Trade for Kevin Garnett

[no1kingsfan]

I was wondering if the Kings traded Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, and a First Round pick to Minnesota for Kevin Garnett. What do you think? I am not sure of the numbers for this trade so maybe we could throw in Jason Hart or somebody else's contract. Let me know what you think!!

 

[nbrans]

I've been thinking a lot about this and I think it's next to impossible for the Kings to get Garnett without giving up Kevin Martin.

If the Wolves trade Garnett they're going straight into rebuilding mode. They're going to want a young stud, preferably two, and expiring contracts. Basically you have to beat the Bulls. The Bulls can offer some combination of PJ Brown's expiring contract, two out of Thomas/Gordon/Deng/Duhon and a high first round pick (the Knicks' pick).

The Kings can offer them $10 million in expiring contracts, which helps. But they'd have no need for Brad Milller or KT, so you can take them off the list. Who knows if they'd want Bibby since he can opt out in the offseason. I don't know if Minnesota would trade their franchise player for Artest. So you're looking at a best offer of Coliss/Pota/Kevin Martin/Garcia/SAR? plus a mid-first round pick. That would be a painful trade from the Kings' standpoint, and yet I still don't know if it would beat the Bulls' offer.

I just don't see it happening unless the Wolves wait until the offseason and the Kings pull off a S&T with Bibby. Basically, as much as I want to see it happen I don't see it happening.

EDIT: Actually, the Wolves might take Bibby on if they want to accept the risk that he'd opt out -- at worst they could go after a free agent with the cap space, or they could keep him or use him in a S&T. In that case the offer might look something like Corliss/Pota/Martin/Garcia/Bibby/1st for Garnett and Hudson.

 

[no1kingsfan]

Thanks for the response. I knew it was a long shot but I think it would really help our team out right now. He would be such a great addition to the Kings. But I kind of figured it would be next to impossible.

 

[VF21]

Go back into the older threads and you'll see just about every possible combination of trade scenarios to try and find a way to get Kevin Garnett into a Kings uniform.

Unfortunately, there are other teams out there who can offer much more than what the Kings can put on the table. If Petrie could pull something out of his hat, I would immediately nominate him for sainthood...

 

[LPKingsFan]

While the Bulls offer is clearly superior, I'm not convinced they'd do it. Plus, KG isn't the only one out there. As I said in another thread, it's just as likely that Iverson, JO and Gasol are on the market by the trade deadline as well.

While the Kings may not have the best package out there, I'd like to think that Miller/SAR/Garcia/pick would be competitve enough (I'm not sure why you discount Miller on the TWolves so much). I see Lakers, Chicago, possibly Orlando as the leading suitors, but there's a lot of what if's. Like Orlando could go after Carter in free agency instead, or the Lakers might decide to hold on to Bynum. Definitely a lot of possibilities, but Petrie better do his damn best to see what's out there.

 

[Fresno King]

Do not, I repeat, DO NOT trade Kevin Martin in a deal for the 30 year old Kevin Garnett.

Corliss/Potato/Hart/1st rounder/2nd rounder/Miller/Garcia/Thomas works for me, but how will we fill out our roster? I have 1 spot open if we re-sign Justin Williams. Jim Jackson plays like a 3 at times, so how's this:

PG-Bibby, Price, Hudson
SG-Martin, Douby, Salmons
SF-Artest, Jim Jackson
PF-Garnett, Justin Williams, Taylor
C-Abdur-Rahim

Like this is really going to happen in the first place.

 

[Troy]

I was wondering if the Kings traded Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, and a First Round pick to Minnesota for Kevin Garnett. What do you think? I am not sure of the numbers for this trade so maybe we could throw in Jason Hart or somebody else's contract. Let me know what you think!!

Based on your comment I thought this was breaking news!!!

The Bulls will sure be scary if they get KG with Ben. They sure have a lot of young guys and are quite the team all of a sudden. We are in a rebuilding mode as well and unless we do something soon, we should go for young good talent and build for the future. Bibby and Miller, and SAR aren't getting any younger and if we aren't there we have good potential in KMart, Price, Salmons, Artest, possibly Cisco to build for the future. While I would like to throw a good young big man like maybe Justin Williams, we let the guy walk. I'd love it if we had a young big stud in Dwight Howard or a young full of potential Darko, why does Orlando get all the young talented big men?

 

[Heuge]

Do not, I repeat, DO NOT trade Kevin Martin in a deal for the 30 year old Kevin Garnett.

Corliss/Potato/Hart/1st rounder/2nd rounder/Miller/Garcia/Thomas works for me, but how will we fill out our roster? I have 1 spot open if we re-sign Justin Williams. Jim Jackson plays like a 3 at times, so how's this:

PG-Bibby, Price, Hudson
SG-Martin, Douby, Salmons
SF-Artest, Jim Jackson
PF-Garnett, Justin Williams, Taylor
C-Abdur-Rahim

Like this is really going to happen in the first place.

KG is proven. Special K is not.

A KG for Kmart and B52 + change would put us in line to win a championship now and for the next 5 years. Any deal not invovling the kid would have no shot with Minny.

 

[Bricklayer]

As for the OP: unfortunately not working. Takes two to tango, and that deal isn't even remotely enough to land a KG. Great for us though.


However, the other way, using Kevin as the trade piece along with Brad could actually work. It results in this starting lineup:

C- SAR
PF- Garnett
SF- Artest
OG- Salmons
PG- Bibby

Which by all rights looks like a championship contender. Might need some tinkering over the summer to actually ge over the hump and win a title -- might have to send Geoff on a vacation to Tahiti for a few weeks and sneak in a trade or free agent over 6'9" while he's away to give us a legit 4/5 big in there for instance, but that is a squad that should by all rights make serious runs at an NBA championship.

You make one good signing at the midlevel next summer -- wonder if Magloire has gotten himself down to that level yet with lackluster play in Portland? --maybe see if you can get Griffin thrown in the deal or whatever, and nobody wants to play you. Nobody. Dallas' best three are Dirk/Howard/Terry. San Antonio's best three are Duncan/Manu/Parker. Our best three become KG/Ron/Bibby -- who's better?


And that's really not about Kevin or not Kevin -- clearly in a perfect world you want to keep him. But its not a perfect world, and this is about an opportunity to put together a 60win type team and make serious serious runs at the title again.

 

[LilMissDiva]

That does sound like an amazing combo - maybe worth a serious consideration on both sides.

Only two things scare me, Garnett is older and might become more injury prone as is what comes naturally with age. Kevin might become somewhat of a beast in time and we will be sorry down the line if this happens.

On the other hand, if Garnett stays healthy and with the renewal of wanting to play to win a championship we might see us there much faster than waiting for Kevin M and Ronnie Price to grow more. Then, if Kevin M is just having a lucky streak and we are able to pull off the deal of the century for mega superstar KG then we lucked out big time.

Ugh! Trade talk... It's so emotional!

 

[AriesMar27]

whats everyones obsession with playing reef at center? and if the wolves are willing to go into full rebuilding mode, wouldnt trading our expiring pieces along with reef and salmons seem more attractive than brad and whomever...

depending on who the wolves draft... reef and salmons would be better for them in the long run because they have smaller contracts, would be easier to move or just keep later on... sounds familiar, hmmmm....

if it takes kevin, so be it... i suppose... though id rather keep him and trade salmons... simply because garcia doesnt make enough to trade him with reef. the wolves have foye and mike james i dont see why we would trade martin. salmons would make more sense at sf once davis is gone.

bibby
martin
artest
kg
miller

championship..... reef at center... pray that we make it to the 2nd round....

 

[Bricklayer]

There's no obsession with playing Reef at center -- just the practicalities of the situation. KG would cost. And yes, the number one goal after any such trade would be to get a real center and turn Reef back into a scoring 6th man. That said, given the best pair of defensive, and this year, rebounding, forwards in the game, you could do far more than just tread water even if it was Reef.

 

[Troy]

Bibby and Miller for KG.

Price/Salmons
KMart/Salmons
Artest/Cisco/Salmons
K9/SAR/Corliss
KG/SAR/Pot

We are not going anywhere and Bibby is at a cross roads after this season and is making huge $12-14M/yr I'd trade for youth or a HOFer as Brick says in KG.

Brad has his moments on D as he did last night at SA and keeping Duncan in check. He is a great passer, but is much more suited to the Princeton system under RA then Muss so if we are going to make a run at KG this is the time! Miller & Bibby for KG and young PG/young big from the Wolves to make it work. This is a bitter sweet trade because we know that Miller & Bibby are/were Allstars and near the top in their position, but we are talking about KG here. With Kmart, SAR, Salmons, Artest, Price, Cisco to back him up, I think we have a great Defensive group here as well as enough scoring. We have really changed direction 180 and get our points from limiting the other team from scoring and have good young guys in KMart and Price at the guards who are very quick and good athletes.

Bibby is making way to much to be the huge defensive liability he is. I know the guy is clutch and what he has done for us in the past, but he is really a short SG, and we need a true PG who distributes the ball and shoots if his teamates don't have better looks and he has an opening.

 

[Warhawk]

Then again, maybe not....

Garnett angered by rumors, not unhappy with Wolves


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2685714

Kevin Garnett has been through a lot in Minnesota, and he's not about to let the media tell him what he should be doing with his career.
On Sunday, the former MVP squashed rumors of his discontent in Minnesota and suggestions that he'd be better off searching for a championship elsewhere.
"I've never said I [was] unhappy," Garnett said after the Timberwolves beat the Philadelphia 76ers 95-84. "I don't know where y'all get that [expletive] from. None of y'all have asked me that."
The team's lack of success in Garnett's 11 seasons in Minnesota -- they've won just two playoff series -- has led many to propose that it's time for a change of scenery for the beleaguered perennial All-Star. Though Garnett won't use the word "unhappy," he made no secret about where the criticism for the Timberwolves' struggles should be directed.
"People feel sorry for me?" Garnett said. "I don't go out and scout players. I don't do any of the front office stuff. This thing's bigger than Kevin Garnett. I'm a piece, but ... I don't want nobody to feel sorry for me. I bust my [butt] to come in and be consistent every year. If you want to feel sorry for somebody, feel sorry for the people who put the team together and haven't put me in a position to be in those situations. Don't feel sorry for me."
The Timberwolves front office has faced plenty of criticism for its decisions in Garnett's tenure, most notably the illegal contract deal reached with Joe Smith which cost the team $3.5 million in fines and four first-round draft picks.
Fiercely loyal, Garnett has opted twice to re-sign with the Timberwolves rather than explore other options. And even though jumping ship to win a title sounds great, Garnett said Sunday there are no sure things.
"There isn't any guarantee that you're going to win if you go to a new team," Garnett said. "The teams that are supposed to be the best in the West, some of those teams are dealing with some of the things we're dealing with: chemistry, ball movement, all that stuff. That's around the league."
Those contracts Garnett signed, though, have locked up more than $200 million of the franchise's money and have made it difficult for the team to bring in other free agents to help the cornerstone.
The Wolves tried in 2003-04 by splurging to bring in veterans Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell. The plan worked initially, as Minnesota finished the regular season with the best record in the Western Conference, but a back injury limited Cassell's effectiveness and eventually forced him out of the conference finals where the team lost to the Los Angeles Lakers in six games.
That was the first time in eight playoff appearances where the Wolves had won a series, and they haven't returned to the postseason since.
Garnett, 30, is signed with the Wolves through the 2007-08 season with a player option for 2008-09.
The Wolves improved to 7-9 with Sunday's win and are six games out of first place in the Northwest Division.

 

[VF21]

Well, that pretty much takes the air out of this current "Garnett trade" balloon, doesn't it?

 

[Troy]

Well, that pretty much takes the air out of this current "Garnett trade" balloon, doesn't it?

It sure does KG have way to much integrity doesn't he? Well he is making the big bucks and is the man in Minny and pretty much anywhere he goes. Well if their GM can be tempted enough then the rug could be pulled out and he should come over. Then it's not him that left, but was forced out due to a deal (trade), not due to $ or his discontent with the organization. See we just have to give a good trade like Bibby and Miller and the Wolves will really have to think long and hard about it. If they do agree to the trade, it is the GM (organization) and not KG making the decision.

KG is entering his 11th season, darn getting quite a few miles on him. He is amazing, but that is a lot of milage. Bibby and Miller are high mileage as well and both tops at their position so who knows? The salaries come out close at least.

I think a KG at Center/PF and K9 starting as he is and SAR 6th man off the bench for 4/5 and Salmons 6/7th man subbing in at 1-3 works with Cisco, Price, Corliss to fill in the cracks works and should get us farther than we are headed now into the playoffs.

 

[VF21]

I think a KG at Center/PF and K9 starting as he is and SAR 6th man off the bench for 4/5 and Salmons 6/7th man subbing in at 1-3 works with Cisco, Price, Corliss to fill in the cracks works and should get us farther than we are headed now into the playoffs.

You might want to try that in your NBA Live 07, because apparently that's about the only possibility you have of seeing it.

 

[Troy]

You might want to try that in your NBA Live 07, because apparently that's about the only possibility you have of seeing it.

Sad but true probably.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well, that pretty much takes the air out of this current "Garnett trade" balloon, doesn't it?

Oddly that's not how I read that article at all. Reread those quotes. In the second one its the closest I've ever seen Garnett come to calling out his owner and GM. Which is accordingly the closest I have yet seen him come to agitating for change. As the heat gets turned up on McHale and the owner from all sides, the more likely something happens. Now of course what SHOULD happen is McHale should get canned, as in yesterday, just for appearances if nothing else. But barring that I'm not at all sure how tenable its becoming for McHale to be there riding Garnett's career down to the bitter end with KG increasingly restive and critical.