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thats like a cross town rivalry. the NBA is filled with too many teams for everyone to be considered having a rivalry with everyone else. in sports 2 teams have to be as equally talented and both teams have to eventually get the best of the other. we've never accomplished that. its not a true rivalry. what im seeing here is just pure/fat/stinking jealousy. you cannot build a theology based on your personal bitterness
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OOOOOOHOOHOHOHOHOHO no im not. kingsfans excluding myself and possibly a few others think its a rivalry. go to a spurs board, lakers board. go to espn.com. email espn radio. no one outside of sactown thinks the lakers and kings are rivals. they would laugh. we have no rings and we've never got over the hump. yet. i would be laughing too. i may be the minority on this board, but im part of the majority outside the board. i want kings success as much as anyone. but i know when im whipped
I don't waste my time hanging around Spurs or Lakers boards. Why on earth would I?
My comment was in regards to THIS board, where you are clearly in the minority. You can argue semantics all you like but you aren't going to change the mind of even one person here who does see it as a rivalry.
What part of "personal preference" didn't you understand? That's a lot like trying to tell someone whose favorite ice cream is chocolate that they're wrong because yours is pistachio.
EDIT: One more little thing? The NBA apparently thinks it's a rivalry since it's one of the games being featured in commercials for RIVALRY WEEK. But then, what do they know?
You need to stop worrying about what other team's fans think; **** 'em.
I care what other team's fans think about Kings Fans and whether or not they consider Kings/Lakers to be a rivalry slightly less than I care about "power rankings."
Kings/Lakers is a rivalry, and anybody who thinks otherwise can go to hell.
tyrant
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I don't waste my time hanging around Spurs or Lakers boards. Why on earth would I?
My comment was in regards to THIS board, where you are clearly in the minority. You can argue semantics all you like but you aren't going to change the mind of even one person here who does see it as a rivalry.
What part of "personal preference" didn't you understand? That's a lot like trying to tell someone whose favorite ice cream is chocolate that they're wrong because yours is pistachio.
EDIT: One more little thing? The NBA apparently thinks it's a rivalry since it's one of the games being featured in commercials for RIVALRY WEEK. But then, what do they know?
thats just because of that 7 game series. people throw around the term rivalry because of it. but people know better. in a rivalry you're competing and going for the same goal. the kings sucked and have been sucking for a long time. if there WAS anything there it obviously has left the building with arco ticket sales. sometimes i throw it around too. the word rival. i might have made a comment about dallas. saying they were one of our rivals. but the truth is they wouldve never gotten past us in 2003 if it werent for chris' injury. so when i hear a dallas fan say something about a kings/mavs rivalry i just laugh all day long in their face. i laugh long time. but see VF21, words in the dictionary are not left up to personal interpretation. so when you say personal preference thats just like me saying 2+2 equals 4 but it could possibly equal 3. pats and colts, thats a rivalry. cowboys and 49ers, thats a rivalry. redsox and yanks, thats a rivalry
tyrant
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c'mon man, relax there. even after 2 years of serious losing im glad youre still conviced this is a competitive and brutal rivalry
uolj
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Who said it was still competitive? Who said it was still brutal? I guess we see where your confusion lies.
Kingster
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Rockmeister
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You are being judgemental. Just because we don't feel that same way as you, doesn't mean we are wrong. By the way, why does it really matter what we feel, obviously its different that how you feel.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Yep. But don't you know the Bynum pick and Gasol trade were lucky? Yeah, right.
The Lakers have made their own luck, and now the Kings are making their own un-luck. To think that I was a Laker fan (born and raised in L.A.)and changed my allegiance to the Kings. What was I thinking?
kennadog
Dog On It!
Take away Kobe and the Bynum/Gasol pick-ups would not have changed much.Yep. But don't you know the Bynum pick and Gasol trade were lucky? Yeah, right.
BTW, I was born/raised in LA area and a Lakers fan. Could never go back to being a Lakers fan.
tyrant
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i didnt know we are worse than last year
27-34 now. last year on march 6th we were 28-32. talk about coaching and rebuilding. im not shocked we stink, im shocked we had a better season with musselman. we even started off 8-5 last year. whats really the reason we stink more than last year
27-34 now. last year on march 6th we were 28-32. talk about coaching and rebuilding. im not shocked we stink, im shocked we had a better season with musselman. we even started off 8-5 last year. whats really the reason we stink more than last year
One does not rebuild by adding more shingles to the roof. One rebuilds by removing and replacing items.
You're looking at the rebuilding. One cannot gauge coaches by record anymore, as last year's squad was focused (misguided as it may be) on approaching the playoffs. Part of that was a desire by mgmt and coaching. This is a team in transition. Think of it as a parabola. We're on the descent, hoping for some more changes (don't think there won't be any - the Bibby move is proof) during the off-season.
The youth movement (even though some may disagree that it's happening) will, by nature, create more losses. The past two games have been pretty exciting, but they still ended as losses. There will undoubtedly be many more of these types of games as the season ends.
You're looking at the rebuilding. One cannot gauge coaches by record anymore, as last year's squad was focused (misguided as it may be) on approaching the playoffs. Part of that was a desire by mgmt and coaching. This is a team in transition. Think of it as a parabola. We're on the descent, hoping for some more changes (don't think there won't be any - the Bibby move is proof) during the off-season.
The youth movement (even though some may disagree that it's happening) will, by nature, create more losses. The past two games have been pretty exciting, but they still ended as losses. There will undoubtedly be many more of these types of games as the season ends.
There, I fixed it for you.
This team, in general, has been much more competitive than last year with more close games and more effort on a nightly basis. I consider that an improvement in itself. I also agree with Spike on several of his points.
CruzDude
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It is a better team this year what with the major injury game misses for Bibby, Kevin and RonRon. And the coaching is much better. Plus there are new pieces starting (Mikki and Beno) we didn't have last year and two more rookies (I consider Shelden a rookie along with Hawes) plus Douby. No, really hard to compare the team now vs. last year. Record has nothing to do with it.
SacKings384
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Don't forget the strength of the West this season in comparison to last season. I would agree though, it appears Muss was our scapegoat. He was a bad coach, but not nearly as bad as we made him out to be. This team is exactly how I felt they were goign to be going into the season. They are just treading water. They aren't Memphis Grizzzlies bad, but they aren't good enough to do anything of importance. Worst position to be.
tyrant
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winning is winning. losing is losing. doesnt matter if most of our games this year were close or not. our record was better last year. thats just like saying you would rather have a record of 5-10 with losing the 10 games by a point each rather than having a record of 10-5 and getting blown out in the 5 losses. i would take the 10-5.
Rockmeister
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HndsmCelt
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I really think the contuned comparisons to last years team while understandable is just not very fair, or even usefull.
After the 2005-2006 season the Malofs decided to sack Adelman who had been coaching a top but declining team to the paly offs for many seasons. The expectation was that a differnet (better) coach could reinvigorate the team and give a better showing in the play offs. Very little was done change the core of the team and a reputed NBA Wunderkind was brought in to "bring back the glory;" We all know what happened.
So this year in the off season the decesion was aparently made to rebuild. The team took a chance on an untested coach with team connections, trades were openly discussed. Younger layers were given longer min and then the last hold over from the contending team in the WCF was traded essentially for cap space and a young undelveloped tallent. I don't think there was ever any expectation that Reggie would take the team to the play offs (although he would have cemented a rep if he had) Rather he was expected to beging developing young players and working on team chemestry while GP made the moves to rebuild (a whole different issue). I doubt there is any real talk of replacing Reggie not beceause he is better liked than Muss but beceasue the bar was set so much lower on front end.
Now if we want to give late midterm grades to Reggie I'll give him props for:
1. Encouraging Brad to work out and making the most of Brads unique tallents
2. Developing Cisco from an inconsistant 7th or 8th man into a very dependable 6th man
3. Figguring out how to make the undersized OG Douby work with the right match ups at the 1 or the 2.
4. Playing young bigs (Gerald Watkins, Justin Williams, Sheldon Willliams and Spencer Hawes) for development while permantly benching Kenny Thomas. Don't under value this one as there probably were more than few close games where Kenny could have brought more to the court than the kids did. So there was some real sacrafice made in that decision.
5. By putting faith in Beno Cocah T really made the Bibby trade MUCH less painfull than it could have been.
On the down side:
1. Coach T has faild to keep Kevin (his top tallent) involved as much as he could/should have been.
2. Cocah T has let Ron's considerable tallent and personality run rough shod to the detriment of John Salmons and to some degree Cisco.
3. He has utterly faid to teach the team HOW to close out games.
In the end I will gladly watch one more yoear of Coach Reggie. Last year at this point I would have passed out the pitch forks and torches.
After the 2005-2006 season the Malofs decided to sack Adelman who had been coaching a top but declining team to the paly offs for many seasons. The expectation was that a differnet (better) coach could reinvigorate the team and give a better showing in the play offs. Very little was done change the core of the team and a reputed NBA Wunderkind was brought in to "bring back the glory;" We all know what happened.
So this year in the off season the decesion was aparently made to rebuild. The team took a chance on an untested coach with team connections, trades were openly discussed. Younger layers were given longer min and then the last hold over from the contending team in the WCF was traded essentially for cap space and a young undelveloped tallent. I don't think there was ever any expectation that Reggie would take the team to the play offs (although he would have cemented a rep if he had) Rather he was expected to beging developing young players and working on team chemestry while GP made the moves to rebuild (a whole different issue). I doubt there is any real talk of replacing Reggie not beceause he is better liked than Muss but beceasue the bar was set so much lower on front end.
Now if we want to give late midterm grades to Reggie I'll give him props for:
1. Encouraging Brad to work out and making the most of Brads unique tallents
2. Developing Cisco from an inconsistant 7th or 8th man into a very dependable 6th man
3. Figguring out how to make the undersized OG Douby work with the right match ups at the 1 or the 2.
4. Playing young bigs (Gerald Watkins, Justin Williams, Sheldon Willliams and Spencer Hawes) for development while permantly benching Kenny Thomas. Don't under value this one as there probably were more than few close games where Kenny could have brought more to the court than the kids did. So there was some real sacrafice made in that decision.
5. By putting faith in Beno Cocah T really made the Bibby trade MUCH less painfull than it could have been.
On the down side:
1. Coach T has faild to keep Kevin (his top tallent) involved as much as he could/should have been.
2. Cocah T has let Ron's considerable tallent and personality run rough shod to the detriment of John Salmons and to some degree Cisco.
3. He has utterly faid to teach the team HOW to close out games.
In the end I will gladly watch one more yoear of Coach Reggie. Last year at this point I would have passed out the pitch forks and torches.
tyrant
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Yep, you are correct. Our record was better than last year.....by ONE game.
still. who thought we'd be worse than last year. muss and the kool aid and kenny thomas getting 25 minutes every game as a starter
TheFifthMookie
Bench
better/worse one year to the next just isn't important to me when the team is sub-500 both years.
To me, either the team is in the playoffs as a contender for for division championships and conference titles, or its working on developing the talent and skills of its players to contend. There is no meaningfull difference between 28-32, 25-35, or 30-31.
This season, our team in it's current incarnation is pretty lousy, and I get excited watching when our future potential is doing well, win or lose. I want more time for talent that will be here 5 years from now, and less time for the talent that won't. I don't care if that means we're 15-40 this time next year, because being 30-31 isn't really alot better.
To me, either the team is in the playoffs as a contender for for division championships and conference titles, or its working on developing the talent and skills of its players to contend. There is no meaningfull difference between 28-32, 25-35, or 30-31.
This season, our team in it's current incarnation is pretty lousy, and I get excited watching when our future potential is doing well, win or lose. I want more time for talent that will be here 5 years from now, and less time for the talent that won't. I don't care if that means we're 15-40 this time next year, because being 30-31 isn't really alot better.
Rockmeister
All-Star
Not at all, and you know it. Quit acting obtuse.
I am saying that there can be discernable differences in two seasons with somewhat similar records. Injuries, competitiveness, change in personnel, playing rookies/youth, expectations - all these play into whether a particular record for a team is decent, in relative terms, of course.
Do I like the record we have? Of course not.
Do I think this has been a better season than last year, even with a similar record at this point? Of course, and that is a good start. Additional personnel moves are the biggest concern at the moment. And this year (moving Bibby) was a step in that direction. Even if our record is similar, I like seeing Beno out there getting more experience and running the team better than earlier in the year, for instance. More PT for Hawes, etc, is a good thing too. We need to see what we have and what we need to go after.
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