncan. It was up to 2.5 a game in the playoffs.

They are not the Spurs of old, but the irony in the playoffs was that they died because they could not score, and only scored more than 98 in 1 game, and that was in overtime.

Duncan is the player that gives me hope for Cousins. Duncan is a below the rim player and always has been. But he was one of the most fundamentally sound centers to come out of college in a long time. It certainly helped to have David Robinson next to him. Although Hayes isn't David Robinson, he's a very smart player defensively, and hopefully some of that will rub off on Cousins. There's no reason a lighter, more mobile Cousins can't become a good post defender, and even a decent to good shotblocker. He says he wants to be, so we'll see. He's certainly smart enough, so all it takes is putting in the work.