It's funny how many "Fire Adelman" threads start out like, "I'm a big Adelman supporter, but..." Kind of like so many of the trade threads...
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ONEZERO
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Vlad said:
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thesanityannex
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UclaKingsFan
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IMO Adelman should have been fired last year. I believe he is an adequate coach who can get above average results out of great talent. A lot of other teams in the NBA would love to have them at this point, just none of the championship contenders. The problem is that he doesn't maximize the talent he has on the team. The concept of team defense has been lost on this team since day 1. Defensive rotation, helpside defense---these terms don't apply to Sacramento. Adelman is also loyal to a fault to certain players. I realize Bibby and Stojakovic are all-star caliber players, but if they are slumping, it wouldn't hurt to play their reserves during crunch time. Most importantly though, is that Adelman has never instilled toughness in this team. Every team is a direct reflection of its coach, so its no surprise that the Kings have wilted under pressure every post-season. They are soft, weak willed, and lack confidence--just like their coach. When the team faces adversity, it folds. Please don't cite how they win 50+ games every year with a myriad of injuries because the regular season doesn't count for anything.
The Kings need a coach who can take the team to the next level; to instill a confidence and toughness in the team that would enable them to get past hard nosed, strong willed teams in the playoffs.
The Kings need a coach who can take the team to the next level; to instill a confidence and toughness in the team that would enable them to get past hard nosed, strong willed teams in the playoffs.
^^Oh, lord.
And it's no surprise, either, that the Kings have managed to have 50+ wins every year, despite a plethora of unfortunate injuries that would have totally destroyed other teams.
I'm going to cite that fact because it matters. It's amazing to me how some people will rant against Adelman and then try and avoid the other side of the coin.
The Kings are soft, weak willed and lack confidence?
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do I smell a whiff of troll in the air?
And it's no surprise, either, that the Kings have managed to have 50+ wins every year, despite a plethora of unfortunate injuries that would have totally destroyed other teams.
I'm going to cite that fact because it matters. It's amazing to me how some people will rant against Adelman and then try and avoid the other side of the coin.
The Kings are soft, weak willed and lack confidence?
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do I smell a whiff of troll in the air?
You can't turn a duck into a bear. There's no coach, alive or dead, that could make the current incarnation of the Sacramento Kings into a "hard nosed, strong willed" team, and any coach that tried would cause half the team to suffer a nervous breakdown.UclaKingsFan said:
Kingsgurl
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Oh please. I have to watch all 82 of those regular season games. I would prefer to watch wins, personally. People act like 50 wins is either A. the Kings God given right B. something so easy to do, any team can accomplish this feat, year after year or now C. something that doesn't even matter.
This year, you better take your enjoyment where you can, because if competing for a Championship in the post season is ALL that matters to you, this years team may not be the one for you.
Well, then I would say he fits about perfect.
KP
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The only reason I would like to see Adelman be fired at this point is so he can go someplace where people actually appreciate him. Even if he does manage to salvage this season and win 50 games, from what I've heard from his interviews there is a good chance he will leave us anyway. If you got those kind of results at your job and were shown the level of apprection the owners and the fans give him wouldn't you leave?
UclaKingsFan
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VF21 said:
I'm no troll; just someone who has been around awhile but has not gotten around to posting yet. I thought that taking the wildly unpopular position of firing Adelman would be an exciting way of introducing myself to the forum.
And yes, I do realize that the Kings have won 50+ games a year with various injuries. Kudos to Adelman. But like I said before, the regular season means nothing. Champions are made in the post season. This is where Adelman comes up short. His system works beautifully in the regular season, but come playoff time, when the intensity rises and the defense is much more intense, his teams fold. They did in Portland, and they do in Sacramento. Again, I'm not saying Adelman is a bad coach, just not a championship one. After suffering through the 80's and early 90's with those dreadful Kings' squads, Adelman was a breath of fresh air. But priorities and satisfaction levels change. Its the nature of the beast. Before, all Sacramento wanted was a playoff team. Well now I want a championship team, and that will never happen under Adelman.
UclaKingsFan
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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
I have to admit that there is a lot of validity in what you say. Personnel does dictate what you can and cannot do on the court. However, I would still like to see some sort of commitment to defense and a tougher mindset. I realize that those qualities are not the strong point of our current players, but that's no excuse to totally ignore them. With any kind of semblance of team defense or intestinal fortitude when adversity rears its ugly head, our 50 win team that gets bounced every year in the first or second round could become a 60 win team that goes to the finals.
UclaKingsFan said:
Sorry, but the refrain is tired and old - and very typical of some previous posters who are no longer here.
The Kings didn't FOLD in the WCF because of poor coaching. In addition, they didn't FOLD the next year - they were doing quite well until a certain power forward crumbled to the floor and didn't get up. The Kings hopes to go further sprawled there on the court with him.
Last year, they didn't FOLD as much as they were simply outplayed after mid-season trades that pretty much guaranteed an early exit from the playoffs.
Right now, the coach is the least of our problems.
Feel free to continue to rail against Adelman and his inadequacies. We'll agree to disagree... with the understanding that at the end of the year, if not before, it may all end up being moot anyway.
UclaKingsFan
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Kingsgurl said:
I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying. If reaching 50 regular season wins and seeing an above average product on the floor is what you want out of your team, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with Adelman. Like I said before, there are quite a few other teams in the league that would love to have that. But, winning championships is the only thing that matters to a fan like me. If they fall short of that goal, then I will not complain as long as I know that my team gave all it had in order to reach its goal. With Adelman at the helm, however, the organization is not doing all that it can to win the NBA championship. And, to the Maloof's credit, I think they are starting to realize that. That's why they inquired into Jackson's coaching availability before this year. That's why Adelman has not received an extension. I appreciate Adelman's regular season achievements, and no, they have not been easy. But now its time for something more.
UclaKingsFan
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VF21 said:
As old as my refrain seems to you, yours seems the same way to me. But you are right, we will have to agree to disagree. Not everyone sees everything the same way. This forum would be very boring if it were otherwise.
KP said:
He'll leave, most likely, because NBA coaches always leave sooner or later.
And, at some point in the future, perhaps some of those fans, who have failed to understand just exactly what he has done for this franchise, will start to realize how good a coach he really was.
A lot of us tried telling people to enjoy the good years of Bibby, Doug, Peja, Chris and Vlade because they wouldn't last forever. Some of us are singing the same refrain now...
Once again, I'll quote:
As Barkley once said, during one of his rare moments of clarity, "coaches are hired to be fired." There's really only two options for a coach, when you think about it: quit or be fired; I doubt even one coach in two hundred is ever afforded the opportunity to leave under amicable conditions, on their own terms.VF21 said:
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thesanityannex
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I don't think many here are exactly bashing Adelman but more so just saying they want to see some change. I can go either way, sure, I'd like to see a change too. A different style of ball, different coach, different results. Problem is, different results could be no more fifty win seasons or playoff appearances, and frequent trips to the lottery.
I have to say before reading any of the posts that this thread made me laugh my head off. The season wouldn't be complete without a "Fire Adelman" thread. My 2 pennies, he's Geoff Petrie's guy and in Petrie we trust. Also I think he's a excellent coach who should play Corliss more. And bring one of his scorers off the bench and put that pouting punk Thomas in as a starter (if that's the only way to get the best out of that SOB until we can unload him).
I wonder if Jazz fans go through this...thesanityannex said:
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they have fans?
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thesanityannex
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same here. it was shot down pretty quick in the thread i made "peja off the bench". reef/thomas 4/3 as starters. sounds good to me. who would you rather have whining, peja or thomas?
Kingsgurl
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A Championship is what we have ALL hoped and prayed etc for. This team isn't it, by a long shot. At this point, hell yea, I'd settle for an above average team and 50 wins. Hell yeah. Far better than losing the majority of your regular season games, or not making the play offs at all. If you really think a different coach would all the sudden transform this team into a Championship contender, I really don't know what to say.
thesanityannex said:
At this point, I rather see Thomas whine. The only way we get anything of value for Peja (as opposed to simply watching him walk away) is if he performs well enough to be trade fodder. If he's curled up under the bench in total shutdown, we won't get much of an offer for him.
Peja may not be the best player to play the game, but he is a shooter. His shot will come back. When it does, we can decide whether or not to offer him a lucrative contract OR put him out on the wires for trade.
We're not gonna get offers for KT no matter what. His contrast is too long and it's bloated. We may have to bite the bullet on him anyway.
sloter
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Ah, someone starts a Fire Adelman thread and people jump on him right away... well known story.
The reality is that there at least as many reasons to fire him (for several years now) as there are to keep him. The only reason why he is still in the club is because he is friends with Petrie.
I also disagree that a more strict coach couldn't alter the mentality of this team. If someone is soft, bench him, if Pedja plays soft, don't give him 40 mins a game. Give him 5. Next time he's on the court, in his contract year, he'll make sure to dive for the loose balls.
The reality is that there at least as many reasons to fire him (for several years now) as there are to keep him. The only reason why he is still in the club is because he is friends with Petrie.
I also disagree that a more strict coach couldn't alter the mentality of this team. If someone is soft, bench him, if Pedja plays soft, don't give him 40 mins a game. Give him 5. Next time he's on the court, in his contract year, he'll make sure to dive for the loose balls.
Is it really going to be like this the entire year?
Come on...
This is most likely Adelman's last year. Why not just let it go?
We have much bigger problems on this team right now than who the coach is.
And, once again, I have to wonder: If not Adelman, who exactly is it that will come in and work the miracle that will transform this team into CHAMPIONS!!
NBA coaches do not grow on trees. If JUST ONCE someone could come up with a viable alternative, maybe those of us who are perhaps a little more grounded might NOT jump on the thread starter right away.
Come on...
This is most likely Adelman's last year. Why not just let it go?
We have much bigger problems on this team right now than who the coach is.
And, once again, I have to wonder: If not Adelman, who exactly is it that will come in and work the miracle that will transform this team into CHAMPIONS!!
NBA coaches do not grow on trees. If JUST ONCE someone could come up with a viable alternative, maybe those of us who are perhaps a little more grounded might NOT jump on the thread starter right away.
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Simply watching him walk away may be the best value we can get for him. If he goes nuts this year and puts up huge numbers, (not likely) we will be forced to give him the max. Maybe having him curled up under the bench could lower his value and help us keep him. I'm just throwing out ideas here, take everything I say with large lumps of salt. This is what boredom at work amounts to.VF21 said:
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we couldve replaced adelman a looooooooong time ago. all we needed was to keep pete carril(hes the genius to our offense). adelman a good regular season coach, but hes not the type to win a championship with. look at teams that have replaced their coach and have had success. pat riley went crazy when his team was 6-22 in wades rookie year and stepped down to let stan van gundy take over. what was the result? a playoff birth that went into the second round pushing the team with the best record in the nba to 6 games. i dont hate adelman, its just that sometimes you need new blood instilled in a team and sometimes a coach is where it comes from. players get tired of acoach especially when u add new players that havent played in his system and look lost out there. i think adelman shouldve been gone right after the 03-04 season. hes a great coach, but his time in sacto is done. it happens to lots of coaches and teams. new blood is what we need. now to find the right coach is hard and thats why we ride out this season with adelman and who knows he might have his best year as a coach and i will shut up and he will get an extention and we will be back on top again. but if we have a sub-par year, then i think the maloofs and petrie will not bring him back.
