Trade Martin for Hedo

[CaAllDay]

I was upset when we traded Hedo, i always felt like his all around game had more value then the great regular season 3 point shooting of peja. Sign and trade hedo for martin, he fills our three spot(i like hedo better then nocioni he can come off bench), garcia drops down to the starting 2 guard which will increase our defense and overall toughness. With the opportunity to add some quality rookies we might be able to be good better then expected...

why does orlando do it, lewis can go back to his natural position sf, and add martin with howard nelson and the rest of the team, they can compete for a ring.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

ahhh.......NO.

 

[vikinginferno]

I was upset when we traded Hedo, i always felt like his all around game had more value then the great regular season 3 point shooting of peja. Sign and trade hedo for martin, he fills our three spot(i like hedo better then nocioni he can come off bench), garcia drops down to the starting 2 guard which will increase our defense and overall toughness. With the opportunity to add some quality rookies we might be able to be good better then expected...

why does orlando do it, lewis can go back to his natural position sf, and add martin with howard nelson and the rest of the team, they can compete for a ring.

Hedo is a few years too old for what we want. He's a great player, but not what we need.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

Kmart needs to use Doug Christie's offer to work with him and use his speed a lot better on defense.

 

[Bricklayer]

Hedo is a FA this summer, or will be when he opts out. I have advocated trying to pick him up, but not in a trade for Kevin. There is some similarity in thought there -- I too crave the versatility, passing, and ballsiness of a Noc/Cisco/Hedo trio over Kevin's one sided flopathon. But if you do move Kevin, it has to be for an impact player, or a top young prospect, not a 30 yr old (who is a FA anyway).

Sign Hedo, then use Kevin to nab Rubio or something and at least now you are talking (although you have to believe in Rubio for thatr -- its a dangferous move).

 

[bozzwell]

Hedo is a FA this summer, or will be when he opts out. I have advocated trying to pick him up, but not in a trade for Kevin. There is some similarity in thought there -- I too crave the versatility, passing, and ballsiness of a Noc/Cisco/Hedo trio over Kevin's one sided flopathon. But if you do move Kevin, it has to be for an impact player, or a top young prospect, not a 30 yr old (who is a FA anyway).

Sign Hedo, then use Kevin to nab Rubio or something and at least now you are talking (although you have to believe in Rubio for thatr -- its a dangferous move).

Actually, you just outlined a really, really good AND doable plan. I'm in.

 

[CaAllDay]

k mart is soft as heck, cant finish with his left hand plays zero defense, he scores alot of meaningless points. Hedo is 30 i wouldt say hes over the hill jus quite yet, in any rebuild u need a couple proven vets right? oh no a 6'10 guy who is a triple threat who would want that...

 

[Showtime]

Why get Hedo when you have two guys getting paid to do the same job: Garcia and Noc?

 

[Nighthawk1]

Hedo is a FA this summer, or will be when he opts out. I have advocated trying to pick him up, but not in a trade for Kevin. There is some similarity in thought there -- I too crave the versatility, passing, and ballsiness of a Noc/Cisco/Hedo trio over Kevin's one sided flopathon. But if you do move Kevin, it has to be for an impact player, or a top young prospect, not a 30 yr old (who is a FA anyway).

Sign Hedo, then use Kevin to nab Rubio or something and at least now you are talking (although you have to believe in Rubio for thatr -- its a dangferous move).

Agree 100% with you like usual on this subject lol. KMart gets traded for a young prospect/impact player (even if its a dangerous draft move).

 

[VF21]

k mart is soft as heck, cant finish with his left hand plays zero defense, he scores alot of meaningless points. Hedo is 30 i wouldt say hes over the hill jus quite yet, in any rebuild u need a couple proven vets right? oh no a 6'10 guy who is a triple threat who would want that...

Oh good. Once again someone has to bash Martin to attempt to strengthen a trade proposal.

Why not just go for what you think will improve the team? Kevin CAN finish with his left hand, he's working on his defense and last time I checked, there's really no such thing as a lot of meaningless points.

 

[CaAllDay]

Why get Hedo when you have two guys getting paid to do the same job: Garcia and Noc?

garcia is an effective sg, noc can come off the bench we need depth.

 

[CaAllDay]

Oh good. Once again someone has to bash Martin to attempt to strengthen a trade proposal.

Why not just go for what you think will improve the team? Kevin CAN finish with his left hand, he's working on his defense and last time I checked, there's really no such thing as a lot of meaningless points.

if he scores 30 but cant stop the opposing player what good is it. Defense wins, the # 7 leading scorer on the worst team in the leauge thats meaningless. i watch all the games im sure you guys do to, how many times this year have we gave him the iso @ the top of the key @ the end of games and he doesnt even get a shot off, am i the only one who seen that all year. He was hurt for awhile i do realize, hes a good player he would do orlando more good then us.

 

[Gary]

k mart is soft as heck, cant finish with his left hand plays zero defense, he scores alot of meaningless points. Hedo is 30 i wouldt say hes over the hill jus quite yet, in any rebuild u need a couple proven vets right? oh no a 6'10 guy who is a triple threat who would want that...

You lost me with this post..

 

[Telemachus]

if he scores 30 but cant stop the opposing player what good is it. Defense wins, the # 7 leading scorer on the worst team in the leauge thats meaningless. i watch all the games im sure you guys do to, how many times this year have we gave him the iso @ the top of the key @ the end of games and he doesnt even get a shot off, am i the only one who seen that all year. He was hurt for awhile i do realize, hes a good player he would do orlando more good then us.

This is a case of blaming a player for NOT doing something that isn't his strength. Martin is NOT a iso type player. He is a very good scorer in a team oriented offense. If you ask him to do an isolation play to score the big basket, your best hope is that he gets to the FT line.

I would compare him offensely to a player along the lines of Reggie Miller. He didn't do a lot of iso plays. His team set a lot of screens for him to get the clear shot at the end of games.

As for defense being the key to winning, I don't competely agree. You will be hard-pressed to find a great defesive team that won anything without also having a good offense. I'm not saying that defense isn't important, just that you won't win anything in the NBA if you can't score points. Not to mention that teams that only play defense are extremely boring to watch.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

garcia is an effective sg, noc can come off the bench we need depth.

Noce is our starting SF last time I checked, and I dont expect that to change any time soon.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Oh good. Once again someone has to bash Martin to attempt to strengthen a trade proposal.

Why not just go for what you think will improve the team? Kevin CAN finish with his left hand, he's working on his defense and last time I checked, there's really no such thing as a lot of meaningless points.

We can all hope that Kevin becomes at least an AVERAGE defender sometime in the near future, his game would be more complete then...Doug Christie would be a good start for Kevin.

 

[Showtime]

garcia is an effective sg, noc can come off the bench we need depth.

First off, Garcia is a swingman who can play point-forward type role and that's what Hedo can do also. Noc is a bigger forward who can move from the 3 to the 4 on smaller lineups and has range to the 3, and that's what Hedo does too. They both do things on the floor that Hedo does, and that creates two problems:

1. Money
2. Playing Time

Hedo will be a free agent, and he's said he wants to get paid before the new salary agreement comes up. The Kings don't have the money to spend straight up in free agency to get him here, especially when they are paying Noc 8 million and Garcia 6 million to do the same things. The only way would be to include one in a sign and trade or multi team deal.

Second, even if we lived in the fantasy land where Sac bought him in free agency straight up, that would still create playing time issues. Garcia can't run point permanently. Martin will be playing heavy minutes at the 2. That leaves Noc and Hedo with the 3/4 positions, and they won't be playing much 4 with the development of JT and Hawes. So the team would have a logjam with very expensive pieces and that's not going to happen.

 

[kingsnation]

k mart is soft as heck, cant finish with his left hand plays zero defense, he scores alot of meaningless points. Hedo is 30 i wouldt say hes over the hill jus quite yet, in any rebuild u need a couple proven vets right? oh no a 6'10 guy who is a triple threat who would want that...

Um.. Meaningless points?



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I'd want Hedo as a FA for a reasonable price, not in a trade.

 

[Bricklayer]

First off, Garcia is a swingman who can play point-forward type role and that's what Hedo can do also. Noc is a bigger forward who can move from the 3 to the 4 on smaller lineups and has range to the 3, and that's what Hedo does too. They both do things on the floor that Hedo does, and that creates two problems:

1. Money
2. Playing Time

Hedo will be a free agent, and he's said he wants to get paid before the new salary agreement comes up. The Kings don't have the money to spend straight up in free agency to get him here, especially when they are paying Noc 8 million and Garcia 6 million to do the same things. The only way would be to include one in a sign and trade or multi team deal.

Second, even if we lived in the fantasy land where Sac bought him in free agency straight up, that would still create playing time issues. Garcia can't run point permanently. Martin will be playing heavy minutes at the 2. That leaves Noc and Hedo with the 3/4 positions, and they won't be playing much 4 with the development of JT and Hawes. So the team would have a logjam with very expensive pieces and that's not going to happen.

Well, the proposal was to swap Hedo for Martin, so the rotation would have been something like this:

SG -- Cisco, Hedo, ? (McCants?)
SF -- Noc, Hedo
PF -- Thompson, Hedo, Noc, ?

But of course as I mentioned to the OP, Hedo is a FA, so if he arrives Kevin would still be here unless we traded him for something else -- goes back to my disappointment in Wall not declaring this year. I would have traded Kevin to get Wall. Rubio..?

 

[Kings Faithful]

Lets trade all of our young building blocks for expiring veterans and unknows! Jason Thompson isn't as good as Amare Stoudamire or Blake Griffin, even thoe he hasn't played a game... TRADE! Spencer Hawes is pretty good and he is only 21 but he isn't as Andris Biedrins or Dirk Nowitzki...TRADE HIM! Kevin Martin is alright...but he doesn't play defense like Doug Christie... TRADE HIM for Hedo who is 30 and expiring anyways! Lets trade our first round draft picks for Ray Allen... because Ray Allen is proven to be good and chances are our draft picks won't be as good as him...

 

[FakeInjury]

Hedo ain't a game changer in the scheme of things. He doesn't make us worse and doesn't get us into the playoffs either. I would rather not revert back to the 2001 roster even if it did make sense. Hedo shouldn't even explore this. Petrie usually likes to sign guys like VON Wafer for the veteran minimum.....hey speaking of VON Wafer, Lets throw some bucks at him, he would probaly go for 20ppg in a kings uni.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Yeah, Wafer is looks like he is going to be a Ben Gordon type playerr... He was chucking up shots alot...but hell, they went in... Thats the aim of the game, no?

 

[CaAllDay]

Lets trade all of our young building blocks for expiring veterans and unknows! Jason Thompson isn't as good as Amare Stoudamire or Blake Griffin, even thoe he hasn't played a game... TRADE! Spencer Hawes is pretty good and he is only 21 but he isn't as Andris Biedrins or Dirk Nowitzki...TRADE HIM! Kevin Martin is alright...but he doesn't play defense like Doug Christie... TRADE HIM for Hedo who is 30 and expiring anyways! Lets trade our first round draft picks for Ray Allen... because Ray Allen is proven to be good and chances are our draft picks won't be as good as him...

Hedo 30 Ray allen 34 soon to be 35. i dont want martin to be christie , my issue with martin is he can not create his own shot under distress, when the d locks in and he gets crowded rarely does he even look under control. He is a good scorer but i just think the team will not be succesful with him on it as one of the main guys, so u get him of the books for a player who is way more versitle, u get a vet. Hedo as a FA depends on the deal, but the sign and trade yes.

Personally i would have kept salmons over him, or @ least have gotten hinrich outta the deal.

 

[Sac.1989]

the issue at large here is we need a number 1 scoring option who can preferably get his own shot. Martin as a number 2 option is great. If we get first pick in the upcoming draft then Griffin can develop into that number 1 option we need, maybe not being able to create his own shot but at least taking alot of the scoring pressure away from martin and letting him do what he does best.

 

[Bricklayer]

the issue at large here is we need a number 1 scoring option who can preferably get his own shot. Martin as a number 2 option is great. If we get first pick in the upcoming draft then Griffin can develop into that number 1 option we need, maybe not being able to create his own shot but at least taking alot of the scoring pressure away from martin and letting him do what he does best.

That's an issue to be sure, but there a number of other issues as well -- defense, leadership, size, cluth ability, versatility...all things that this team used to have spades back when we were good, and all things sadly lacking in our current incarnation. Without the #1 player it does not matter, but even with the #1 player, the guys you want to surround him with typically look a lot like Hedo.

 

[bozzwell]

That's an issue to be sure, but there a number of other issues as well -- defense, leadership, size, cluth ability, versatility...all things that this team used to have spades back when we were good, and all things sadly lacking in our current incarnation. Without the #1 player it does not matter, but even with the #1 player, the guys you want to surround him with typically look a lot like Hedo.

Really? Must they all have the same, very unfortunate face?

 

[bperiod]

I'm personally not ready to give up on KMart just yet. I believe we are set up to have a nice roster built for the future depending on what happens Tuesday. If we get the first pick...BLAKE GRIFFIN is the future folks! Big, Strong, AND Athletic with HEART! That is what we need. Blake, Hawes, and JT make a fantastic frontline going forward. PLUS we have another first rounder and early second rounder to grab a PG. Regardless if we were to get Hedo or not. We are not a playoff team next year. So I would like to put the pieces in place for years to come thru the draft.

KMart is a 2nd option kind of guy and if we get BG I believe it would open things up to let him do what he doesn best, Slash and get to the line and/or hit open jumpers.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Hedo 30 Ray allen 34 soon to be 35. i dont want martin to be christie , my issue with martin is he can not create his own shot under distress, when the d locks in and he gets crowded rarely does he even look under control. He is a good scorer but i just think the team will not be succesful with him on it as one of the main guys, so u get him of the books for a player who is way more versitle, u get a vet. Hedo as a FA depends on the deal, but the sign and trade yes.

Personally i would have kept salmons over him, or @ least have gotten hinrich outta the deal.

It was super sarcasm...

 

[Kingster]

Oh good. Once again someone has to bash Martin to attempt to strengthen a trade proposal.

Why not just go for what you think will improve the team? Kevin CAN finish with his left hand, he's working on his defense and last time I checked, there's really no such thing as a lot of meaningless points.

I don't buy that Martin is "working on" his defense. It's not exactly like a shooting technique. It's 80% effort, and Martin has shown repeatedly that he will not consistently put out the effort that defense requires. On the other hand, Martin will talk about putting out the effort on D. Maybe that's what he's doing - rehearsing his lines for next year when he's asked about his defense.

 

[Aenadin]

not unless that trade included them swallowing benos contract and us getting martin gortat and lee into the mix..

but i think martin is locked in sactown for now isnt his agent a position holder with the kings right now?