To Trade or not to Trade

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I didn’t know where else to put this so…This is a hypothetical question. I just want to know people’s opinions on this.

Just a little blurb: I don’t watch the NCAA, I don’t know anything about the players (partly why I’m going to ask this question).

Let’s just say we get the number 1 pick. Ricky Rubio doesn’t declare; so the most talked about guy – Blake Griffin, is the top. I have no idea if he’s good or would fit our style. But let’s say the Nuggets decide to give up on Melo - they’re just tired of him and he’s not the player they envisioned and they like Griffin (whatever).

Would you trade our pick (and let’s say Kenny – just for the hell of it) for Carmelo? Would you keep the top and take a chance on Griffin or any other player for that matter or do you think Carmelo can be a really nice addition to our team?

….and I do realize that we have Andres Nocioni that plays SF (and he also makes a ton of money). If you’re for the trade, would you then keep Nocioni or try to trade him? Or would you prefer to wait for 2010 and take a shot at another top player? Or would you forget about ’10 and just build this team straight through the draft?

I know this is random but I was just thinking about this and I was interested in other people’s thoughts.

 

[Nighthawk1]

That's a tough one, because with Melo you get a guy with very little defense (Like Kmart) but can put up points. Me personally I would do it, then trade Kmart (Unpopular but with Cisco and Mccants I think we'd more than manage to get by at the 2). Who I trade KMart for I'm not sure, I'd have to put more thought to it but it would come around with us getting a good young point.

I think the Kings though envision building through the Draft, but I don't look at building through the Draft in NBA as compared to NFL. Draft day trades and sign and trades I'd still bundle into the building through the draft...

I think trading our #1 (if we get it) comes down to a case by case basis...

 

[Entity]

hell trade our pick and nocionni. Denver would have a vacated SF spot with the trade. #1 pick and Noc isn't to much to ask for Melo.

 

[SacKings7]

If we didn't do this trade because we have Nocioni at SF then Petrie should be fired

 

[Kings Faithful]

I was thinking something similar, except it was Josh Smith instead of Melo we would be trading for... Obviously id be happy with either one thoe. I have a feeling we might see something along these lines transpire this summer and i can't wait to see it happen.

 

[VF21]

Carmelo Anthony is building himself a nice little reputation as a problem. Traditionally, whether it's right or wrong, the Kings have tried to stay away from players who take their problems or misgivings, especially about their coach, to the media. I don't want any more headcases...and I really think Melo is starting to fit that description.

 

[AriesMar27]

melo would be cool if he were a 2010 f/a player but he isnt.... if we are going to trade griffin or whoever we pick it should should be for a player who wont hold us back in the long run. thats why i think amare is the player you trade for in this situation. if he works out then fine if it doesnt he becomes a free agent and goes elsewhere; leaving us with capspace to sign someone who can help. worst case scenario thompson comes off the bench next season.

griffin/beno/nocioni for amare and filler would be cool.... that would leave the suns with griffin and lopez as their future front court players, not bad...

i would love josh smith but what would we do with thompson?

 

[asakkings]

I actually like Melo more than Amare, I think if he ever gets his head straight he'll be a superstar. Melo can get his own shot where as I dont think Amare is able to create for himself and has always had the luxury of playing with Nash. That shot creating ability is what you need in your superstar at the end of games.

 

[Kings Faithful]

i would love josh smith but what would we do with thompson?

Nothing, we'd keep him. We would simply play Smith at the SF position. I think Smith would be a HUGE addition to this team because he brings everything that we need to the table except for passing which can be solved (with the right moves) this off season as well. Lets say we traded Griffin + Filler for Josh + Hawks 1st then we outbid the Bobcats for Felton in the FA. The Bobcats seem to have a future starting PG in Augustine already so they probably won't be willing to give Felton that much $$$. Felton would know how to utilize K-Mart and Smith well because of his seasons playing with the athletic G-Wall. Can anyone say Ally-oops?

 

[Nighthawk1]

Carmelo Anthony is building himself a nice little reputation as a problem. Traditionally, whether it's right or wrong, the Kings have tried to stay away from players who take their problems or misgivings, especially about their coach, to the media. I don't want any more headcases...and I really think Melo is starting to fit that description.

Says who? We brought in Webber, Artest, Mccants and I'm sure I'm forgetting more then a few... Attitude problems is the least of the teams worries... If anything I'd almost think we were a destination for players with behavior problems! We never had any problems with these players once they got acclimated to their new environment, we're like NBA player behavior rehab...

 

[AriesMar27]

Nothing, we'd keep him. We would simply play Smith at the SF position. I think Smith would be a HUGE addition to this team because he brings everything that we need to the table except for passing which can be solved (with the right moves) this off season as well. Lets say we traded Griffin + Filler for Josh + Hawks 1st then we outbid the Bobcats for Felton in the FA. The Bobcats seem to have a future starting PG in Augustine already so they probably won't be willing to give Felton that much $$$. Felton would know how to utilize K-Mart and Smith well because of his seasons playing with the athletic G-Wall. Can anyone say Ally-oops?

oh... at small forward...

 

[kingsnation]

To answer your question...

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31070

I want Melo no where near my team. He can be Denver's problem.

 

[Merdiesel]

Carmelo Anthony is building himself a nice little reputation as a problem. Traditionally, whether it's right or wrong, the Kings have tried to stay away from players who take their problems or misgivings, especially about their coach, to the media. I don't want any more headcases...and I really think Melo is starting to fit that description.

If I remember correctly, they said the same thing about Webber...

I would only make this trade if Rubio doesn't declare.

Pick up Sessions this off season???

Sessions, Martin, Melo, JT and Hawes?!!

Attitude or no attitude, I'm taking the risk.

 

[Kings Faithful]

If I remember correctly, they said the same thing about Webber...

I would only make this trade if Rubio doesn't declare.

Pick up Sessions this off season???

Sessions, Martin, Melo, JT and Hawes?!!

Attitude or no attitude, I'm taking the risk.

That has to be the worst defensive team in history... and i like it...

 

[kingsnation]

Says who? We brought in Webber, Artest, Mccants and I'm sure I'm forgetting more then a few... Attitude problems is the least of the teams worries... If anything I'd almost think we were a destination for players with behavior problems! We never had any problems with these players once they got acclimated to their new environment, we're like NBA player behavior rehab...

Are we now? Seems to me Webb was the only one out of any that came here with "attitude problems" that left better than he came.

Artest was a pain in our necks until the day he was traded and McCants has been here, what 2 weeks??

 

[VF21]

Says who? We brought in Webber, Artest, Mccants and I'm sure I'm forgetting more then a few... Attitude problems is the least of the teams worries... If anything I'd almost think we were a destination for players with behavior problems! We never had any problems with these players once they got acclimated to their new environment, we're like NBA player behavior rehab...

Says who? Well, according to the post, it looks like I said it...

As far as the Kings being like an NBA player behavior rehab, that might have been true with Rick Adelman at the helm but he's not here... and Melo isn't exactly Chris Webber. Webber is basically an intelligent man who did some dumb things; Melo appears to have the IQ of a turnip and may or may not ever change. He makes dumb mistakes and then keeps making them.

We haven't had McCants long enough to know if he'll cause problems. Artest made the headlines more than once and there were almost constant rumors of a variety of problems with him during his time here.

You have your opinion, and I have mine. And mine is that I'm tired of being a rehab for problem players, especially when the chief therapist is now in Houston.

EDIT: And had I read kingsnation's post before responding, this one would have been a lot shorter.

 

[6th]

Says who? Well, according to the post, it looks like I said it...

As far as the Kings being like an NBA player behavior rehab, that might have been true with Rick Adelman at the helm but he's not here... and Melo isn't exactly Chris Webber. Webber is basically an intelligent man who did some dumb things; Melo appears to have the IQ of a turnip and may or may not ever change. He makes dumb mistakes and then keeps making them.

We haven't had McCants long enough to know if he'll cause problems. Artest made the headlines more than once and there were almost constant rumors of a variety of problems with him during his time here.

You have your opinion, and I have mine. And mine is that I'm tired of being a rehab for problem players, especially when the chief therapist is now in Houston.

EDIT: And had I read kingsnation's post before responding, this one would have been a lot shorter.

Exactly! As soon as I read a couple of posts saying that we take troubled players and they do fine, I thought, yeah with Rick Adelman. He has been a master at righting many players ships before they sank them. Without Rick, I'm really not interested in players who will make as much news off the court as they do on the court. That kind of example we do not need for such a young team.

 

[91sickness]

If I remember correctly, they said the same thing about Webber...



I would only make this trade if Rubio doesn't declare.



Pick up Sessions this off season???



Sessions, Martin, Melo, JT and Hawes?!!



Attitude or no attitude, I'm taking the risk.

That is a team to get excited about...

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I would not trade the #1 for Melo, but I'd trade the pick in a heartbeat. The market value for a #1 has been a medium-high lotto pick plus a few first rounders down the road. That could net us a PG this year plus give us a pick a year or two down the road when the direction is a little more clear. In fact if we wanted Rubio and he declared and we had the number one we could still trade down a pick or two and get an extra pick out of it.

 

[NoBonus]

Traditionally, whether it's right or wrong, the Kings have tried to stay away from players who take their problems or misgivings, especially about their coach, to the media.

Really? Seems to be not the case:

Ron Artest
Jim Jackson
Bonzi Wells
C-Webb (at the time)

and so on... in fact, I think of the Kings as the place a player goes to fix their reputation and get out of the media spotlight.

 

[SacKings7]

Really? Seems to be not the case:

Ron Artest
Jim Jackson
Bonzi Wells
C-Webb (at the time)

and so on... in fact, I think of the Kings as the place a player goes to fix their reputation and get out of the media spotlight.

Yeah I have to agree with you on this one, those 4 players immediately came to my mind

 

[pdxKingsFan]

C-Webb (at the time)

Not only C-Webb, but that first year we had Vernon Maxwell and Jason Williams was off everybody's radar because all the problems he had in college. I'm quite sure that before all of the other players you mentioned we had already developed something of a reputation in the media as a nice spot that bad players could go to rehab their game and reputation. I think that had more to do with Adelman than anything. Have we touched a bad guy the last few years?

 

[VF21]

Really? Seems to be not the case:

Ron Artest
Jim Jackson
Bonzi Wells
C-Webb (at the time)

and so on... in fact, I think of the Kings as the place a player goes to fix their reputation and get out of the media spotlight.

Not gonna buy it. Those are exceptions that pretty much prove the rule. EVEN if that were true, however, you're missing the ONE constant the Kings had during that period of time...RICK ADELMAN.

It takes a very special kind of coach to work with "black sheep" players. Maybe I'm missing something, but I certainly don't see Kenny Natt as fitting that mold.

 

[Heuge]

Not gonna buy it. Those are exceptions that pretty much prove the rule. EVEN if that were true, however, you're missing the ONE constant the Kings had during that period of time...RICK ADELMAN.

It takes a very special kind of coach to work with "black sheep" players. Maybe I'm missing something, but I certainly don't see Kenny Natt as fitting that mold.

It's amazing what winning will do for headcases. Problem is, Melo is winning and he still is a headcase. I don't want to know what it would be like with him if he were a part of the process of getting back up to the top.
And RA was huge with our transforming potential problem children.

 

[kennadog]

Says who? We brought in Webber, Artest, Mccants and I'm sure I'm forgetting more then a few... Attitude problems is the least of the teams worries... If anything I'd almost think we were a destination for players with behavior problems! We never had any problems with these players once they got acclimated to their new environment, we're like NBA player behavior rehab...

Under Adelman that was true. That era is long over. And I agree that Melo just can't seem to avoid trouble. When he gets his head straight? How the hell long do you have to give him? He's no kid.

Edit: Just read Huege's post mentioning RA. Beat me to it.

 

[hammystyle]

I'd do that trade for sure. I think Carmelo's reputation as a headcase is overstated. I think he's gotten a lot of attention on some minor things. More things then he should have to be sure, but nothing that grabs you and says this is a bad guy.

So I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Nighthawk1]

I think you guys put too much stock in it was only done for Adelman. The kings front office brought these players in regardless of whom our coach was. Also think, if you're the Maloofs losing millions, having a hard time putting people in seats at Arco, you might take the small risk on an All-Star level player to help upgrade our product and generate income again. In any event, you guys might be tired of watching these guys make their comments in a Kings uniform, but we're a small market team. We get attention and maybe we'll get some TV deals again which will also help bring in revenue... I don't think we'll pass on ANY player if they're good and we have a chance to get them!

 

[VF21]

I think you guys put too much stock in it was only done for Adelman. The kings front office brought these players in regardless of whom our coach was. Also think, if you're the Maloofs losing millions, having a hard time putting people in seats at Arco, you might take the small risk on an All-Star level player to help upgrade our product and generate income again. In any event, you guys might be tired of watching these guys make their comments in a Kings uniform, but we're a small market team. We get attention and maybe we'll get some TV deals again which will also help bring in revenue... I don't think we'll pass on ANY player if they're good and we have a chance to get them!

I beg to differ. Those guys were brought in by a front office that was completely aware of who the coach was and what his strengths with problem players were. We cannot know for sure, of course, but I seriously doubt if TPTB didn't at least figure that into their calculations.

And bringing Melo to Sacramento wouldn't necessarily turn the franchise around and could just as easily make it even worse.

I protested over Webber and was proven wrong. I was vehemently against Artest. I had no real problem with Jim Jackson, who didn't overstay his welcome and was in no way in the same league as the others being bandied about anyway. We're lucky Bonzi's agent blew sunshine up his skirt and talked him into holding out for more money or that could have ended very badly for us. (Witness what happened to his career after he departed Sacramento...)

If you have a strong team with a really good head coach you can take a chance on someone like Melo. We have neither.

 

[kingsnation]

If you have a strong team with a really good head coach you can take a chance on someone like Melo. We have neither.

Yeah and Denver has both of those prerequisites and look at what they're dealing with from Melo.

Once again, no thank you.

 

[steelevt]

it's amazing sometimes to come on this forum and see how picky some people are. OP is asking hypothetically if we should trade our #1 pick and filler for melo. yes griffin is considered the top pick by most, but he's in what some call weakest drafts in awhile. whereas anthony is probably a top 5 player from one of the best drafts. we are the worst team in the nba, yet an nba all star, 2 time all nba team, US olympian is not good enough to play on our team? the kid is only 24, he'll make some mistakes, but i cant be too hard on a player that refuses to leave the court if hes hot or the team is coming back (im not sure the reason why he refused). id be more prone to fault him if he refused to come into a game.