The "Real" Ron Artest

Actually, he does handle pressure well. Whenever he says the Kings are gonna make the playoffs, he is doing great things to make them. When he said he will stop Kobe last game, he pretty much did making Kobe shoot 28 times and only making 30 points.

I think he handles pressure well.
 
Hicks said:
But more importantly is:

2) Ron Artest is your best player. Peja is not our best player. He doesn't HAVE to be confused for Reggie Miller in the clutch. Jermaine O'Neal is, and he is expected (and wants) to take the game winning shots. I'm fine with letting him do so.

Nah, Bibby is our clutch guy.
 
Bballkingsrock said:
Actually, he does handle pressure well. Whenever he says the Kings are gonna make the playoffs, he is doing great things to make them. When he said he will stop Kobe last game, he pretty much did making Kobe shoot 28 times and only making 30 points.

I think he handles pressure well.

I agree

And on Kobe, 6 of those thirty were in the last minute of the game - when it was already over. 2/8 in the 4th up to that. Also according to foxsports, 17 pts vs. Ron. :)
 
Pressure was not the issue tonight with Ron. Ron has consistently stepped up for the Kings late in games since he's been here. Tonight, it was the emotion involved with his return to Indy, which shouldn't be confused with pressure. Pressure is having a wide open look in Game 7 of the WCF in the last minute with your team down and airballing the thing. I love Peja, but he disappears when the game is on the line. Other than hitting some free throws tonight Peja was really nowhere to be seen late in the game when the outcome was still up in the air.
 
nah tonight was a classic case of we let up on them. Then they got hot. its like when you playing your best friend and you beat them 2 games in a row or something then you start to ease up a bit and he gets red hot. just like him the pacer fans want to gloat a bit. I am just glad we are upset over 1 loss. It used to take at least 3 in a row before we got upset. I hope Indian makes the playoffs so they can see first hand the peja effect. You guys better hope JO is playing by then because he will be all you have.
 
I was out tonight, so I'm coming into this conversation late. I'll just say, over the past several years I've seen Peja in big games & the 4th quarter, and I've seen Ron in the 4th quarter. Personally, I'll take Ron in the 4th. Ron had a bad shooting night. It happens. It happens to Kobe, it happens to Bibby, Peja... you get the picture. I'm not too worried about that. But, Artest kept his compusure in a game where he was booed every time he touched the ball. I'll take it.
 
I remember Ron doing something similar in Game 7 of a Pacers-? series... Pistons, I think... he made a crucial flagrant foul that cost them the game.
 
And I remember Peja making airballs at critical junctures.

It was ONE game. Emotions for Ron had to be unbelievable. I'd rather see somebody trying too hard than somebody not trying at all...

It's over. It's one loss. Now we have to go to Minnesota for another early Sunday game. Somebody see about shipping massive quantities of Starbuck's to the hotel.

;)
 
kingkung said:
I remember Ron doing something similar in Game 7 of a Pacers-? series... Pistons, I think... he made a crucial flagrant foul that cost them the game.

and Peja has never cost the Kings a playoff game by disappearing in the 4th quarter, right?

I think Ron has done, and will continue to do, great things for this team. I don't think he's perfect, and will have an outstanding performance every game. I don't know any player in the NBA who does. So, we can take this as one off night out of many good nights, or we could take it as a sign of things to come. I think it was one off night, and he's entitled. Playing against your home team on their court is emotional. I remember Webb did the same thing the first time he played at Arco, forced shots, wanted to prove a point... Anyway, it's an off night. I'd still take Ron over Peja in a big game or the 4th quarter.
 
Well, whatever the case is, we have been in most of the games even through tough stretched thanks to Ron. He was brought here to be that franchise guy and that is his role with the Kings. Tough game tonight, Ron got man-handled and the refs took away a huge chunk of his game; free throws. The game tonight should have been a win, too many missed layups.

Good, bad, it makes no difference to me. I'd take Ron Artest any day of the week!
 
Regaurdless, if it takes over 20 games to see the supposed "Real Ron Artest" I'll take a performance like this every 20 games... ;)
 
kingsfans...seriously....u would be better served ignoring pacer fans who are doing nothing more than trolling ur board bashing ron artest and try to do so under the auspices of criticizing....

pacer fans are bitter....

they had a real championship caliber team last season, and it didnt work out....

the same is true for this season...we had a team we thought had a real shot at the title, now that hope is gone again....

even moreso, it looks like it will be a while before we have as realistic of a chance at the title as it appeared we had these past 2 seasons....

so pacer fans are bitter....hell im bitter....and shallow, insecure individuals will often look for a person to take all that bitterness and frustration out on.....for some it helps ease the pain...it also helps avoid the real issues that havent been fixed, and in some messed up way, allows some sort of hope...that and people love to feel sorry for themselves, and this approach allows them to feel like theyve been victimized....

last year, after the brawl, the initial fall guy was ron artest for some and detroit fans for most....but then it evolved in a very strange way....david stern then turned into the real fall guy, as a perceived injustice was done and the rallying cry was redemption around that concept...

this year, rons the guy....rons the guy that ended the pacers championship chances....hes the bad guy....hes the focal point for all the bitterness and frustration, because assuredly pacer fans were entitled to much more than this, and only an insane act could deprive the team and the fans of said entitlements....

truth is, this is life....things dont always play out the way we want them to or the way we think they should-let alone in a manner we think thats fair...life isnt always fair....kings fans can relate to that as much as anyone....

there are many, many reasons why things played out like this....but then accepting that would mean not being so bitter, and since alot of people are just generally bitter and unhappy with their own lives-and therefore look to sports as a way to escape that unhappiness-when they end up disappointed in their potential escape, the harsh reality of their lives simply is too much, and seeing things for the way they truly are simply isnt good enuff....admitting things simply dont always go the way we want isnt good enuff....

they want a pound of flesh.....they want to hurt someone, in an attempt to not be the only one hurting....misery loves company....and if ur miserable, then ur not happy unless ur making others miserable...

truth is there are hundreds of factors in all of this....mistakes were made by many, many people....ron artest is only one of those people....facts are some people in much higher positions-and who more is expected of when it comes to the actual success of the franchise-they made mistakes....they saw things, yet didnt do what wouldve possibly altered the course....

alot of people are responsible for the pacers fate....many bear the burden for things turning out the way they did....then again, some things happen in life that noone has any real control over.....in sports, thats why they play the games...and thats why we find it so interesting....because things dont always go the way we or others think they should....that, in large part is the attraction....

but then to some bitter and miserable people, it feels so much better to direct all that hate and bitterness on one person....rather than deal with the reality of the situation....

so dont sweat it kingsfans....just realize it for what it is....
 
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hey...in life, sometimes reality sucks....

so much so sometimes, that we will fabricate a distorted version of the truth to take hold of, in an effort to avoid the real truth-to avoid reality...
 
Ron had nothing to do with our loss tonight. He's handled pressure fine so far. In fact I forgot which game it was but he stepped up and scored a whole bunch in th 4th not too long ago to put us over the top. Ended up with 30 pts. The fact of the matter is we missed a good 10 lay ups at point blank range in the 4th quarter. And it was not all artest. It was bonzi and reef and martin and everybody. You can't do that and win games. End of discussion.
 
i dont really care what ever pacer fan comes here and say ron artest cant handle pressure etc...

just take a look at the records for both teams since the trade, is all i have to say...

i mean common its one game, and i dont really care as long as the kings and ron dont let the performance tonight (which is a game the kings should've won) affect them negatively in the future...
 
I don't think Hicks was trying to offend anyone or rain on anyone's parade... I think it was his honest assessment of Ron Artest. Not a big deal.
 
kingkung said:
I don't think Hicks was trying to offend anyone or rain on anyone's parade... I think it was his honest assessment of Ron Artest. Not a big deal.


Yep. an honest veiwpoint from a Pacer fan who been through alot of crap with Artest. Im sure I'd have the same veiwpoint if I were him. Ask any longtime Kings fan about O.P. I BOO'd that jerk when he came back to ARCO.


so much so sometimes, that we will fabricate a distorted version of the truth to take hold of, in an effort to avoid the real truth-to avoid reality...

Foretaz... You remind of Stanley In Roseville :eek: (whos a local caller to radio here and does call some national overnight shows). He love Barry Lamar Bonds and Danny Fortson like you do Artest. Its not a compliment. Its an illness.
 
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gee...slug...many thanks for the diagnosis...all these years ive been searching for answers....but now with ur expert analysis, ive been able to see the light....

im extremely grateful...to express just how grateful i am i would love to send u a check for twice the amount that stanley paid u for ur services.....and if u ever need a reference, please feel free to send people with questions to me...ill set 'em straight...
 
I didn't see the game but I didn't see the need to boo him the whole game but in his interview I saw on Espn after the game, he showed a lot of class by appreciating the fans who didn't boo and actually cheered him. He could have lost it but he kept his cool and I don't know how many people could have that. I guess piksi made sure he had plenty of pills.;)
 
I don't care about the "real Ron Artest" in a game where Brad Miller played like a moron in the 2nd half, Kevin Martin didn't get enough playing time and Bonzi Wells missed enough layups to win both of the games on this road trip.
 
loopymitch said:
I didn't see the game but I didn't see the need to boo him the whole game

I've mentioned this before, but good as Ron has been for us (and he may have turned aroudn the entire franchise's fortunes) I have complete sympathy for the Pacers fans. They were a 61 win team before Ron went wacky. An absolute title contender. And then he blew up the franchise. Just really wiped them out. Set them back years. I rarely have sympathy for booers. But these I understand. If any fans of any team have any reason to boo anybody, Pacers fans have a reason to boo Ron, long and lustily. He killed their dreams.
 
Bricklayer said:
I've mentioned this before, but good as Ron has been for us (and he may have turned aroudn the entire franchise's fortunes) I have complete sympathy for the Pacers fans. They were a 61 win team before Ron went wacky. An absolute title contender. And then he blew up the franchise. Just really wiped them out. Set them back years. I rarely have sympathy for booers. But these I understand. If any fans of any team have any reason to boo anybody, Pacers fans have a reason to boo Ron, long and lustily. He killed their dreams.

while noone likes to have their dreams taken away, without ron there would have been no 61 win season....

without ron, there would have been no realistic belief that a title was possible...

i guess it goes back to the old dilemma...is it better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all....
 
RaY Z said:
just take a look at the records for both teams since the trade, is all i have to say...

I think we should only look at our record. 15-8 is not bad at all. Jus tlooking at the loss column, it has been pretty even. Pacers have lost 9 games since the trade (12-9), but to their credit they are so injury plauged that you would think that Conseco is built on top of the Indian burial ground and not Arco.

I think both teams are playing great given the circumstances after the trade. Now that season series between Sac and Indy is over, I think it would be the best if we wish them best of the luck and they do the same to us :)
 
foretaz said:
while noone likes to have their dreams taken away, without ron there would have been no 61 win season....

without ron, there would have been no realistic belief that a title was possible...

i guess it goes back to the old dilemma...is it better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all....

Its better not to have your love go crazy, tear down your future together and take a big heaping dump on your heart is what's better.

There is no two sides to it -- Ron was wrong. Repeatedly. Vastly immature. Hopefully we are going to benefit here from a grown up player who has learned from his past mistakes. Still doesn't change the fact he has hurt people in the past. And they have every right to express it.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Its better not to have your love go crazy, tear down your future together and take a big heaping dump on your heart is what's better.

i agree....

and thats simply not what happened...

thats like blaming a loss on a guy who misses a last second shot...but without that guy, u never wouldve been in the position to win the game to begin with....

things are never that simple...and one person never is to blame, no matter how much some might like to believe otherwise....alot of people played a role in how things went, including ron....singleing anyone of those people out and placing the whole blame on them is simply uninformed and ridiculous....
 
foretaz said:
i agree....

and thats simply not what happened...

thats like blaming a loss on a guy who misses a last second shot...but without that guy, u never wouldve been in the position to win the game to begin with....

things are never that simple...and one person never is to blame, no matter how much some might like to believe otherwise....alot of people played a role in how things went, including ron....singleing anyone of those people out and placing the whole blame on them is simply uninformed and ridiculous....

Oh good lord. :rolleyes:

I made the same remark a few weeks ago to another player fan who is no longer with us: many a player fan ends up doing his idol a disservice by making excuses, blaming others, complaining in ways that the principal himself might never do.

And in this case I sincerely HOPE that the principal doesn't share your propensity to shift the blame around. If he hasn't reached the point in his maturation where he can own up to ****ing up, then he will likely do it again.
 
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