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jdbraver
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Would you trade the #7 for either of these two? Seems like Flynn is out in Minn, but he underperformed last year.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
i'd rather have fredette
Section 101
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Thornton and Flynn are the same types of players.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
They're really not. In fact, they're nothing alike...
Regardless, I wouldn't trade 7 for either of those guys. Neither are what we need. Flynn is undersized and probably will be nothing more than a good backup. Jennings is an idiot, and I don't believe he's a winner. We can get a good player at 7. I'd prefer Knight, Walker, Fredette, Singleton, Burks, Hamilton etc. over either of those two.
est.1999
Starter
Wtf.
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LWP777
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There is no way the Bucks would trade Jennings for the #7 pick.
Section 101
All-Star
I didnt say they were equal. They are the same type as in 2 guards in pg's bodies.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Ditto!
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Marcus is 6'4", which is while by no means gigantic, not an unheard of height for a SG. Flynn on the other hand is short for a PG (i.e. barely 5'11" on a good day).
We don't really need another guard like Flynn or Jennings right now. If Minnesota wants to dump Flynn for nothing, than sure we can fit him in somewhere, but certainly not for the #7 pick. I think the Bucks would want a lot for Jennings and he's not a great fit with Tyreke and Thornton anyway. I'm even wary of drafting Kemba Walker with our pick (a better comparison to Flynn, btw) because I don't know where we'd fit him in and I'm only in favor of drafting Knight (if he's available) because I think his talent is good enough that we'd be dumb not to draft him. We have a pretty good three guard rotation already so moving our pick for another guard is only worth it if they're going to be a clear upgrade. We could also upgrade our frontcourt or our SF position with that pick, it shouldn't be given away lightly.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
interesting. I doubt this would ever happen due to the fact that daly would have to agree to be sign n traded to utah.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
The thing is, Tyreke is a chucker and hasn't shown anything in his second year. They both, however, were excellent players in their rookie years. I expect both to bounce back from their second year slumps. I just don't see how anyone can disregard Jennings' quickness. He has extraordinary quickness, which he barely knows how to use right now. He's like a supercharged jet with a barely functioning steering mechanism. He could easily take it to the Connelly level in his play, and probably will exceed that level because of his shooting ability.
wow really? #7 for Flynn? the guy is a disaster in the league why would we bail out the twolves for a guy who sucks and is more of a detriment to a team than a positive. Jennings is not that much better, he's a chucker and rail thin, plays horrible defense and has a bad attitude and makes bad decisions. neither of these guys can hold tyreke's or Marcus thorntons jockstraps
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I don't want Flynn or Jennings. I'd rather take a chance on Jimmer, Kemba, or Knight.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
agreed. we already know what jennings/flynn can do and it isn't impressive. i wouldn't be happy giving up a mid lotto pick for either of those 2 scrubs.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Sounds like Blazers are looking to trade into top 7 because of their interest in Walker. Would they be open to trading Wallace or Batum to get #7 pick?!
Actually, a Blazers columnist says it's not true, and moreover accused Petrie of starting the rumor. I think he retracted the later part, which frankly wasn't very carefully thought out.
Gary
All-Star
Wasn't really Jenings fault though.. Salmons really stunk it up this year, and the season before last Salmons was his go to guy. Jennings wasn't playing to his comfort level all year, and things were pretty bad in Milwaukee. He's an emotional guy and the rest of the team was really letting him down after the playoff run they made the year before. You could see it when watching hm play that he was pretty drained.
Chupacabra
Starter
The Bucks wouldnt trade Jennings for our #7 pick in a billion years. That idea makes no sense. Not alot of appreciation for Jennings's game in here. I very clearly remember him putting his team on his back in the playoffs...as a rookie. Id say its pretty clear that Jennings is a high level talent. Id trade our #7 pick for Jennings in the blink of an eye, whether we need him or not.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Jennigns has a lot of ballhandling talent, and a lot of p[assing talent. But in the end what he is is a guy who's averaged:
15.5pts 5.7ast on .374 shooting in his rookie year. And
16.2pts 4.8ast on .390 shooting his sophomore year.
Which unless you are Mookie Blaylock and can claim to be one of the best PG defenders of all time is not only not getting it done, its about 1 season from your team giving up on you. Career arc reminds me of nobody quite so much as JWill. Talented exciting player, becomes major face of team. Everybody expects improvement. There is none. Flaws become glaring, team starts to move on.
Meanwhile Flynn could be following a Mateen career path. Hyped college career. Mediocre numbers on bad team, not able to translate to pro game. Benched, traded, and ends up as benchwarmer.
15.5pts 5.7ast on .374 shooting in his rookie year. And
16.2pts 4.8ast on .390 shooting his sophomore year.
Which unless you are Mookie Blaylock and can claim to be one of the best PG defenders of all time is not only not getting it done, its about 1 season from your team giving up on you. Career arc reminds me of nobody quite so much as JWill. Talented exciting player, becomes major face of team. Everybody expects improvement. There is none. Flaws become glaring, team starts to move on.
Meanwhile Flynn could be following a Mateen career path. Hyped college career. Mediocre numbers on bad team, not able to translate to pro game. Benched, traded, and ends up as benchwarmer.
Aenadin
Starter
jennings in his rookie year cooled down in the later half.. i think the reason they made the playoffs was because bogut played tremendous ball (before injury) they got salmons (offensively all around) and solid contributions from illyasova and alike.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
I thought Flynn was about the 28th best prospect in that draft (out of the 35 players still remaining in the league from that draft), and it's not surprising to see the warts--he's incredibly erratic with his shot, has SG court vision and is incredibly turnover prone forcing the issue. He's still very young and he'll get chances probably bouncing around (Minny with Rubio now, Flynn already being dangled, he'll be out of there in <=1 year) but yeah he's going down the slippery slope into benchwarmer methinks.
Jennings I'm not a fan of either. Explains why I don't like Brandon Knight in this year's draft. Those shooting percentages, and I think hybrid guard passing ability...his defense, overall athleticism, ballhandling and desire are good, but those are more intangibles-like things...he can't be a #1 or even #2 player like this. He's still a good player and deserving in the starting lineup, but as a tertiary guy, but he's living off that 55 pt game he dropped in his rookie year.
So while this draft is questionable at the upper end talent, I'd prefer to invest the #7 at a big man who might have potential. I don't even think the Bucks would trade Jennings anyway for #7, they still invest in him. We can get our flyer guard in FA.
Jennings I'm not a fan of either. Explains why I don't like Brandon Knight in this year's draft. Those shooting percentages, and I think hybrid guard passing ability...his defense, overall athleticism, ballhandling and desire are good, but those are more intangibles-like things...he can't be a #1 or even #2 player like this. He's still a good player and deserving in the starting lineup, but as a tertiary guy, but he's living off that 55 pt game he dropped in his rookie year.
So while this draft is questionable at the upper end talent, I'd prefer to invest the #7 at a big man who might have potential. I don't even think the Bucks would trade Jennings anyway for #7, they still invest in him. We can get our flyer guard in FA.
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I'd estimate Bogut scored about half of his points off of Jennings' assists in the Bucks games I watched. They were really hurting offensively when he was out last season. Salmons had one of his down years, Illyasova regressed as a shooter (under 30% from long range) and the Maggette and Gooden signings predictably misfired. I think Jennings is a better passer and decision-maker than he gets credit for. When his teammates are missing shots (which they were a lot last season) that's when he gets trigger happy and takes a ton of bad shots. It's a combination of factors, but I don't think he's as bad as that season indicates just like I don't think Tyreke regressed this year. Defenses adjusted, team situations changed, injuries happened, and neither one of them seemed to get comfortable all year. I expect both of them to bounce back next season.
KingsCitizen
Starter
I'd trade with Minny but for Beasly after they draft Derrick Williams.
And I'm not into trading into number #7 but Casspi and our 2nd round pick for Beasly should do it!
And btw, if we do this, we should draft Freddette at #7.
And I'm not into trading into number #7 but Casspi and our 2nd round pick for Beasly should do it!
And btw, if we do this, we should draft Freddette at #7.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Funny you mention Beasley. I've been thinking about him since I've heard all the rumors. He scares the hell out of me. But, and it's a big but, if he committed himself to both ends of the floor, and quit having those psycho conversations with himself on the court, he could be an all star.
His jumper improved greatly this past year. I was just looking at his shooting %'s, and he's become a much better perimeter shooter, according the bask-ref. I'm not pulling up the #'s, because everyone can go look for themselves. He's not a great defender though, and hasn't committed to that end, although sizewise and athletically, he obviously has the tools to be a great defender at the sf.
He's intriguing, and might be had for cheap if Minn takes Williams. But I'd have to think long and hard about bringing his personality into such a young team. We'd definitely have to get a vet role player or two to keep the lockerroom straight. I really don't think Petrie would go for him, but you never know. He did bring in Vernon Maxwell afterall, but that was a team with Webb and Vlade.
He has more talent now than Omri/Donte/Cisco combined ever will. He slashes well off the ball. Attacks the rim with the ball, and finishes. Improving outside shooter, and gives you 5+ rebs as a sf. Could he manage with under 15 shots per game? I think so. He's also only 22. Room to mature both on the floor and off it. Not sure what I'd be willing to give up for him. Not even sure I want him. He does have a nastiness to his game I like though, and if that translated to the defensive end, he could be great at locking down opposing sf's. Has all the tools.
I will say I hate labelling guys as good or bad, and pretending that they'll never grow or mature as a person, when they're in their early 20's. When people label Cousins that way, and act like he'll never grow up, I think it's one of the stupider things a person can do. Nobody's future is set in stone, especially guys this young. We all grow, we all learn. Beasley did mature in the last year, and appears to have learned from Miami. Who's to say he won't continue to mature?
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The Basketball Kings
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DO NOT WANT BEASLEY.
ESPECIALLY IN CA.
First thing he'll do is get a medical MJ card...and commence smoking all our weed up. You think he'll really "dedicate" himself to basketball at that point? ahahaha
ESPECIALLY IN CA.
First thing he'll do is get a medical MJ card...and commence smoking all our weed up. You think he'll really "dedicate" himself to basketball at that point? ahahaha
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