The official word - Natt is gone...

[VF21]

Must have NBA Head coaching experience, is just another knee jerk reaction like the firing of Reggie Theus. After Theus was ousted, the rats came out with criticisms and innuendos, trying to blame the entire Kings roster mess on Reggie. When the truth was that the FO over estimated the quality of the team. And, no coach could have gotten any better results out of our roster, with key players out because of drugs & injuries.

Theus still has the 2nd best winning percentage of all the coaches here in Sac. And, Eric Musselman is tied for the 3rd best winning percentage. So, to start pointing fingers at the coaches or even the Maloof's, is wrong. It was GP who put the players together, and it was his job to make the Maloofs understand that going from Theus to Natt was going to make the situation worse.

Now, we're going 180 degree's in the opposite direction. We're going to drag in some old retread NBA coach with a losing record, in an effort not to repeat a preceived mistake from the past. And, by doing so, we might be eliminating some of the biggest potential winners in the NBA assistant ranks & in the European ranks.

I can only hope, that all this hyperbole is a ruse to disguise GP's real intentions. I hope GP realizes that he's just as much to blame as Theus maybe even more so.

Players win; coaches lose. Thus it has been written and thus it ever shall be...

As far as Theus having the 2nd best record and Musselman the third, all that shows is just how special Rick Adelman really was.

Kings teams simply have not over the years been very good. Rick Adelman was able to get the most of a group of players that might well have crashed and burned under a different coach. They didn't, in good part because of Rick Adelman. If anything, it shows what a really good coach can do with the right pieces.

 

[Solano25]

Must have NBA Head coaching experience, is just another knee jerk reaction like the firing of Reggie Theus. After Theus was ousted, the rats came out with criticisms and innuendos, trying to blame the entire Kings roster mess on Reggie. When the truth was that the FO over estimated the quality of the team. And, no coach could have gotten any better results out of our roster, with key players out because of drugs & injuries.

Theus still has the 2nd best winning percentage of all the coaches here in Sac. And, Eric Musselman is tied for the 3rd best winning percentage. So, to start pointing fingers at the coaches or even the Maloof's, is wrong. It was GP who put the players together, and it was his job to make the Maloofs understand that going from Theus to Natt was going to make the situation worse.

I agree, but would also say it wasn't even GP's fault that the team fell off so much. Team success is cyclical anyway (unless you get lucky and draft Tim Duncan on your one bad year) and a big dropoff was bound to happen. I just wish they would not have panicked and fired Adelman 3 years ago and let him see through the lows to get back to the highs again. Utah let Jerry Sloan do it.

 

[Bricklayer]

Theus is an arrogant SOB who fired himself. Casting continued aspersions over it is ridiculous. I would have canned him myself by the All Star break of year 1 at the point that not only he was telling me my business, but he was launching a slimy media campaign that was all about him to back it up. In any case no other team was interested in him for a head coach, for a reason. He made every mistake a rookie NBA coach can make, and then threw on a heaping helping of overinflated self importance to go with it.

And given where the repeated post Adelman blunders have left us (the biggest blunder being getting to the post Adelman stage in the first place), if we are going for an experienced hand, that's within the realm of reason at this point. This next coach can NOT fail. At least not short term. We are deep into the coaching merry go round at this point, have hit rock bottom, and need to get that position cleared up and steadied at least. Of course it all depends WHO you hire as the veteran coach, but we don't need anymore neophytes cutting their teeth at our expense.

I am a little puzzled as to how this statement by Geoff meshes with his remark that some of the people we are interested in might still be working -- unless he is counting on Byron Scott to be fired or talking about the Harris/Bickerstaff old man duo in Chicago I'm struggling to think of too many other experienced head coaches working as assistants in these playoffs. What is he planning to do? Hire Doug Moe after 20 years out of the game? Bring the franchise full circle and hire Phil Johnson back from under Sloan?

 

[VF21]

Uh oh. I thought of someone else...

Hubie.

 

[Aenadin]

hubie brown retired right?

what bout doug collins?

 

[rainmaker]

hubie brown retired right?

what bout doug collins?

I would be all for D. Collins. I don't know if he wants to coach again. I haven't heard his name thrown out their by anyone. Local or national media.

 

[VF21]

Aenadin - I was being facetious. Sorry, I should have used the emoticon...

 

[PurpleHaze]

After Hubie Brown won COY with the Griz he shortly thereafter quit VERY surprisingly. I don't recall specific details of why (like JVG saying he was burned out in Houston) but it was health related. For sure, if I could have a coach named Brown it would NOT be that other one named Larry.

 

[fnordius]

I am a little puzzled as to how this statement by Geoff meshes with his remark that some of the people we are interested in might still be working...

What if they were busy doing something else (than NBA coaching) over the next couple of months? Then even people like Jeff Bzdelik might qualify. There are a lot of ex NBA coaches out there.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I am a little puzzled as to how this statement by Geoff meshes with his remark that some of the people we are interested in might still be working -- unless he is counting on Byron Scott to be fired or talking about the Harris/Bickerstaff old man duo in Chicago I'm struggling to think of too many other experienced head coaches working as assistants in these playoffs. What is he planning to do? Hire Doug Moe after 20 years out of the game? Bring the franchise full circle and hire Phil Johnson back from under Sloan?

I was wondering the same thing ..

Unless he ment working - as in calling games - JVG =]

 

[rainmaker]

With the Magic down 2-1, and the recent comments about Stan Van Gundy I wouldn't suprised if he is let go. The Magic are too talented to get bounced in the 1st round. I wouldn't be my first option but I wouldn't mind his ability to teach defense.

 

[Aenadin]

Doug collins would be my choice for a coach.... he coached micheal in his early days and has a 50 plus percent coaching record

i was thinking lets go with names not mentioned much since petrie likes to get us all up on our heels and have expressions such as ""


Aside from guys like mike fratello, avery, eddie, maurice cheeks, JVG,and randy whittman who are coaches with said "Nba experience" (some of these guys dont have a successful coaching career however

here are some of that are never mentioned.. some havent had good players... but most of them have at least some sort of experience

1. Doug Collins
2. Terry Stotts
3. Lon Kruger
4. Tim Floyd
5. Bill Cartwright


note i preffer doug collins above all of them lol cause im pretty sure some people wont like the other choices out there

 

[bajaden]

Doug collins would be my choice for a coach.... he coached micheal in his early days and has a 50 plus percent coaching record

i was thinking lets go with names not mentioned much since petrie likes to get us all up on our heels and have expressions such as ""


Aside from guys like mike fratello, avery, eddie, maurice cheeks, JVG,and randy whittman who are coaches with said "Nba experience" (some of these guys dont have a successful coaching career however

here are some of that are never mentioned.. some havent had good players... but most of them have at least some sort of experience

1. Doug Collins
2. Terry Stotts
3. Lon Kruger
4. Tim Floyd
5. Bill Cartwright


note i preffer doug collins above all of them lol cause im pretty sure some people wont like the other choices out there

At this point in my life, I have a hard enough time remembering where I left my shoes. So remembering who was a head coach in the NBA is like groping in the dark for me. Could be that Petrie expects that there will be more firings after the season. Oh God! Gary St. Jean's image just flashed through my mind. I need a drink!

 

[VF21]

Since this is becoming more about potential coaches, I'm moving the thread to the Personnel Moves forum.

Carry on.

 

[kingsfan1O]

Yeah, the firing was expected for a while. I really want GP have total control of the coaching selection. Not only that, but fully utilize his power as General Manager. Too bad the Maloofs influence is/will be significant for any major moves.

 

[VF21]

I don't think we have any way of knowing what kind of influence the Maloofs will exert. I strongly suspect they've learned their lesson - at least for the short term - and will let Petrie work his magic and call his own shots.

 

[kingsfan1O]

I don't think we have any way of knowing what kind of influence the Maloofs will exert. I strongly suspect they've learned their lesson - at least for the short term - and will let Petrie work his magic and call his own shots.

Yeah, you are right. But as we know in the past, their influence were inevitable though. And can have a major impact for the Kings. But like you said, I hope they learned their lesson.

And I'm pretty sure they can't mess this one up. Unless, there is another coach that uses powerpoint

 

[Capt. Factorial]

With the Magic down 2-1, and the recent comments about Stan Van Gundy I wouldn't suprised if he is let go. The Magic are too talented to get bounced in the 1st round. I wouldn't be my first option but I wouldn't mind his ability to teach defense.

I don't know about that. There might be some bad blood here as regards Stan Van Gundy after the first time around.

 

[Aenadin]

At this point in my life, I have a hard enough time remembering where I left my shoes. So remembering who was a head coach in the NBA is like groping in the dark for me. Could be that Petrie expects that there will be more firings after the season. Oh God! Gary St. Jean's image just flashed through my mind. I need a drink!

ive researched almost all the coaches that have been fired or dismissed.. and narrowed it down to those i listed... there was this guy larry kryst- sumthing... too

add sam mitchell to the experienced achieved something coaches

 

[HighTopKicks]

Players win; coaches lose. Thus it has been written and thus it ever shall be...

As far as Theus having the 2nd best record and Musselman the third, all that shows is just how special Rick Adelman really was.

Kings teams simply have not over the years been very good. Rick Adelman was able to get the most of a group of players that might well have crashed and burned under a different coach. They didn't, in good part because of Rick Adelman. If anything, it shows what a really good coach can do with the right pieces.

Maybe Rick was special, but maybe he just had a better roster. Remember Rick lost in the 1st round of the playoffs 4 times and only made it to the conference finals once.

Natt with all his NBA experience had a worst winning percentage than Reggie and his years coaching college. But, the real measuring stick for the Theus era will be next year. How will our new coach with his NBA Head coaching experience, do with the final remains of last years roster. I'm guessing we'll still be on the short side of .400 even with the #1 pick.

Sometime coaches lose because the roster sucks.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Maybe Rick was special, but maybe he just had a better roster. Remember Rick lost in the 1st round of the playoffs 4 times and only made it to the conference finals once.

Natt with all his NBA experience had a worst winning percentage than Reggie and his years coaching college. But, the real measuring stick for the Theus era will be next year. How will our new coach with his NBA Head coaching experience, do with the final remains of last years roster. I'm guessing we'll still be on the short side of .400 even with the #1 pick.

Sometime coaches lose because the roster sucks.

Agree with this fully. Coaches can keep a locker room together. Maximize their teams potential with good gameplans and in game moves. And generally make a team win a few extra games than they would with a less coach. However, there almost seems to be a mystique that elite coaches can achieve great results with minimal talent.

Look at the "great" coaches though:

Phil Jackson - Won championships with MJ/Scottie and Kobe/Shaq. Was knocked out in the first round with the best player in the league and a mediocre supporing cast. Now the Lakers have the most talent in the league and suddenly he's probably going to win another.

Larry Brown - Made it to three finals and won 1 with the two of the most talented teams in his conference (his coaching did make a difference). Then stunk with the Knicks and missed the playoffs with the Bobcats, although the Bobcats probably did overachieve relative to their talent.

Rick Adelman - 2 Finals with the Blazers, rock bottom and out of the league after the Warriors imploded, 2nd best team in the league with the Kings, now 1st round exits with a good but not great Rockets team.

Doc Rivers - Ok, this is kind of a joke, but was hated by Celtics fans over a number of losing seasons. Now a great coach who somehow won a championship with KG, Allen and Pierce. Amazing how smart he got overnight.

Obviously this is a small sampling, but the point is, even the well respected coaches perform relative to their talent.

That's why when evaluating coaches my current mantra is to look more at attributes like did their teams under or over perform relative to talent, did they lose their locker room, were they noticably outcoached in the playoffs. I think these tell you more than just WL record.

 

[bloom]

Finally Natt is fired!! He really was put in a bad situation but he didn’t do anything to change it either – especially with his “wonderful” playbook and bad substitutions. Good luck to him but I’m glad he’s not here.

I’m really nervous for the second part – finding the right head coach. I’m hoping Eddie Jordan doesn’t get hired.

I don't think we have any way of knowing what kind of influence the Maloofs will exert. I strongly suspect they've learned their lesson - at least for the short term - and will let Petrie work his magic and call his own shots.

I totally agree. I'm glad that they're allowing Geoff to start doing his job.