Things To Remember

[sactownfan]

1. We wondered for awhile if GP was ever going to go into a rebuild mode. WELL WITH THE BIBBY TRADE THAT WAS IT, FOR NOW

2. Unless you answered the phone and handed it to GP, forget what you heard and read. Only the GP and the GM's that called him know what the deal was. no pun intended. For all we know GP did the right thing.

3. I think the only way we could be mad is if GP was just not answering the phone... Hes obviously not against doing something that will help our team. Bibby?

4. ARTEST DOESNT HAVE ALOT OF OPTIONS AS A FREE AGENT HENCE HE MAY NOT OPT OUT. look at the teams that will have the money to chase him, and if he would want to even join them. A sign and trade is probable his only option if he wants to join his knicks, and by the end of the year the Isiah Thomas should be gone which means David Lee is more likely to be moved. We don't know for sure that not trading Artest = him walking for nothing. As retarded as GP may seem to some of you. He does realize that it could happen. Sign and Trade/ Artest doesnt opt out/ or Artest walks, but turns out that had we traded him we would have had to take on another bad contract.

5. Rebuilding takes time but at least the ball's rolling. We got some talented kids and some cap space. Be patient

 

[DirtyAcres]

+1

Nice perspective.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

1. We wondered for awhile if GP was ever going to go into a rebuild mode. WELL WITH THE BIBBY TRADE THAT WAS IT, FOR NOW

2. Unless you answered the phone and handed it to GP, forget what you heard and read. Only the GP and the GM's that called him know what the deal was. no pun intended. For all we know GP did the right thing.

3. I think the only way we could be mad is if GP was just not answering the phone... Hes obviously not against doing something that will help our team. Bibby?

4. We don't know for sure that not trading Artest = him walking for nothing. As retarded as GP may seem to some of you. He does realize that it could happen. Sign and Trade/ Artest doesnt opt out/ or Artest walks, but turns out that had we traded him we would have had to take on another bad contract.

5. Rebuilding takes time but at least the ball's rolling. We got some talented kids and some cap space. Be patient

Amen!!!

And to point #5, I love how many people dislike Petrie for essentially failing to connect 2 dynasties in a small market with no down time. It can certainly be argued that we could have started rebuilding a little sooner (i.e. no Shareef), but even the best teams take at least 5 years to rebuild without considerable luck (see LA with Shaq signing to play in LA or still having Kobe, or SA getting Duncanc by luck). We have good young players and are on target for considerable cap space and two more lottery picks by 2010.

 

[creAtivetfh]

Amen!!!

And to point #5, I love how many people dislike Petrie for essentially failing to connect 2 dynasties in a small market with no down time. It can certainly be argued that we could have started rebuilding a little sooner (i.e. no Shareef), but even the best teams take at least 5 years to rebuild without considerable luck (see LA with Shaq signing to play in LA or still having Kobe, or SA getting Duncanc by luck). We have good young players and are on target for considerable cap space and two more lottery picks by 2010.

point of the week.

We are not the Lakers and we don't have Kobe. Our turn around time is going to be much larger than the "do whatever we want" Lakers. I have faith that Petrie knows what he's doing and its going to be a fun last 29 games.

Why don't we all wait for the offseason to bicker about things that aren't going to happen

 

[ParniValjak]

point of the week.

We are not the Lakers and we don't have Kobe. Our turn around time is going to be much larger than the "do whatever we want" Lakers. I have faith that Petrie knows what he's doing and its going to be a fun last 29 games.

Why don't we all wait for the offseason to bicker about things that aren't going to happen

There is a big difference between having the turn around time larger by choice or by blind faith and reluctancy to get out of medicority and move to suck territory faster!

What we are doing now is not real rebuild. Its threading water and staying in the same position. If we go down this path we are by choice making it to be a longer process than it needs to be.

However, if we say we are going to blow this team up, get rid off everyone that is over a certain age irrespective of how well they are playing then the process doesn't need to be anywhere near as long.

Quite simple, we would have a much better chance of coming out stronger in the long run if we traded Ron for Expiring and a draft pick and did the same with Miller. We would suck for the next 2-3 years. We would suck bad enough to have a top 5 pick each year and your chances of landing that franchise player increase dramatically. When the bad contracts of SAR and Kenny come off the books, you go into the free agency to add a FA or 2 to the already young roster that is ready to start winning. A year or 2 of those kids playing together and you have a contender on your hands.

Have a look at how quickly the likes of Portland and New Orleans have rebuilt once they actually decided to head down that path after threading water like we are doing at present.

And if you suck for 2-3 years chances are you WILL get that stud to build around. All it takes is to strike it lucky with one of those picks and you can quickly build around that piece by some clever trading and drafting down the order.

We already have a very good #2 option in Martin. A solid prospect in Hawes and a spark plug type of player off the bench in Garcia. You suck enough to get that one player to build around and you have done half the job. Then add a FA or 2 by using the cap space and get solid players with the rest of your picks and you have a powerhouse team. Magic pretty much did what I am suggesting. They got Howard in the draft, drafted Nelson down the order. Signed Lewis and they are not that far away from being a real contender!

Seattle are doing it exactly the right way in the last couple of years. They have 1st round picks coming out of their backside in the next few years due to some really clever trading. Hell they got 2 draft picks by taking on Kurt Thomas' contract for half a season and then got another 1st round pick by trading him away. 3 first round picks because of Kurt freaking Thomas! Thats how its done.

We need to accpet that in order to get to the level we want to that there WILL be pain invloved. Its unavoidable! Now we either grow some balls and say bring it on now and get it over and done with, or we dance around like pretty girls, burry our heads in our skirts and hope for a miracle. I know which option I would take!

 

[DirtyAcres]

We would suck for the next 2-3 years. We would suck bad enough to have a top 5 pick each year and your chances of landing that franchise player increase dramatically.

This is what I don't think many people realize. Take away Miller and Artest from the present team and we still don't have a team that sucks enough to get a top 5 pick. I just don't see them losing that many games.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

This is what I don't think many people realize. Take away Miller and Artest from the present team and we still don't have a team that sucks enough to get a top 5 pick. I just don't see them losing that many games.

i disagree. without artest and miller i think we lack alot of exp. and leadership. and i think would be a lock for better lotto position.

 

[sactownfan]

After more thought I've updated #4

 

[creAtivetfh]

i don't understand how you guys expect to get rid of everyone.

should we just trade all of our players for cash considerations?

 

[fnordius]

i don't understand how you guys expect to get rid of everyone.

should we just trade all of our players for cash considerations?

Did the NBA just change their rules to allow that? If not, it seems like we'd have to continue trading vets for enders, picks and kids, doesn't it?

 

[Sptsjunkie]

i disagree. without artest and miller i think we lack alot of exp. and leadership. and i think would be a lock for better lotto position.

Here is the problem with this line of reasoning. Even if we could just waive Artet and Miller (and potentially KMart and Salmons) and start stinking for lotto position - this would be the worst possible business move for the Maloofs. This strategy might work brilliantly in a NBA 2k8 type of simulated reality, but in real life the Maloofs need to put people in the seats at Arco.

If they announed today they were letting everyone with talent go to go after a top draft pick, a number of fans would cheer and promise to buy tickets when the team was good in 2011, but for the next three years Arco would struggle so sell seats. Right now we have an emerging team with a lot of young talent who is also competing every night and basically selling out Arco Arena.

This isn't a condemnation of the Maloofs in any way either. They are far from being penny pinching owners, like Donald Sterling or George Shinn, but the reality is they need to continue to bring in revenue on the product that is the Kings while we rebuild.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

just a little imput on #1

i dont really know if the bibby trade was us entering rebuild mode.. the team played well under beno and ive always had the feeling reggie liked beno better.. the bibby trade was just a smart move IMO and not a move toward rebuilding.. a trade of miller or artest would have been a rebuilding trade, but thats just my opinion...

 

[Glenn]

We can trade away all the Bibbys and Artests in the world but until they are replaced with someone better, we have done nothing.

Getting the major stud is the main problem and he may come via trade, FA, or draft. This idea that there is only one way to improve is simple minded. Sometimes the unexpected happens and you have to jump on it.

FAs are the most difficult as most star FAs can get a bigger contract from their present team and unless they are disgruntled or simply don't like where they are (Vlade) we are not going to get a great FA. Check ahead to see what free agents are available in the summer of 2010; our grand moment of feasting. http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/07-08salaries.htm Darn near nothing. Maybe later on today I'll go back over the list and post them. It's discouraging.

I think depending on the draft is self defeating. If you get that great maga stud pick as a number 1, his skill alone will drag the team out of suckage and the next low pick will probably not even be a top 5. Cleveland got LeBron. Now what? Get another great pick and you are guaranteed never to get another great draft pick but IF you truly got two studs, that's probably all you need. IF. The problem is that luck is involved. Will the first great pick be a LeBron or a Pervis? That's out of our control.

Trading can be a great way to improve but now we step into unpopular territory. It is inconsistent with getting enders and the like. Totally. So you cannot trade for a stud if your plan is to try to draft a stud by sucking.

Now let us look into the mind of Petrie. Some will recoil in horror. But, it seems that Geoff understands or believes that free agents aren't going to come flocking to a city known as a cow town. He trades and now twice has traded for damaged goods, Webber and Artest. It worked well with Webber. Despite the ticking clock of doom, Artest has caused us no more angst than Webber with all his whining about the inadequacies of Sacramento. If you take off the retrospective rose colored glasses, he had us on the edge of our seats either in anger or fear because of what he said. We relaxed after he signed a long deal --- and then luck intervened and he wrecked his knee. If you drag apart that curtain of hatred and prejudice toward Ron, you will see he is one of the best two way players in the league.

Petrie traded for Artest, warts and all. King sized warts. There is no reason that Petrie would change his mind on Artest as he knew what he was getting and despite fan predictions, Ron has been probably as decent as he is capable of. (Pardon the dangling participle)

So what? The "so what" is that I don't think there is one way way of rebuilding especially if your city name is not LA. We take advantage of deals when we can. We make good drafts when we can. I think Petrie has done well in the daft without a top 5 pick. We trade when we can and that means taking advantage of fools like the guy in Memphis. It means praying another Vlade comes along.

There is so much luck involved in all this if you don't have money to burn that I can't for the life of me see how anyone can state with confidence that he/she knows how to build a champion.

As to the comment that Portland has rebuilt well: take a look at their record. Until they win something of significance, that cannot be said.






And all the time, it is best to keep the fans happy as they are the source of our average cash inflow.

 

[bajaden]

We can trade away all the Bibbys and Artests in the world but until they are replaced with someone better, we have done nothing.

Getting the major stud is the main problem and he may come via trade, FA, or draft. This idea that there is only one way to improve is simple minded. Sometimes the unexpected happens and you have to jump on it.

FAs are the most difficult as most star FAs can get a bigger contract from their present team and unless they are disgruntled or simply don't like where they are (Vlade) we are not going to get a great FA. Check ahead to see what free agents are available in the summer of 2010; our grand moment of feasting. http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/07-08salaries.htm Darn near nothing. Maybe later on today I'll go back over the list and post them. It's discouraging.

I think depending on the draft is self defeating. If you get that great maga stud pick as a number 1, his skill alone will drag the team out of suckage and the next low pick will probably not even be a top 5. Cleveland got LeBron. Now what? Get another great pick and you are guaranteed never to get another great draft pick but IF you truly got two studs, that's probably all you need. IF. The problem is that luck is involved. Will the first great pick be a LeBron or a Pervis? That's out of our control.

Trading can be a great way to improve but now we step into unpopular territory. It is inconsistent with getting enders and the like. Totally. So you cannot trade for a stud if your plan is to try to draft a stud by sucking.

Now let us look into the mind of Petrie. Some will recoil in horror. But, it seems that Geoff understands or believes that free agents aren't going to come flocking to a city known as a cow town. He trades and now twice has traded for damaged goods, Webber and Artest. It worked well with Webber. Despite the ticking clock of doom, Artest has caused us no more angst than Webber with all his whining about the inadequacies of Sacramento. If you take off the retrospective rose colored glasses, he had us on the edge of our seats either in anger or fear because of what he said. We relaxed after he signed a long deal --- and then luck intervened and he wrecked his knee. If you drag apart that curtain of hatred and prejudice toward Ron, you will see he is one of the best two way players in the league.

Petrie traded for Artest, warts and all. King sized warts. There is no reason that Petrie would change his mind on Artest as he knew what he was getting and despite fan predictions, Ron has been probably as decent as he is capable of. (Pardon the dangling participle)

So what? The "so what" is that I don't think there is one way way of rebuilding especially if your city name is not LA. We take advantage of deals when we can. We make good drafts when we can. I think Petrie has done well in the daft without a top 5 pick. We trade when we can and that means taking advantage of fools like the guy in Memphis. It means praying another Vlade comes along.

There is so much luck involved in all this if you don't have money to burn that I can't for the life of me see how anyone can state with confidence that he/she knows how to build a champion.

As to the comment that Portland has rebuilt well: take a look at their record. Until they win something of significance, that cannot be said.






And all the time, it is best to keep the fans happy as they are the source of our average cash inflow.

Extremely well said Glenn. One thing that people have to remember while their advocating losing to get that one great pick, thats going to get us to that championship level, is that after the 2010 season, when we'll have some money to spend. How many good free agents are going to want to come to a losing team?
Remember that Webber, who as Glenn said, was publicly damaged goods, didn't want to come here. Do you think a Jason Kidd type player is going to want to come to a team thats been dwelling in the cellar. Would Lamar Odom rather play for us or resign with the Lakers. Losing begets losing, unless your damm lucky, like the Spurs were. There are no guarantee's with the draft. However, Petrie is pretty good at drafting. Just don't forget Pervis.