Two Trades for the Kings

[RichieInRocklin]

Would either team make these trades with the Kings?:

1. Kings trade Rudy Gay to Orlando for Oladipo & Hezonja.
2. Kings trade Ben McLemore to Atlanta for Dennis Schroder.

Kings draft Dunn with #3,4, or 8. Sign Ryan Anderson in Free Agency, and resign Casspi, Curry and Acy.

This assumes Rajon Rondo goes elsewhere in Free Agency.
This would give us the following lineup:

C Cousins/ Koufos
PF Ryan Anderson/WCS/ Acy
SF Casspi / Henonja/ (Acy)
SG Oladipo/ Belinelli/ Curry/ James Anderson
PG Collison/ Schroder/ Dunn

IMHO Joerger could coach the heck out of this team.

 

[206Fan]

I don't think the opposing teams make those trades.

Orlando just traded away a lesser talented, but almost identical player to Rudy Gay for scraps. I doubt that they would want to trade 2 potential building pieces...especially since 1 of them was a lotto pick in 2015. Orlando is not the Kings..they're not dumb enough to trade their rookies for no reason.

In your 2nd scenario, Atlanta absolutely doesn't do this. It's been rumored that they want to move on from Teague and make Schroder their franchise PG. They won't trade a player like Schroder for a guy who had a junior slump. If we included our 1st round pick this year, it would make them reconsider.

 

[twslam07]

You're not even in the right ballpark on either of your trade proposals. I would imagine that Orlando wouldn't do Oladipo OR Hezonja for Gay let alone both...

Schroder is valuable and has shown he can play at this level (and like 2o6 pointed out, Atlanta wants him as their future starting PG) while McLemore is still trying to find his way. There were talks about a McLemore for Snell swap a few months back. Do you think Snell for Schroder is fair? I sure as hell don't, and I don't think McLemore for Schroder is really any closer.

 

[Merdiesel]

Why would either team do these moves?

It's May and Dennis Schroder is playing meaningful minutes in the playoffs. Does anyone outside of Sac even know who Ben McLemore is? He's not a late bloomer finding his way, he's a bust. Zero trade value.

As for Orlando, two legit lottery picks for a good but not great player entering his 30's who plays defense sometimes? Yeah good luck.

 

[KingMilz]

The Magic just got rid of a younger Rudy Gay.........

 

[RichieInRocklin]

Like a lot of "homers" here, I guess I overvalued our trade people and undervalued theirs. However, we need someone like Olidepo as a 3 & D guy and a young SF to take over in a few years. If we were able to draft Dunn, that would take away the need for Schroder. I do believe that Rondo is walking away to greener pastures in Free Agency this summer. His money could be spent to bring in a stretch 4, like Ryan Anderson.

Anybody else have any trade ideas to get a 3 & D guy, as I don't think we will have enough money to get one in Free Agency this year and still resign Acy, Casppi, and Curry.

 

[randymoss1881]

Come on man!!

 

[bajaden]

Like a lot of "homers" here, I guess I overvalued our trade people and undervalued theirs. However, we need someone like Olidepo as a 3 & D guy and a young SF to take over in a few years. If we were able to draft Dunn, that would take away the need for Schroder. I do believe that Rondo is walking away to greener pastures in Free Agency this summer. His money could be spent to bring in a stretch 4, like Ryan Anderson.

Anybody else have any trade ideas to get a 3 & D guy, as I don't think we will have enough money to get one in Free Agency this year and still resign Acy, Casppi, and Curry.

First, I won't comment on whether I think any of the trades you proposed are doable or not. All I'll say, is I'm putting you in charge. Go for it, and you deserve to be GM of the year if you can pull it off. That said, I think the Kings should pursue Kent Bazemore in the offseason. He has turned himself into a not great, but fairly consistent shooter from the three, whose best years are still ahead of him. He's a terrific defender who can guard both the SF and SG positions, although I think he's best suited for the SG position. He's a player that might be gotten for 5 or 6 mil a year, who could turn out to be a borderline star.

At that point, depending on what we do with Curry and Acy, we would still have somewhere between 12 and 16 mil left in capspace. If the Kings could make a couple of trades that were inequal moneywise, thereby clearing a little more capspace, they might have enough to make a run at Anderson or even Barnes. Another possibility would Jae Crowder, who is probably going to demand a good raise as well. It should be interesting to see how this offseason shakes out. One thought might be for the Kings to make some minor, or one year moves, similar to what they did with Rondo last year, and wait until next year when the cap goes up another 10 mil. It's a better freeagent class next season, the Kings under a new coach might look more appealing, and they would have a lot more money (technically over 50 mil) to spend. For the impatient, probably not a good idea, but sometime biting the bullet is the best plan in the long term.

 

[Gilles]

Danny Green got $10M last summer, and that was clearly with a hometown discount.
Demarre got $13,5M, but he was 29 y.o. at the time.
27 y.o. Bazemore is getting $15M at least with the amount of cap space available.
Crowder is signed through 2019/20 season at under $8M per - one helluva bargain.

 

[twslam07]

Danny Green got $10M last summer, and that was clearly with a hometown discount.
Demarre got $13,5M, but he was 29 y.o. at the time.
27 y.o. Bazemore is getting $15M at least with the amount of cap space available.
Crowder is signed through 2019/20 season at under $8M per - one helluva bargain.

Yeah, if the Kings are wanting him bad enough, we better make sure we have $15-18 mil to throw at him.

 

[ParniValjak]

The 3&D guy we should be looking at is Kent Bazemore but I suspect he will be really pricey come July. Can guard 2s and 3s and does a very good job. Can also shoot a 3 at a very respectable clip.

 

[twslam07]

The 3&D guy we should be looking at is Kent Bazemore but I suspect he will be really pricey come July. Can guard 2s and 3s and does a very good job. Can also shoot a 3 at a very respectable clip.

Crabbe & C. Lee should be considered for the 3&D as well. Fournier is another option, but I'd rather have our starting SG be a strong defender.

I'd probably go after Crabbe, Lee, Bazemore, & Fournier in that order. Both Crabbe & Lee are better 3PT shooters & will likely be cheaper than Bazemore (letting us go after other FAs).

 

[Gilles]

Regardless of my reservations about Crabbe he is still a RFA, so I wouldn't be sure, that Portland doesn't match anything under $15M, if they look at him as 6th man, which he seems to be at the moment. Same goes for Fournier, except he's seen as even more valuable than Crabbe around the league.
Lee and Solo Hill are two most realistic options with Lee obviously being (much) more reliable and experienced, unless you consider Afflalo, who had a rather disappointing season, confirming once again his selfish label. Both Lee and Afflalo will be 31 y.o. by the start of next season, and at least for Lee it's certain, that his team will try their best to keep him.

 

[twslam07]

Regardless of my reservations about Crabbe he is still a RFA, so I wouldn't be sure, that Portland doesn't match anything under $15M, if they look at him as 6th man, which he seems to be at the moment. Same goes for Fournier, except he's seen as even more valuable than Crabbe around the league.
Lee and Solo Hill are two most realistic options with Lee obviously being (much) more reliable and experienced, unless you consider Afflalo, who had a rather disappointing season, confirming once again his selfish label. Both Lee and Afflalo will be 31 y.o. by the start of next season, and at least for Lee it's certain, that his team will try their best to keep him.

With you on Crabbe... However, that's a lot of money to lock up in their guard rotation once it comes time for McCollum to get paid. It's possible that he could be had for less, but possible doesn't mean likely.

I'd be happy with Lee. He's actually the one player out of the 4 I mentioned that had a net on-court/off-court that was positive this year. I found that pretty interesting...

As for Hill, do you think he can defend SGs? I know he is a terrific defender, but I've gotten the impression that he'd be a better defender against SFs & PFs rather than SGs & SFs. Hill did have a 10.77 sec agility test which is right there with Allen Crabbe (10.67), Victor Oladipo (10.69), Tony Allen (10.70), & Jae Crowder (10.75).

 

[KingsFanGER]

With you on Crabbe... However, that's a lot of money to lock up in their guard rotation once it comes time for McCollum to get paid. It's possible that he could be had for less, but possible doesn't mean likely.

I'd be happy with Lee. He's actually the one player out of the 4 I mentioned that had a net on-court/off-court that was positive this year. I found that pretty interesting...

As for Hill, do you think he can defend SGs? I know he is a terrific defender, but I've gotten the impression that he'd be a better defender against SFs & PFs rather than SGs & SFs. Hill did have a 10.77 sec agility test which is right there with Allen Crabbe (10.67), Victor Oladipo (10.69), Tony Allen (10.70), & Jae Crowder (10.75).

Hill defended Lowry or Derozan during the first round and did really well. The guy can guard from Pg to smaller Pf's, making him the ideal defensive piece to switch pick&rolls or to crossmatch to bother scoring PG's with his size and length.
But unless most GM's didn't watch the Pacers late seasons performances and their first round matchup, the guy will get paid.

 

[Gilles]

Well, Kings can pay Hill as well. Instead of being reactive looking for the latest guy, who has just become a "sleeper", who everyone knows about and wants to sign, why not search for the guys, who look like they are about to. Just a year ago Bazemore was perceived the same way Hill is now.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Might Courtney Lee be a more likely target if the team does hire Joerger?

 

[funkykingston]

Well, Kings can pay Hill as well. Instead of being reactive looking for the latest guy, who has just become a "sleeper", who everyone knows about and wants to sign, why not search for the guys, who look like they are about to. Just a year ago Bazemore was perceived the same way Hill is now.

With the exploding salary cap it's going to make it even more vital for teams (especially small market teams) to not only be successful with their draft picks but in signing lower profile players that are about to take a big step forward and/or who are great fits for the team's system.

 

[funkykingston]

Regardless of my reservations about Crabbe he is still a RFA, so I wouldn't be sure, that Portland doesn't match anything under $15M, if they look at him as 6th man, which he seems to be at the moment. Same goes for Fournier, except he's seen as even more valuable than Crabbe around the league.
Lee and Solo Hill are two most realistic options with Lee obviously being (much) more reliable and experienced, unless you consider Afflalo, who had a rather disappointing season, confirming once again his selfish label. Both Lee and Afflalo will be 31 y.o. by the start of next season, and at least for Lee it's certain, that his team will try their best to keep him.

As a Cal alum I'm always rooting for Crabbe when he's not playing the Kings but his defense is mediocre/sub par and his rebounding is really weak for a guy his size. I like him but not at what I think the price tag will be.

One nice thing about Solomon Hill is that with Bird having declined his option for next season, the Pacers can't offer him more than he would have made with the option (less than $3 million I believe) so it pretty much takes the Pacers out of the running for his services. Could he be the next Bazemore or Crowder? We'll find out because I'm betting he gets offers in the $7 or $8 million a year range.

 

[bajaden]

As a Cal alum I'm always rooting for Crabbe when he's not playing the Kings but his defense is mediocre/sub par and his rebounding is really weak for a guy his size. I like him but not at what I think the price tag will be.

One nice thing about Solomon Hill is that with Bird having declined his option for next season, the Pacers can't offer him more than he would have made with the option (less than $3 million I believe) so it pretty much takes the Pacers out of the running for his services. Could he be the next Bazemore or Crowder? We'll find out because I'm betting he gets offers in the $7 or $8 million a year range.

I like Crabbe, but I'd expect Portland to match most any offer, unless someone goes nuts. The guy you mentioned is the one I'd like to see on the Kings. Kent Basemore. He made 2 mil last season and is an unrestriced free agent. Not sure what it would take to get him, but I'd sure take a shot at him. It's hard to speculate much without knowing whether the Kings are interested in bringing Rondo back. I hope not, but that's just me. I'm a ball movement guy, and your not going to get a lot of ball movement with Rondo on the floor. It might come down to what kind of offense Joerger wants to run, and whether he would tolerate how Rondo played defense last season.

 

[206Fan]

Might Courtney Lee be a more likely target if the team does hire Joerger?

Lee could be a realistic target, but I hope we wouldn't have to break the bank for him. We have Ben who is a similar player. Ben was a good defender under Malone, and the same could happen under Joerger.

Lee has the same problems as Ben on offense. He's very limited, and can't handle the ball. In 51 games with the Grizz, he averaged only 10ppg 2.3rebs 1.5asts 1stl in 29mins. Ben averaged 7.8pts on 2.2rebs 1.2asts 0.8stls in 21mins for us. I'd rather move forward with a 23yearold Ben on his final year rather than give a 30yearold Lee a big contract.

 

[kingsboi]

why on gods green earth would Atlanta dump a productive PG in Schroder for a scrub of a SG in McLemore? I wish.

 

[Padrino]

Lee could be a realistic target, but I hope we wouldn't have to break the bank for him. We have Ben who is a similar player. Ben was a good defender under Malone, and the same could happen under Joerger.

Lee has the same problems as Ben on offense. He's very limited, and can't handle the ball. In 51 games with the Grizz, he averaged only 10ppg 2.3rebs 1.5asts 1stl in 29mins. Ben averaged 7.8pts on 2.2rebs 1.2asts 0.8stls in 21mins for us. I'd rather move forward with a 23yearold Ben on his final year rather than give a 30yearold Lee a big contract.

fans of all stripes really need to prepare for the insanity that's ahead. "breaking the bank" is simply not going to mean the same thing this offseason that it has in offseasons past, because with a dramatic rise in the salary cap also comes a dramatic rise in the salary floor. in pursuit of paying up to that floor, a lot of teams are going to be spending fairly ludicrous amounts of money on players who otherwise wouldn't seem to deserve it. free agents within the nba's middle class certainly timed the expiration of their contracts well. either that, or they're very lucky, because they're about to get paid, if for no other reason than the new market will demand it. i honestly don't even know what a "fair" contract for courtney lee would look like in this environment, but if you're a franchise who wants to sign player "x" this offseason, be prepared to spend way over the previously-understood "market value" for that player, because every single team will have cap space to play around with...

 

[funkykingston]

why on gods green earth would Atlanta dump a productive PG in Schroder for a scrub of a SG in McLemore? I wish.

Would they trade Sefalosha for McLemore? That seems like a more reasonable deal that gets a 3&D SG, albeit one on the wrong side of 30 and not as productive as he used to be.

If Rondo is re-signed I think those are the types of wing players you want. If Rondo walks and Collison is the starter then I think a SG who does a bit more on offense (ball handling, creating his own shot etc) would be good.

Still hoping Buddy Hield drops in the draft. I know people think he won't but I've seen a lot of draft "experts" who wonder if he'll be JAG (just a guy) on the next level.

 

[kingsboi]

Would they trade Sefalosha for McLemore? That seems like a more reasonable deal that gets a 3&D SG, albeit one on the wrong side of 30 and not as productive as he used to be.

If Rondo is re-signed I think those are the types of wing players you want. If Rondo walks and Collison is the starter then I think a SG who does a bit more on offense (ball handling, creating his own shot etc) would be good.

Still hoping Buddy Hield drops in the draft. I know people think he won't but I've seen a lot of draft "experts" who wonder if he'll be JAG (just a guy) on the next level.

Sefolosha? I'd rather just keep Ben if that's all he is worth, really. 32 year old versus a 23 year old with athletic ability and fresh legs and just hope Joerger can get something out of him, if he is kept of course.

drafting "just a guy" JAG in your case, is what the team cannot do. Been seeing way too much of that, Vlade needs to continue to do his homework with his front office and hope he can strike gold again in year two.

 

[funkykingston]

Sefolosha? I'd rather just keep Ben if that's all he is worth, really. 32 year old versus a 23 year old with athletic ability and fresh legs and just hope Joerger can get something out of him, if he is kept of course.

drafting "just a guy" JAG in your case, is what the team cannot do. Been seeing way too much of that, Vlade needs to continue to do his homework with his front office and hope he can strike gold again in year two.

I just don't see Ben improving at this point and the Kings can't continue to be a disaster at the SG spot. I'll take the underwhelming but steady vet over the inconsistent and often disappearing McLemore.

As for Hield, being "just a guy" isn't a bade thing if he fits the team well. I could see Buddy as a Redick type without as steep a learning curve on the NBA level. That's a guy who can help out the Kings.

 

[ockingsfan]

I like Crabbe, but I'd expect Portland to match most any offer, unless someone goes nuts. The guy you mentioned is the one I'd like to see on the Kings. Kent Basemore. He made 2 mil last season and is an unrestriced free agent. Not sure what it would take to get him, but I'd sure take a shot at him. It's hard to speculate much without knowing whether the Kings are interested in bringing Rondo back. I hope not, but that's just me. I'm a ball movement guy, and your not going to get a lot of ball movement with Rondo on the floor. It might come down to what kind of offense Joerger wants to run, and whether he would tolerate how Rondo played defense last season.

I like Bazemore too, but he is listed as a Small Forward.

Do you think he can start at SG for us? Also, do you think that Ben McClemore can become a similar player to Bazemore with Joerger as coach?

 

[twslam07]

I like Bazemore too, but he is listed as a Small Forward.

Do you think he can start at SG for us? Also, do you think that Ben McClemore can become a similar player to Bazemore with Joerger as coach?

Bazemore is a natural SG who can play some SF IMO.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I like Crabbe, but I'd expect Portland to match most any offer, unless someone goes nuts. The guy you mentioned is the one I'd like to see on the Kings. Kent Basemore. He made 2 mil last season and is an unrestriced free agent. Not sure what it would take to get him, but I'd sure take a shot at him. It's hard to speculate much without knowing whether the Kings are interested in bringing Rondo back. I hope not, but that's just me. I'm a ball movement guy, and your not going to get a lot of ball movement with Rondo on the floor. It might come down to what kind of offense Joerger wants to run, and whether he would tolerate how Rondo played defense last season.

i'm on the wagon of not bringing rondo back. we could start darren if needed. if we get lucky w/ dunn in the draft we have the pg spot set nicely and can use that extra cap to fill in other gaps in the line up

 

[Mike]

Would either team make these trades with the Kings?:

1. Kings trade Rudy Gay to Orlando for Oladipo & Hezonja.
2. Kings trade Ben McLemore to Atlanta for Dennis Schroder.

Kings draft Dunn with #3,4, or 8. Sign Ryan Anderson in Free Agency, and resign Casspi, Curry and Acy.

This assumes Rajon Rondo goes elsewhere in Free Agency.
This would give us the following lineup:

C Cousins/ Koufos
PF Ryan Anderson/WCS/ Acy
SF Casspi / Henonja/ (Acy)
SG Oladipo/ Belinelli/ Curry/ James Anderson
PG Collison/ Schroder/ Dunn

IMHO Joerger could coach the heck out of this team.

Orlando are not going to trade a very athletic and talented two way guard, plus their recent first round draft pick who is a good shooter and has a high ceiling, for a near 30 year old streaky small forward who frankly wouldn't make them much better than they are now. Maybe he could give them enough of a boost to make the play offs as an 8th seed, but that would be their ceiling with him in the team. For me, they would be better off re-signing Fournier to be their small forward, or targeting a free agent like Barnes, Batum or Parsons, while retaining their young ascending players.

I am not sure Atlanta would trade Schroeder for McLemore, unless they are 100% committed to Jeff Teague as their long term PG. At that stage maybe they would consider McLemore because Korver is in his mid-30s, but if there is any truth behind the Teague trade rumors, they may well want to hold onto Schroeder because he could start for them if they decide to move Teague to land a new starter who might upgrade their SG or SF position.

I don't see either move happening, but if we could get that trio for Ben McLemore and Rudy Gay, I would be very happy with the return because we would be winning both trades.