Travis Outlaw:
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That thread's been open for a while to talk about the possibility of picking up Outlaw. We'll just make this one the "Welcome Travis Outlaw" thread once its confirmed.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Decent player, kind of a poor mans AK-47, I'll take it. With Salmons out he might step in as the starter right away I'd bet.
Fireplug
Bench
Yikes.
Hollinger says, "Outlaw needs to be a major offensive contributor to be useful, because defensively he doesn't offer a lot. Although he's very long, Outlaw is all arms and legs and can't get out of his own way. Once he starts going one way, he has no chance of changing direction quickly. His lack of coordination leads to near-comic sequences chasing players through screens off the ball, and his lack of strength means he can't
play 4 more regularly. Synergy rated him among the league's worst defenders, and his plus-minus supports that."
Is this all we can get to come to us these days? Hope we didn't spend much.
Hollinger says, "Outlaw needs to be a major offensive contributor to be useful, because defensively he doesn't offer a lot. Although he's very long, Outlaw is all arms and legs and can't get out of his own way. Once he starts going one way, he has no chance of changing direction quickly. His lack of coordination leads to near-comic sequences chasing players through screens off the ball, and his lack of strength means he can't
play 4 more regularly. Synergy rated him among the league's worst defenders, and his plus-minus supports that."
Is this all we can get to come to us these days? Hope we didn't spend much.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I'll be interested to see how much we bid. If its not much then I don't care. I think he was owed around 6 or 7 mil this season. How fast on can fall from the top. It wasn't that long ago that he thought of as an up and coming young player for the Blazers. Maybe there's something there that can be salvaged.
Maybe my memory is failing me, but didn't Outlaw give us fits a few times over the years? I don't recall him being anywhere near as bad as some are making him out to be. I think his old salary was prohibitive but I don't think he's that bad an acquisition.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
I tracked this guy's progress and his best asset in the past was his ability to get to the basket. But ever since then he has fashioned himself as a finesse player who loves to take 20 foot jumpers off the dribble with a hand in his face. He's a master of the bad shot. Also, he doesn't rebound or block as many shots as he used to, almost like his work ethic has to be questioned. He really coasts through games and probably plays at 20-30% effort. And of course, the defense is trash.
The flip side of the coin is he's only 27 and only a few years removed from being an up-and-comer, but at this stage I really think he's showing his true colors. At the end, work ethic trumps physical tools. Outlaw's starting to go down the slippery slope instead of climb back up, IMO. And it's not like we have a great coach who can possibly re-orient his mentality.
He can create shots with the second unit at his best, though. And if its 3mil over 4 years, we're not paying that much. John Salmons, Francisco Garcia and Donte Greene are names that don't bring much inspiration nowadays, and while Outlaw is clustered in that group we could use a youngish SF as a reclamation project, Salmons and Garcia are 30+ already.
The flip side of the coin is he's only 27 and only a few years removed from being an up-and-comer, but at this stage I really think he's showing his true colors. At the end, work ethic trumps physical tools. Outlaw's starting to go down the slippery slope instead of climb back up, IMO. And it's not like we have a great coach who can possibly re-orient his mentality.
He can create shots with the second unit at his best, though. And if its 3mil over 4 years, we're not paying that much. John Salmons, Francisco Garcia and Donte Greene are names that don't bring much inspiration nowadays, and while Outlaw is clustered in that group we could use a youngish SF as a reclamation project, Salmons and Garcia are 30+ already.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Your memory is not entirely shot yet.
Yes he was a guy who routinely torched us. Always worries a little bit, because we have a long history of picking those ugys up, no matter how much they suck against everybody else.
I'll again reference Gerald Wallace, someone who had great potential but didn't realize any of it until he got to Charlotte. While I'm not saying Outlaw could do a 180, I think Petrie and Co. must have seen something to pick him up. I've got my fingers crossed.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
So let's see...
We want Kirlienko.
New Jersey wants Kirilenko.
New Jersey dumps their SF and clears salary space.
We pick up New Jersey's SF and fill salary space.
a logical outcome of this progression is that New Jersey then signs Kirilenko.
We want Kirlienko.
New Jersey wants Kirilenko.
New Jersey dumps their SF and clears salary space.
We pick up New Jersey's SF and fill salary space.
a logical outcome of this progression is that New Jersey then signs Kirilenko.
Uncia03
Starter
Hopefully this won't be a logical situation, though it could easily play out the way you described.
I still am holding on to hope that New Jersey is only willing to offer a 1-year deal, and if that's the case we should have the advantage if he decides to come over.
Signing Outlaw shouldn't really impact negotiations unless we're trying to land both AK and Dalembert, and if we manage that, then most likely we'd move JT in a trade anyway.
I sort of want the AK deadline to hurry up and get here. Once that has come and gone we'll have a lot better understanding of our roster.
EIM86
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like others on this board I also remember Outlaw entered many games against us and reeled off a quick 10 or 12 points. Now that he's on our team lets hope he can do the same to all the other teams. Plus he's a vet, young and was signed for a reasonable price. Whatever can be considered reasonable when paying an NBA player.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I don't like this. I mean, why? Why not offer either AK or Daly 3M more per year instead?
I'm looking at the off season acquisitions of Hayes and Outlaw, and am not very impressed. Not at all. Thorton was a given, and took zero effort. I really hope there's something else we don't know about.
I'd say getting Salmons, Hickson and Jimmer around the draft was a success, with Salmons being the only of the three I'm iffy about.
I'd also say bringing in Hayes and Outlaw, would be a failure of a free agency period. Don't consider Thorton and acquisition. Definite failure in my eyes. Trying doesn't count in this league.
I'm looking at the off season acquisitions of Hayes and Outlaw, and am not very impressed. Not at all. Thorton was a given, and took zero effort. I really hope there's something else we don't know about.
I'd say getting Salmons, Hickson and Jimmer around the draft was a success, with Salmons being the only of the three I'm iffy about.
I'd also say bringing in Hayes and Outlaw, would be a failure of a free agency period. Don't consider Thorton and acquisition. Definite failure in my eyes. Trying doesn't count in this league.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
If Hayes and Outlaw are the major moves the Maloofs promised, I am very disappointed. Do they expect us to rush to get tickets? Even a reasonable try at a semi-star would satisfy me and they haven't done it. You can't make money with a mediocre team on the court and they don't have any reason for being so damn cheap. It doesn't pay.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Yep. With what we've been told the last few years, all the saving and cutting salary, it's just not enough. I'm not trying to whine or anything of the like, just telling it how I see it.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
If we pull a rabbit out of our hat and can convince Dalembert then I'd consider this offseason a success. If not...just eh...ok I guess...devoid of anything exciting.
SCKingsfan
Bench
Who were we gonna go after with a reasonable chance of getting that we did not? Let's be realistic. I admit that im disappointed with our seeming ambivalence related to Dalembert but I really don't think we missed out on any other chances we might have had.
Well, an attempt at Marc Gasol would have been nice despite the price tag. It's not just that the Kings weren't able to get anyone but that they weren't even in talks with most Free Agents and guys like Gasol aren't prima-donnas that are outside the Kings realm of possibilities.
I'm not advocating they throw away their capspace on one guy, but throwing it away a bit by overpaying a guy like Hayes isn't any better than overpaying a guy like Gasol.
I'm not advocating they throw away their capspace on one guy, but throwing it away a bit by overpaying a guy like Hayes isn't any better than overpaying a guy like Gasol.
macadocious
Starter
They used less than 3MM of cap space in the upcoming year. He can be traded next year (thanks circa), no way we are getting a player this talented, for that price tag anywhere else. This is a terrific signing, especially if he is going to be the 10th man.
This does not stop going after AK.
This does not stop going after AK.
He isnt as good as the 2 sf's ahead of him (salmons,garcia) and has less potential at this point than the 2 below him, so what is the point of this signing. And no more bs about the trade value. One, he's not a guy in high demand as he was absolutely awful last year, is in his late 20s and has some major weaknesses. If you wanted low cost amnesty value, you could have had billups and baron davis for around the same cost. You're telling me you couldnt have gotten draft picks, etc for those guys?
The fact is this offseason has been a joke and this is another senseless signing.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Last time I checked Glenn, they made and effort to sign Jamal Crawford, and Kirilenko. I'm assuming that they made an offer to Dalembert, but can't verify it. Lets face it, this was a poor freeagent class. There were just a few at the top and after that, all that was left was the Crawfords of the world.
ParniValjak
All-Star
So why sell it for years that THIS is our year. You generally know years in advance what the free agency pool is going to be like. We pushed for the summer of 2011 when everyone else was clearing cap room for summer of 2010.
The problem is that we have used up majority of our cap space without actually getting much better because we now have more holes than we did at the end of last year but the problem is we have blown up most of our cap space without actually getting significantly better. Thats just about the biggest sin you can do in basketball. It takes years to rebuild and create cap space but just one off season to **** it all up. Not saying that we have done it but we have blown most of the cap space and we are not a lot better, if at all actually.
