(Trade Artest for a solid PF) and Let Cisco start
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but that's not happening.....
http://www.nypost.com/seven/0707200...to_deal_lee_for_artest_knicks_marc_berman.htm
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Well, you missed the whole point....
Actually I was more interested hearing your opinion if Cisco is ready to start.... Can he do it like Kmart did it on his 3rd year......???
Or will he be just a big disappointment this year.... (I just hope not)
I am sorry guys if I ask too much Q.... I wish I can watch SacKings games as often as you guys do......
I don't live in the US.
But I have always been a Kings' fan.
Actually I was more interested hearing your opinion if Cisco is ready to start.... Can he do it like Kmart did it on his 3rd year......???
Or will he be just a big disappointment this year.... (I just hope not)
I am sorry guys if I ask too much Q.... I wish I can watch SacKings games as often as you guys do......
I don't live in the US.
But I have always been a Kings' fan.
Welcome to Kingsfans.com! We're always very happy to see fans from overseas posting.
As far as your question about Cisco goes, I'll try and answer it for you.
I think Cisco has a lot of potential. But, just like Jason Williams back when he also has some problems he really needs to work on. He's like the young labrador puppy who will do anything he can to please you, to the point of knocking over the furniture and destroying the china.
What I mean is that he has to learn a bit more control, primarily mentally. You cannot question his heart. He plays with hustle and conviction that I personally love to see. But he also plays right on the edge of being out of control. That's where, I think, a lot of his turnovers come from.
But having said all that, I would have no problems whatsoever with having Cisco start next season if Artest is traded. We're a team trying to rebuild and find a new identity. We're going to have to find out sooner or later if Cisco is going to be a part of the future of the team. Why not now? I sure think seeing him, Kevin, Spencer and Justin on the court, along with Bibby and/or whatever PG is brought in to spearhead the youth movement will be exciting if nothing else.
As far as your question about Cisco goes, I'll try and answer it for you.
I think Cisco has a lot of potential. But, just like Jason Williams back when he also has some problems he really needs to work on. He's like the young labrador puppy who will do anything he can to please you, to the point of knocking over the furniture and destroying the china.
What I mean is that he has to learn a bit more control, primarily mentally. You cannot question his heart. He plays with hustle and conviction that I personally love to see. But he also plays right on the edge of being out of control. That's where, I think, a lot of his turnovers come from.
But having said all that, I would have no problems whatsoever with having Cisco start next season if Artest is traded. We're a team trying to rebuild and find a new identity. We're going to have to find out sooner or later if Cisco is going to be a part of the future of the team. Why not now? I sure think seeing him, Kevin, Spencer and Justin on the court, along with Bibby and/or whatever PG is brought in to spearhead the youth movement will be exciting if nothing else.
Considering our situation - it is totally irrelevant who starts and who is ready. If Cisco isn't ready to start in this situation when it really doesn't matter - he will never be ready in any other situation.
As for "solid PF" - what is the definition of that expression. We have bunch of garbage and semi garbage covering the 4 & 5. All we need is another "body" taking away minutes from the rookie. Even if we don't play small and use somewhat normal rotation - some of the veterans won't play enough in their opinion. We don't need another Mo Taylor. We need to get rid of our flexible pieces first and foremost. So far - no luck.
As for "solid PF" - what is the definition of that expression. We have bunch of garbage and semi garbage covering the 4 & 5. All we need is another "body" taking away minutes from the rookie. Even if we don't play small and use somewhat normal rotation - some of the veterans won't play enough in their opinion. We don't need another Mo Taylor. We need to get rid of our flexible pieces first and foremost. So far - no luck.
I think Garcia is ready to start. Sure he isnt fully polished, but the more he plays the more he gets better and comfortable and he showed that at the end of last year when he was getting some consistent playing time. He has great length and good defense and he can score, I definitely would like to see him get the starting job if we do trade Artest.
One thing I'm curious about is how Theus will use Cisco, since Theus said Musselman didn't use him properly. Having said that, I agree with VF. Now is the time to find out what Cisco can do. He can prove he's a worthy starter, a solid bencher or just can't get his game under control and make smarter decisions.
I love Cisco's heart and am hoping this is his year, though.
I love Cisco's heart and am hoping this is his year, though.
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If that trade doesnt work out Petrie can always fall back on Artest to Orlando for Howard
Anyways...As far as Cisco being ready to start: definately! He put together a good string of games to end the season, and I think if he were given consistent starter minutes he'd put up something like 14/6.5/4/1/1.
Anyways...As far as Cisco being ready to start: definately! He put together a good string of games to end the season, and I think if he were given consistent starter minutes he'd put up something like 14/6.5/4/1/1.
Then in all seriousness, I recommend you cover your eyes if you equate sucking with losing.
I think we'll have a team that's a lot more fun to watch if the kids get to play, but they aren't gonna win a lot of games right away. And that's good. We're a team that's rebuilding. Embrace it and prepare for a couple of years of not making the playoffs. And, when you take a peek at the Western Conference, that's probably a good thing. There are a lot of really horrendously strong teams out there right now - and I'd just as soon not have to see the Kings flushed out of the playoffs by any of them.
I think we'll have a team that's a lot more fun to watch if the kids get to play, but they aren't gonna win a lot of games right away. And that's good. We're a team that's rebuilding. Embrace it and prepare for a couple of years of not making the playoffs. And, when you take a peek at the Western Conference, that's probably a good thing. There are a lot of really horrendously strong teams out there right now - and I'd just as soon not have to see the Kings flushed out of the playoffs by any of them.
8th seed is not at all worse than sucking. If we have a good season despite being expected to be a low lottery team then it looks attractive to players from other teams who are FA's. If we lose Artest and Mike's contracts after this year that would be around 22 million in cap space to persue free agents.
Free agents want to come to teams that can compete. If we give off the appearence of being an up and coming team by getting into the playoffs with this roster then we will appear a lot more attractive to free agents and could maybe even land a big time player like an Elton Brand.
For an example of what I'm talking about look at the recent talks between the Warriors and Wolves about Kevin Garnett and compare them with trade talks between the Celtics and Wolves. Garnett didn't want to go to a team that he new had no chance of competing for a championship, so he was able to prevent a trade from happening with the Celtics. Golden State, despite not being that great of a team, still has a chance to land a big name player in a trade because of what they accomplished this season and in the playoffs. They would also be a strong contender in the free agent market if they had cap space.
So we shouldn't just attempt to tank the season in hopes that we get a good draft pick. We need to instead focus on rebuilding through trades and free agency if at all possible, and winning improves our ability to construct a good team through those means.
edit: What should be avoided though, is a season like this last one. We are honestly in the worst possible position to improve our team right now. Due to losing, our players have lowered values which makes trade more difficult. And we won just enough games to not have a good draft pick that could help us significantly in the next season. It also makes it more difficult for us to steal free agents away.
Free agents want to come to teams that can compete. If we give off the appearence of being an up and coming team by getting into the playoffs with this roster then we will appear a lot more attractive to free agents and could maybe even land a big time player like an Elton Brand.
For an example of what I'm talking about look at the recent talks between the Warriors and Wolves about Kevin Garnett and compare them with trade talks between the Celtics and Wolves. Garnett didn't want to go to a team that he new had no chance of competing for a championship, so he was able to prevent a trade from happening with the Celtics. Golden State, despite not being that great of a team, still has a chance to land a big name player in a trade because of what they accomplished this season and in the playoffs. They would also be a strong contender in the free agent market if they had cap space.
So we shouldn't just attempt to tank the season in hopes that we get a good draft pick. We need to instead focus on rebuilding through trades and free agency if at all possible, and winning improves our ability to construct a good team through those means.
edit: What should be avoided though, is a season like this last one. We are honestly in the worst possible position to improve our team right now. Due to losing, our players have lowered values which makes trade more difficult. And we won just enough games to not have a good draft pick that could help us significantly in the next season. It also makes it more difficult for us to steal free agents away.
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