The Dribble Drive Offense

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I'm not an X's and O's guy but I can recognize a good article about it which I have cut and pasted a small portion of below along with a link.

My question is how do you think the Kings and specifically the new acquisitions will adapt to this offense? IMO Rondo and Collison should be able to initiate it well.

"On dribble-penetration, the ball-handler has several options including... (1) finishing the lay-up, (2) dumping it to the post player on the opposite block, (3) passing to a back-cutter inside, or (4) passing it back out to the three point arc for the outside shot. The main thought process however, should always be "get to the rack"... the other options are there if the player with the ball is stopped by the defense."



Link----> http://www.coachesclipboard.net/DribbleDriveMotionOffense.html
 
Driving always gives other players on your team at least an inch or centimeter advantage over the defense when you pass the ball to a teammate. This is the foundation of Rondo's game. The closer the ball is to the basket, the more the defense has to shift.
 
Heres a couple videos of the dribble drive.



We will be seeing a lot of small ball play. Even when Koufos started for Karl he only played 22mpg. That same year McGee only played 18mpg that's 2 non offensive threats like. I think Koufos and WCS minuets will be spread like that.
 
Watching dribble drive sets I wonder how Cousins will fit in. He did really well last year when initiating the offense with this ball handling and passing so I hope we see more of that, and less reliance on guard penetration. You have a HOF potential big man, you don't need guards riding up his back. I do like the idea of sharing the ball though and Karl is known to like more of a team game.
 
Ummm, I'm sure we can run many offensive sets. It's not like once you run a dribble drive play you are stuck for the rest of the game. Do you think running a low post offense each time would always work?
 
SacTownKid said:
Watching dribble drive sets I wonder how Cousins will fit in. He did really well last year when initiating the offense with this ball handling and passing so I hope we see more of that, and less reliance on guard penetration. You have a HOF potential big man, you don't need guards riding up his back. I do like the idea of sharing the ball though and Karl is known to like more of a team game.
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Dribble drive, post feed, it doesn't matter! Get the ball inside and see what happens!
 
jdbraver said:
Ummm, I'm sure we can run many offensive sets. It's not like once you run a dribble drive play you are stuck for the rest of the game. Do you think running a low post offense each time would always work?
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My philosophy is that if it isn't broke don't fix it. If post feeding works one time, keep trying it and abusing it until something gets exposed. Similarly, if dribble-driving works one time, keep trying it and abusing it until something gets exposed.
 
lawlman91 said:
My philosophy is that if it isn't broke don't fix it. If post feeding works one time, keep trying it and abusing it until something gets exposed. Similarly, if dribble-driving works one time, keep trying it and abusing it until something gets exposed.
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Our record indicates we need more variety.
 
Here is another link and outtake from an article about the Dribble Drive Offense. It is a Pelican article but you can just ignore that stuff and insert Kings stuff in its place:)

"Despite what the name implies, this isn’t a 1990s-style offense that requires one player to handle in isolation while the rest of his teammates just stand around (“It’s not ‘my turn, your turn,’” as Walberg puts it). The basic premise of the offense calls for players to use motion and cuts off the ball in order to create gaps for teammates to attack the heart of a defense. Once the dribble penetration starts, players are looking to get to the rim, drop it off to a big man working the baseline (called the rack zone), or kick it out to a teammate on the perimeter who can then attack against a shifting defense."

"According to Walberg, the Nuggets only ran the true dribble drive about 5 percent of the time"


http://grantland.com/the-triangle/h...be-the-perfect-fit-for-the-revamped-pelicans/
 
And another from Coach Cal:

"my curiosity got the better of me, and I asked Vance what kind of offense he was going to be running in his first year at Fresno City. I’m always fascinated by listening to what others are doing to either innovate or improve on old principles.
I’ll never forget his answer: “You don’t want to know,” he laughed. “It’s a little bit off the wall.”

I insisted, and in no time Vance had cleared space and created a “court” on our table. Salt shakers were baskets and sugar packets were players.

Now you’ve got to understand, I had always been a fairly old-school coach when it came to offense (and defense too). I believed in play-calling from the bench and running the classic motion offense, based mainly on screening (setting picks). I wasn’t necessarily looking to change what I was doing, because, to be honest, I was having pretty good success doing it my way. But I always wanted to be aware of what others were trying and seeing if any of their concepts would fit with what I was doing or if I would be able to game plan against it.

Vance’s offense blew me away. It gave every player the freedom to take his man to the hoop on every play. I saw it as something that would unleash players and could potentially be a huge recruiting tool because of its up-tempo, frenetic pace. Scoring opportunities would be plentiful, and it was like nothing I’ve ever seen put into action."


Link---> http://www.coachcal.com/about-cal/history-with-ddmo/
 
jdbraver said:
Ummm, I'm sure we can run many offensive sets. It's not like once you run a dribble drive play you are stuck for the rest of the game. Do you think running a low post offense each time would always work?
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Getting the ball into prime position does work every time. You can always extend beyond that initial play but basing your offensive "scheme" around anything other than your best players is going to most likely end up better for the team guarding you. Last year the team did just that pretty much with the emphasis on spacing and defense and it did work. Until Cousins went down. It just depends on what they mean by it and how they intend to use their best players.
 
King Baller said:
This fella claims none other than the GSW are adopters of the DDO. (this one is a few years old)

Click here and read on Sports Fans---> http://coachingbetterbball.blogspot.com/2007/10/small-ball-revolution-memphis-attack.html
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Yeah, and notice the one thing missing from that team that the Kings are building around. Does that team remotely sound like the one Vlade put together? I see more similarities in this team to the Kings of the past, or the Lakers with Shaq than I do the small ball run and gun Warriors. One interesting thing they did last year was allowing Cousins to RUN the dribble drive. They let him become the play maker and it worked well. He's probably a better mid post driver than he is a pure back to the basket player. I just don't think guards clogging the paint or looking to dump off to Cousins is the best idea because that's the primary reason he and Tyreke never really got going and he why and Collison did. We'll have to see what his role is. He's not an above the rim finisher and he tends to finish closer to the floor using his dribbling and footwork so if his main role is that of a dump off man at the rim then I'm not sold on it.
 
SacTownKid said:
Yeah, and notice the one thing missing from that team that the Kings are building around. Does that team remotely sound like the one Vlade put together? I see more similarities in this team to the Kings of the past, or the Lakers with Shaq than I do the small ball run and gun Warriors. One interesting thing they did last year was allowing Cousins to RUN the dribble drive. They let him become the play maker and it worked well. He's probably a better mid post driver than he is a pure back to the basket player. I just don't think guards clogging the paint or looking to dump off to Cousins is the best idea because that's the primary reason he and Tyreke never really got going and he why and Collison did. We'll have to see what his role is. He's not an above the rim finisher and he tends to finish closer to the floor using his dribbling and footwork so if his main role is that of a dump off man at the rim then I'm not sold on it.
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First we have to see how strict of a dribble drive offense Karl runs. Knowing that will tell us a lot about he'll use Cousins. Remember, the DDO was developed with the idea of just one post player on the floor. Every other player is a perimeter player. When run strictly, the only player that sets up inside the three point circle is the post player, usually on the left side of the basket near the baseline. He becomes the recipient of lobs, dunks, or missed layups, along with dishes. Every other player sets up outside the three point line with the PG being the player who penetrates. The PG has a ton of options once he gets into the lane and I won't bore you by going through all of them.

The no/no's in this offense are: 1. You never ever stay in one spot and just dribble the ball. If you have the ball, your options are, you shoot the ball. You pass the ball, or you put the ball on the floor and attack the basket. 2. You never take a midrange shot unless you have no other option. Why? Because statistically its a lower percentage shot than any shot at the basket, or the corner three. 3. No one stays in the same position. All the players are constantly moving, depending on what the PG does. Your essentially reloading the position at the top of the circle and repeating the attack from there. Your constantly trying to create bigger lanes to attack the basket from, and get mismatches.

Obviously there will have to be some adjustments by Karl and by Cousins and Gay. Gay has been at his best from midrange, and Cousins is a great post player. However, this type of offense may allow Cousins to get a lot of easy baskets without having to tank his way to the basket every time. Because of this offense, I see Cauley-Stein starting over Koufos. Neither is a great fit for this type of offense, but Cauley-Stein's ability to run the floor, similar to how Karl used Faried, fits better than Koufos. Your never going to have five perfect players that fit whatever offense the coach is running. There's always going to be adjustments. It should be interesting to see what Karl comes up with. The perfect scenario for this offense would be with Gay at the PF spot. Not my favorite idea, but who knows. If it works, then it works. I won't argue with success.
 
bajaden said:
First we have to see how strict of a dribble drive offense Karl runs. Knowing that will tell us a lot about he'll use Cousins. Remember, the DDO was developed with the idea of just one post player on the floor. Every other player is a perimeter player. When run strictly, the only player that sets up inside the three point circle is the post player, usually on the left side of the basket near the baseline. He becomes the recipient of lobs, dunks, or missed layups, along with dishes. Every other player sets up outside the three point line with the PG being the player who penetrates. The PG has a ton of options once he gets into the lane and I won't bore you by going through all of them.

The no/no's in this offense are: 1. You never ever stay in one spot and just dribble the ball. If you have the ball, your options are, you shoot the ball. You pass the ball, or you put the ball on the floor and attack the basket. 2. You never take a midrange shot unless you have no other option. Why? Because statistically its a lower percentage shot than any shot at the basket, or the corner three. 3. No one stays in the same position. All the players are constantly moving, depending on what the PG does. Your essentially reloading the position at the top of the circle and repeating the attack from there. Your constantly trying to create bigger lanes to attack the basket from, and get mismatches.

Obviously there will have to be some adjustments by Karl and by Cousins and Gay. Gay has been at his best from midrange, and Cousins is a great post player. However, this type of offense may allow Cousins to get a lot of easy baskets without having to tank his way to the basket every time. Because of this offense, I see Cauley-Stein starting over Koufos. Neither is a great fit for this type of offense, but Cauley-Stein's ability to run the floor, similar to how Karl used Faried, fits better than Koufos. Your never going to have five perfect players that fit whatever offense the coach is running. There's always going to be adjustments. It should be interesting to see what Karl comes up with. The perfect scenario for this offense would be with Gay at the PF spot. Not my favorite idea, but who knows. If it works, then it works. I won't argue with success.
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Here is a quote from above:

"According to Walberg, the Nuggets only ran the true dribble drive about 5 percent of the time"

This makes me think we will see a mixture of looks with the "Dribble Drive" being just one of them. I am hoping to see more motion based offense that leads to a balanced attack with Boogie still featured in the post. But with a nice percentage of easy scoring.
 
King Baller said:
Here is a quote from above:

"According to Walberg, the Nuggets only ran the true dribble drive about 5 percent of the time"

This makes me think we will see a mixture of looks with the "Dribble Drive" being just one of them. I am hoping to see more motion based offense that leads to a balanced attack with Boogie still featured in the post. But with a nice percentage of easy scoring.
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Well, the dribble drive offense has a lot of motion in it. Either the ball, or the players, or both are moving. I guess we'll see.
 
King Baller said:
Here is a quote from above:

"According to Walberg, the Nuggets only ran the true dribble drive about 5 percent of the time"

This makes me think we will see a mixture of looks with the "Dribble Drive" being just one of them. I am hoping to see more motion based offense that leads to a balanced attack with Boogie still featured in the post. But with a nice percentage of easy scoring.
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I think the basic idea from what Karl talked about last year was motion any way they can get it. They ran a lot of pick and roll last year mainly for motion purposes too because this team isn't the most effective pick and roll team but it's the most simple play you can run that involves more than one player. They should be better with Cauley-Stein, Acy, and Koufos on board though. I just hope we see more of Cousins' passing skills. There is no reason every time he gets the ball it shouldn't turn into a great opportunity for himself or someone else with a pass to the wing or via the backdoor. He can truly do it all. I also wouldn't mind seeing a little more dish out to him for the jumper a la CWebb. I think Cousins is going to have to be a spacer for a chunk of the time this year depending on the rotation they work with. A set elbow 2 pointer should be butter for him. It would also give him a chance to pump fake and drive from that position as well.

As an aside, if anyone has watched any NBATV lately they seem to be showing a crap ton of George Karl games from the many teams he's coached. While personalities may clash I'm not too worried about how Karl wants his teams to play ball. He's the kind of coach that is going to use his best players to their strengths and do whatever needs to be done. Although it is true he's never really had a Cousins type of player to work with so we shall see. I liked what we saw last year late in the year.
 
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