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[hrdboild]

This is more journalism related than sports related so this seemed like the best place for it...

ESPN has had a story on their NHL page for the last 4 hours which incorrectly says:

The Montreal Canadiens traded goaltender Carey Price to the San Jose Sharks on Friday, in exchange for defenseman Gannon Laroque and a fifth-round draft pick in 2026. (link)

Now common sense would say that the Sharks are not going to take on a dead contract (even if Montreal is still covering most of it) without getting something in return -- that something being a fifth round draft pick in 2026. That was the entire point of the trade and it took me less than 5 minutes to cross-reference and verify that this is the actual trade not what is written at the top of the ESPN article. Gannon Laroque goes to Montreal to play for their AHL team and the Sharks helped Montreal to get under the salary cap in exchange for a low value pick in next year's draft.

My point isn't the trade itself, but does ESPN.com not even have an editor or a fact-checking department anymore? All they did was copy a typo from another source and print it on their own page as news. It's not like this is a company which doesn't have money -- ESPN is owned by Disney. They own most of the entertainment industry at this point. How are you going to have a news article up on your platform for multiple hours where the top line is blatantly wrong and no one has even noticed or bothered to change it?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

As a non-fan of all involved (let's face it, their music doesn't 'play to my constituency,' as Michael Irvin once said), I'm lowkey proud of myself that I only struggled with the one on the middle right:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963985770412224916

 

[Warhawk]

As a non-fan of all involved (let's face it, their music doesn't 'play to my constituency,' as Michael Irvin once said), I'm lowkey proud of myself that I only struggled with the one on the middle right:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963985770412224916

You're joking, right? RIGHT?

I understand you weren't implying any were better than the others, only that you were interpreting names from a graphic. As such, the following doesn't apply to your particular post, but I was curious, so....I did a little research.

And I am by no means saying the middle right band is better than these others (they aren't objectively "better" - however you choose to define that), but they have definitely stood the test of time and are still cranking out great rock music. They do happen to (shocker!) be one of my favorites, though.

They are one of the few bands that have released 7 singles from a single album (only 15 albums total have done so, most are pop and country), and they did it three times (as have Janet Jackson and Michael Jackson, while Shania Twain did it twice):
Their 1983 album
Their 1987 album
Their 1992 album

Only a handful of albums, including their 1987 album, have charted 7 singles on the US Hot 100 (with all but one single making the top 20 on that list, and one making it to #1).

45+ years later and they are still cranking out studio albums and headlining/co-headlining massive tours.

FYI, this is literally the graphic on the front of their initial EP in 1979 :



Just because I was curious:

Other than the band on the bottom left, none of the other bands had a better selling studio album than their 4th album (1987) or had more total album sales overall. Only two of the bands are still touring that I know of.

Upper left: 8 albums 1993-2025, still touring, 14 million albums sold (8 million top album)
Upper right: 28 albums 1964-2023, no current touring information, 85 million albums sold (7 million top album)
Middle left: 22 albums 1967-1990, 16 million albums sold, (4 million top album)
Middle right: 12 albums 1980-2022 (+ a 1979 "non-studio" introductory EP), still touring, new album on the way, 100+ million albums sold (25 million top album)
Bottom left: 9 albums 1969-1982, 300+ million albums sold (37 million top album)
Bottom right: 9 albums 1967-1978, 54 million albums sold (20 million top album)

Album sales data is from https://bestsellingalbums.org/, I assume this is accurate.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

....

I was literally talking about deciphering the name of the band from the pictures. No more, no less.

 

[Warhawk]

....

I was literally talking about deciphering the name of the band from the pictures. No more, no less.

And I explicitly acknowledged that - but the graphic got me thinking and I went down a rabbit hole. Sue me.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

And I explicitly acknowledged that - but the graphic got me thinking and I went down a rabbit hole. Sue me.

Since this is the no-topic thread, I'm going to rabbit-hole your rabbit hole.

I'm pretty sure I had heard the number of 7 singles released from Hysteria, but I did not realize that either Pyromania or Adrenalize had 7 singles. And looking at the track lists...

So I'm going to try guessing (without looking) which seven songs singled on each album, listed in order of confidence:

Pyromania:

[Really confident]
Photograph
Rock Of Ages
Too Late For Love
Foolin'

[Pretty confident]
Rock Rock (Till You Drop)

[Umm...could these possibly have singled??]
Comin' Under Fire (??)
Die Hard The Hunter (??)

Hysteria:

[Bro, I remember it]
Pour Some Sugar On Me
Armageddon It
Rocket
Animal
Love Bites
Hysteria

[I feel like maybe this singled]
Women

Adrenalize:

[Bro, I remember it]
Let's Get Rocked
Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad
Tonight

[Pretty confident]
Make Love Like A Man

[Seems likely]
Stand Up (Kick Love Into Motion)

[Guessing at this point]
Heaven Is
I Wanna Touch U

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Since this is the no-topic thread, I'm going to rabbit-hole your rabbit hole.

I'm pretty sure I had heard the number of 7 singles released from Hysteria, but I did not realize that either Pyromania or Adrenalize had 7 singles. And looking at the track lists...

So I'm going to try guessing (without looking) which seven songs singled on each album, listed in order of confidence:

Let's see how I did...

Pyromania:

[Really confident]
(#1) Photograph
(#2) Rock Of Ages
(#4) Too Late For Love
(#3) Foolin'

[Pretty confident]
Rock Rock (Till You Drop)

[Umm...could these possibly have singled??]
Comin' Under Fire (??)
Die Hard The Hunter (??)

Umm...Wikipedia only lists four singles from Pyromania...

Hysteria:

[Bro, I remember it]
(#3) Pour Some Sugar On Me
(#5) Armageddon It
(#7) Rocket
(#1) Animal
(#6) Love Bites
(#4) Hysteria

[I feel like maybe this singled]
(#2) Women

Interestingly, my lowest-confidence entry appears to have been the second single in release order. Huh.

Adrenalize:

[Bro, I remember it]
(#1) Let's Get Rocked
(#3) Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad
(#6) Tonight

[Pretty confident]
(#2) Make Love Like A Man

[Seems likely]
(#4) Stand Up (Kick Love Into Motion)

[Guessing at this point]
(#5) Heaven Is
I Wanna Touch U

And Wikipedia only lists six singles from Adrenalize.

I'm going to call it a win that I have no symbols here, and that all of the ones that I "guessed wrong" were at the bottom of the list, and perhaps rely on a different definition of "single"? Or is Wiki just lame? Warhawk, I need some help here!

 

[pdxKingsFan]

This is more journalism related than sports related so this seemed like the best place for it...

ESPN has had a story on their NHL page for the last 4 hours which incorrectly says:



Now common sense would say that the Sharks are not going to take on a dead contract (even if Montreal is still covering most of it) without getting something in return -- that something being a fifth round draft pick in 2026. That was the entire point of the trade and it took me less than 5 minutes to cross-reference and verify that this is the actual trade not what is written at the top of the ESPN article. Gannon Laroque goes to Montreal to play for their AHL team and the Sharks helped Montreal to get under the salary cap in exchange for a low value pick in next year's draft.

My point isn't the trade itself, but does ESPN.com not even have an editor or a fact-checking department anymore? All they did was copy a typo from another source and print it on their own page as news. It's not like this is a company which doesn't have money -- ESPN is owned by Disney. They own most of the entertainment industry at this point. How are you going to have a news article up on your platform for multiple hours where the top line is blatantly wrong and no one has even noticed or bothered to change it?

damn, I was in Montreal for a conference earlier and visited by the Bell Centre (even though I'm a devout Bruins fan and therefore devout Habs hater, no way I wasn't going to take a look at all the displays outside the arena). There was a bank with a Price jersey in it nearby the conference as well. I thought he retired 2-3 seasons ago. (and yes I realize he will almost certainly never suit up for the Sharks)

 

[hrdboild]

Let's see how I did...




Umm...Wikipedia only lists four singles from Pyromania...



Interestingly, my lowest-confidence entry appears to have been the second single in release order. Huh.



And Wikipedia only lists six singles from Adrenalize.

I'm going to call it a win that I have no symbols here, and that all of the ones that I "guessed wrong" were at the bottom of the list, and perhaps rely on a different definition of "single"? Or is Wiki just lame? Warhawk, I need some help here!

Here's where I admit that as a "youngin" I still don't know the name of the band ya'll are talking about.

 

[hrdboild]

damn, I was in Montreal for a conference earlier and visited by the Bell Centre (even though I'm a devout Bruins fan and therefore devout Habs hater, no way I wasn't going to take a look at all the displays outside the arena). There was a bank with a Price jersey in it nearby the conference as well. I thought he retired 2-3 seasons ago. (and yes I realize he will almost certainly never suit up for the Sharks)

I'd like to know what it's like as a fan to have a star play (effectively) their entire career for your team. I don't think it's happened yet for any of my teams (since I've been following them).

EDIT: I suppose I could ask Google instead (which means @Mr. S£im Citrus will be mad at me ) but I saw Montreal Canadiens fans referring to their team as the "Habs" as well and I can't reason out where the nickname comes from.

 

[hrdboild]

Oh also... to sub rabbit hole this current rabbit hole...

The reason I couldn't figure out the band name (aside from being ignorant of most 80s rock music) is that I couldn't correctly identify the large cat in question. Which led me to the startlingly discovery that there are 5 animals within the genus Panthera and none of them is a panther! And also... apparently, the animal that I believed was called a "panther" is actually a leopard. And also... Marvel and Disney have made it really hard to search for information on panthers.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Oh also... to sub rabbit hole this current rabbit hole...

The reason I couldn't figure out the band name (aside from being ignorant of most 80s rock music) is that I couldn't correctly identify the large cat in question...

And meanwhile, the reason why I struggled with it is because I didn't realize that the speech bubble was supposed to indicate that it was hard of hearing.

 

[hrdboild]

And meanwhile, the reason why I struggled with it is because I didn't realize that the speech bubble was supposed to indicate that it was hard of hearing.

Yeah... he seemed more unreasonably angry than anything else. Rage Panthers is unfortunately not a band name ... yet?

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I'd like to know what it's like as a fan to have a star play (effectively) their entire career for your team. I don't think it's happened yet for any of my teams (since I've been following them).

EDIT: I suppose I could ask Google instead (which means @Mr. S£im Citrus will be mad at me ) but I saw Montreal Canadiens fans referring to their team as the "Habs" as well and I can't reason out where the nickname comes from.

It’s short for Les Habitants.

 

[Warhawk]

Let's see how I did...




Umm...Wikipedia only lists four singles from Pyromania...



Interestingly, my lowest-confidence entry appears to have been the second single in release order. Huh.



And Wikipedia only lists six singles from Adrenalize.

I'm going to call it a win that I have no symbols here, and that all of the ones that I "guessed wrong" were at the bottom of the list, and perhaps rely on a different definition of "single"? Or is Wiki just lame? Warhawk, I need some help here!

I got that from here:

15 Albums That Generated The Most Singles

Our 15 Albums That Generated The Most Singles article presents a series of albums that all released at least seven singles. Hundreds of albums released

www.classicrockhistory.com

Here's the pertinent info (copied/pasted) - the order presented is not chronological - not sure how they ranked the 15 albums with at least 7 singles (other than the more singles released the higher on the list - but for those with the same amount of singles the order isn't clear):

We are not counting greatest hits packages or albums reissued in deluxe versions with more songs. This list only looks at original studio albums and the singles released from those records.

Def Leppard’s Adrenalize was released in 1992. The album was a showcase for pop rock singles. Seven songs were released as singles from Def Leppard’s fifth album. The album found most of its commercial success on the Billboard Rock Charts as opposed to the Billboard Hot 100.

1. “Let’s Get Rocked”
2. “Make Love Like a Man”
3. “Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad”
4. “Stand Up (Kick Love into Motion)”
5. “Heaven Is
6. “Tonight”
7. “I Wanna Touch U”

The second of three in a row from the legendary band Def Leppard. It’s amazing that this group released twenty one singles from just three studio albums. It defines how popular this group was in the 1980s and 90s. One of the most successful rock bands of all time that was able to merge the genres of rock, metal and pop into a sound that just about everyone loved. The Pyromania album was released in 1983. None of the singles made the Top 10 of the Billboard Hot 100. However, a couple of the singles did hit number one on the Billboard Rock Charts.

1. “Photograph”
2. "Rock Of Ages“
3. “Foolin”
4. “Too Late For Love”
5. “Comin’ Under Fire”
6. “Billy’s Got A Gun,”
7. “Action! Not Words”

Continuing with our run of three Def Leppard albums in a row that released seven singles, we turn to the great Hysteria album. The popular album was released in 1987. This was by far Def Leppard’s most successful album on the charts. The album had three top 10 hits on the Billboard Hot 100. The album also spawned a number one hit on the Billboard Hot 100. A feat that is difficult for rock bands to do. The Hysteria album was released in 1987.

1. “Animal”
2. “Women”
3. “Pour Some Sugar on Me”
4. “Hysteria”
5. “Armageddon It”
6. “Love Bites” (Number One)
7. “Rocket”

 

[pdxKingsFan]

On a phone so not going to snip the relevant post but I’m pretty sure that while Women was the second single it may have been the first video for Hysteria.

I really hate that album.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

There’s a good Classic Albums episode on Hysteria that explains both why I hate it and also how it produced so many singles.

 

[Warhawk]

There’s a good Classic Albums episode on Hysteria that explains both why I hate it and also how it produced so many singles.

The interesting thing here is also that some of the biggest hit albums were solely produced by one man: Mutt Lange. From the same website list of albums with the most singles these were his (4 of the top 15 albums, including #1) - but I guess being married to Shania Twain for a while doesn't hurt either:

Pyromania (7 singles)
Hysteria (7 singles)
The Woman in Me (8 singles)
Come on Over (12 singles)

Also, he produced/co-produced albums/songs by Foreigner, Bryan Adams, AC/DC, Lady Gaga, The Cars, Nickelback, Muse, Maroon 5, Celine Dion, Britney Spears, the Who, and others. The man knows how to make hits....

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The interesting thing here is also that some of the biggest hit albums were solely produced by one man: Mutt Lange.

Some might say over produced.

As an example for anyone who might watch the Classic Albums on Hysteria: there's a part where they are playing a long chord for one of the ballads, Mutt has them record six tracks for one guitar playing each single string of the chord

 

[Warhawk]

Some might say over produced.

As an example for anyone who might watch the Classic Albums on Hysteria: there's a part where they are playing a long chord for one of the ballads, Mutt has them record six tracks for one guitar playing each single string of the chord

Oh, I know. I've read and heard all about that. Still, the end product is something I like. Others, maybe not!

It's funny when they discuss having to play those songs live the first time they have to basically sit down and figure out how to; they never played the entire song before (because of what you are discussing). Here, talking about Love Bites when it blew up while on tour.



Here's some discussion on Matt and working with him.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Outstanding weather today so we drove down to a sunflower farm. Pretty cool

 

[iowamcnabb]

I’m a huge fan of bike and pedestrian friendly cities/places. I live downtown in my city, which is pretty walkable/bike friendly but I day dream about living in a place that is just filled with bike traffic like some of those European cities. I walk or ride my bike a couple hours most days ( lately I’ve been going on night rides after work) I recently read an article about how Davis has the highest bike commuting rate in the US. I know it’s close to Sac, can anyone tell me about Davis? Is it impossibly expensive? Is it just a college town or is it a great place for people aged out of that lifestyle? Any other info? Crazy traffic to Sac?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I’m a huge fan of bike and pedestrian friendly cities/places. I live downtown in my city, which is pretty walkable/bike friendly but I day dream about living in a place that is just filled with bike traffic like some of those European cities. I walk or ride my bike a couple hours most days ( lately I’ve been going on night rides after work) I recently read an article about how Davis has the highest bike commuting rate in the US. I know it’s close to Sac, can anyone tell me about Davis? Is it impossibly expensive? Is it just a college town or is it a great place for people aged out of that lifestyle? Any other info? Crazy traffic to Sac?

As a resident, kind of impossibly expensive. University prices are going to put it as probably the most expensive place this side of SF. But I think it does a very nice job of being a town that works for not just students but also for the older crowd. It has a nice downtown, and whatever you can't get in town can be had in a 20 minute drive east, north, or west. Really vibrant farmer's market twice a week is a big draw for some. Super-friendly place.

I understand that commuting *into* Sac from Davis isn't all too terrible - most of the traffic goes the other way, from less expensive housing in Sac to work at the university.

Bike commuting is a real thing, and I do it. The weather cooperates 99% of the time (not an exaggeration) between late April and late October. The winters are California mild, so unless you're trying to get somewhere before 8 AM or after midnight, you're basically assured to be above 40 degrees - a good layer, some windproof gloves, something to cover your ears and you're good to go as long as it's not raining. There's something like 55 miles of bike trail in the city (if I remember correctly) and it's pretty easy to use the Davis Bike Loop to set up a 20-mile circuit that doesn't even skirt the east/west edges of town. 90%+ of the paths are well-maintained, but there are a few spots I know of that are rooted up to point that they're nearly unrideable. But even on the roads, traffic expects bikes and will drive accordingly, and every major road has an ample bike lane. There are at least three dedicated bike/ped freeway overcrossings (and one undercrossing) in addition to the standard road crossings. Campus is filled with bikes (in fact, the roads on the central portion of campus are closed off to vehicular traffic), and you'll see plenty around town - though in recent years electric scooters are beginning to make a big headway into the market.

If you go west of town you get into farmland real quick, so if you're comfortable riding on county roads there's infinite space to explore; going east there's a separated bike lane that takes the ~5 mile freeway "causeway" bridge over the Yolo County Bypass (civic floodplain/rice farms/bit of riparian land) and drops you out in West Sac, and another ~5 miles on West Capitol will take you over the iconic Tower Bridge, and straight to the Capitol building or G1C. Something a bit under 20 miles one-way, depending on where in town you start from. Sac is less bike-friendly but does have the can't-miss American River Bike Trail that runs along the river from where it empties into the Sacramento River near downtown up about 25 miles to the Folsom Dam. Just an A+ riverside paved trail (though if you're going to do most/all of it, you're better off driving to the trailhead unless you really want to do the 40-ish mile roundtrip from Davis to the head and back on top of that).

But I understand that there's one word of advice for somebody thinking of opening a restaurant in California: "Don't." Might be a damper for you.

 

[iowamcnabb]

As a resident, kind of impossibly expensive. University prices are going to put it as probably the most expensive place this side of SF. But I think it does a very nice job of being a town that works for not just students but also for the older crowd. It has a nice downtown, and whatever you can't get in town can be had in a 20 minute drive east, north, or west. Really vibrant farmer's market twice a week is a big draw for some. Super-friendly place.

I understand that commuting *into* Sac from Davis isn't all too terrible - most of the traffic goes the other way, from less expensive housing in Sac to work at the university.

Bike commuting is a real thing, and I do it. The weather cooperates 99% of the time (not an exaggeration) between late April and late October. The winters are California mild, so unless you're trying to get somewhere before 8 AM or after midnight, you're basically assured to be above 40 degrees - a good layer, some windproof gloves, something to cover your ears and you're good to go as long as it's not raining. There's something like 55 miles of bike trail in the city (if I remember correctly) and it's pretty easy to use the Davis Bike Loop to set up a 20-mile circuit that doesn't even skirt the east/west edges of town. 90%+ of the paths are well-maintained, but there are a few spots I know of that are rooted up to point that they're nearly unrideable. But even on the roads, traffic expects bikes and will drive accordingly, and every major road has an ample bike lane. There are at least three dedicated bike/ped freeway overcrossings (and one undercrossing) in addition to the standard road crossings. Campus is filled with bikes (in fact, the roads on the central portion of campus are closed off to vehicular traffic), and you'll see plenty around town - though in recent years electric scooters are beginning to make a big headway into the market.

If you go west of town you get into farmland real quick, so if you're comfortable riding on county roads there's infinite space to explore; going east there's a separated bike lane that takes the ~5 mile freeway "causeway" bridge over the Yolo County Bypass (civic floodplain/rice farms/bit of riparian land) and drops you out in West Sac, and another ~5 miles on West Capitol will take you over the iconic Tower Bridge, and straight to the Capitol building or G1C. Something a bit under 20 miles one-way, depending on where in town you start from. Sac is less bike-friendly but does have the can't-miss American River Bike Trail that runs along the river from where it empties into the Sacramento River near downtown up about 25 miles to the Folsom Dam. Just an A+ riverside paved trail (though if you're going to do most/all of it, you're better off driving to the trailhead unless you really want to do the 40-ish mile roundtrip from Davis to the head and back on top of that).

But I understand that there's one word of advice for somebody thinking of opening a restaurant in California: "Don't." Might be a damper for you.

Thanks for the info! Unfortunately most bike friendly/ pedestrian first cities/ neighborhoods tend to be out of my potential price range. It would take a really great situation for us to leave Iowa (almost entirely due to family) but we have at least started to discuss the possibility. Bang for buck Midwest cities tend to be the best value ) if you are a cold weather tolerator like myself ) but living on the coasts closer to bigger cities would be especially appealing to my Filipino wife.

 

[Warhawk]

My wife grew up in Davis and I've been going there for almost half my life (my wife and I celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary yesterday). I can echo everything the Captain said.

Sacramento is trying to improve, though, at least off street. They just opened the Del Rio Trail recently (a rails-to-trails type project where the rails were largely kept in place - cool project!) and expansion of the Two Rivers Trail is underway along the south side of the American River just north of downtown Sacramento. They are trying to provide more recreational trails and connect those that are already there to improve pedestrian and bicycle travel.

 

[GWD]

Capt. pretty much nailed the Davis biking experience. Davis is filled with small eateries, so the competition would discourage opening a similar one there. The home/apartment prices are high in Davis and the city council is anti-growth as well as quite liberal. Schools are well above average if that is a factor.

Nearby communities (within 10 miles) of Woodland, Dixon, and Winters are underserved with good restaurants. There is a possibility for remarkable growth for a quality new dining experience. People in California will travel quite some distance for quality. However, those towns are not as bike-centric as Davis. Surrounding Davis and the towns mentioned is farmland and narrow paved roads. I often see bikes, bike groups, and bike events on those roads. The vehicle drivers are polite and respectful to bikers. Bright clothing and lights are a necessity. But there are very, very few accidents.

Davis is somewhat midway between Sacramento and San Francisco Bay Area. Like 30 miles/60 miles or so. Lots of culture, shopping, and events are there if interested in such things. Filipino influences abound.

Would I recommend moving to CA (and starting a business)? Not on your life. Although there is a lot of good, it is overwhelmed by the bad. (Not going to get political.)

Definitely stay away from Southern CA. I attended UC Riverside (SoCal) and graduated from UC Davis and it is night and day between the areas. Now I have a small farm near Vacaville and relish in the country living. That is also an option around Davis if the interest is there.

A suggestion would be to take a week-long vacation in the area and explore the possibilities.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I appreciate everyone’s opinions and perspectives on the area!

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Let's see how I did...




Umm...Wikipedia only lists four singles from Pyromania...



Interestingly, my lowest-confidence entry appears to have been the second single in release order. Huh.



And Wikipedia only lists six singles from Adrenalize.

I'm going to call it a win that I have no symbols here, and that all of the ones that I "guessed wrong" were at the bottom of the list, and perhaps rely on a different definition of "single"? Or is Wiki just lame? Warhawk, I need some help here!

As a hardcore DL fan throughout my young life, I was fairly confident that ‘Women’ was the first single released off Hysteria.

As soon as I saw that it was actually ‘Animal’ — I immediately remembered “oh yeah, that’s right”. Because most us teenagers had been listening to it during the short Summer.

The 4 1/2 years between Pyromania and Hysteria seemed like a lifetime back then.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

On a phone so not going to snip the relevant post but I’m pretty sure that while Women was the second single it may have been the first video for Hysteria.

I really hate that album.

That’s because you suck.

<pdx will know that I’m kidding>

 

[pdxKingsFan]

That’s because you suck.

<pdx will know that I’m kidding>

For the record I still love Pyromania. I have a pretty strong ballad threshold, Hysteria crossed it. Also the more I learned about how it was produced sealed that deal for me. By the time this record came out I had gone from Def Leppard, Ratt, Twisted Sister and AC/DC to the dying embers of first wave US hardcore and into the burgeoning Bay Area and thrash scenes.

The amount of good music I passed over because it was soft is kind of alarming to me today.