The Brad Miller Rumor?

[Big Cuz 15]

Brilliant. Absolutely love this idea.

BTW, just continuing the thought/game, this is how you could go about rebuilding in a hurry (whetehr you would be any good at the end fo the process or not):

To Indiana:
Brad Miller
Keyon Dooling

To Sacramento:
Jameer Nelson
David Harrison
Grant Hill

To Orlando:
Mike Bibby
Stephen Jackson
Sarunas Jasikevicius

Approved on realgm.

If you could somehow dump KT in the process then you would really have something. But in any case, if you were going to rebuild with youth, that is how you would do it. Land a young center + a young PG to replace your largest contracts, and clear monster caproom next season (Corliss -$6.5mil, Potapenko -$3.7mil, Hart $1.7mil, Hill $16.9mil, Woods $1mil Price $0.7mil = $30.5mil total) to sign whatever free agents you wanted. Reemerge like a Phoenix after one down year.

Of course if it doesn't work, its a one way ticket to lotteryville.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

How bout Brad + Garcia and a 1st round pick for Salemburt and Iggy?

no thanks. i'd rather trade for expiring contracts and pull in some young stars with the caproom. it's not like we're contending with the team we currently have.

 

[whozit]

BTW, just continuing the thought/game, this is how you could go about rebuilding in a hurry (whetehr you would be any good at the end fo the process or not):

To Indiana:
Brad Miller
Keyon Dooling

To Sacramento:
Jameer Nelson
David Harrison
Grant Hill

To Orlando:
Mike Bibby
Stephen Jackson
Sarunas Jasikevicius

Approved on realgm.

If you could somehow dump KT in the process then you would really have something. But in any case, if you were going to rebuild with youth, that is how you would do it. Land a young center + a young PG to replace your largest contracts, and clear monster caproom next season (Corliss -$6.5mil, Potapenko -$3.7mil, Hart $1.7mil, Hill $16.9mil, Woods $1mil Price $0.7mil = $30.5mil total) to sign whatever free agents you wanted. Reemerge like a Phoenix after one down year.

Of course if it doesn't work, its a one way ticket to lotteryville.

Two things that go against this. First, if your proposing to do this before the season starts you are potentially sending a damning message. It could easily be taken in the wrong way by the voters. The second someone has already touched on, Sacramento isn't the most desirable destination. It would not take much to become the NBA's Siberia again. Especially, if things didn't work out quickly.

If your talking before the deadline and the team has a repeat of the beginning of last year, it would be worth considering.

 

[BigSong]

Two things that go against this. First, if your proposing to do this before the season starts you are potentially sending a damning message. It could easily be taken in the wrong way by the voters. The second someone has already touched on, Sacramento isn't the most desirable destination. It would not take much to become the NBA's Siberia again. Especially, if things didn't work out quickly.

If your talking before the deadline and the team has a repeat of the beginning of last year, it would be worth considering.

says you. as long as the maloofs are the owners we should always be able to maintain a decent talent pool. thomas was the reason we sucked, not the city of sacramento.

 

[ForlornKing]

BTW, just continuing the thought/game, this is how you could go about rebuilding in a hurry (whetehr you would be any good at the end fo the process or not):

To Indiana:
Brad Miller
Keyon Dooling

To Sacramento:
Jameer Nelson
David Harrison
Grant Hill

To Orlando:
Mike Bibby
Stephen Jackson
Sarunas Jasikevicius

Approved on realgm.

If you could somehow dump KT in the process then you would really have something. But in any case, if you were going to rebuild with youth, that is how you would do it. Land a young center + a young PG to replace your largest contracts, and clear monster caproom next season (Corliss -$6.5mil, Potapenko -$3.7mil, Hart $1.7mil, Hill $16.9mil, Woods $1mil Price $0.7mil = $30.5mil total) to sign whatever free agents you wanted. Reemerge like a Phoenix after one down year.

Of course if it doesn't work, its a one way ticket to lotteryville.

Orlando would never do that. Nelson is their future.

 

[Gary]

Oh yeah lets trade an all star C who is still happens to be one of the best in the league at his position for a one dimentional role player who is injury prone. And while we are at it, lets bring another nutjob and pair him with Artest. Oh and while we are at it, lets change our name to Indiana Pacers

In case you didn't realise, the trick of the trade is to actually improve the team (improve the talent) not the other way around

I agree with you. Foster is nowhere near the C brad is. He may be able to rebound, and he is BIG, but he is not better all around than brad.

I would take one brad over 2 jeffs.

 

[Bricklayer]

Orlando would never do that. Nelson is their future.

Oh they might -- Howard is the future, and hopefully Howard/Darko.

In any case, note that they pick up both Bibby and Jackson in that deal, for this starting 5-some:

C- Darko Milicic
PF- Dwight Howard
SF- Hedo Turkoglu
OG- Stephen Jackson
PG- Mike Bibby

Bench: PF/C Battie, PG- Arroyo, PG/OG Jasikvecius, SF Ariza, OG Reddick

which adds up to a serious team with a chance to be REAL good real soon. Like maybe even ECF good.

 

[Kings113]

Plus Orlando has a bench of: Ariza/Redick/Bogans/Arroyo/Battie/Outlaw/Sarunas (if he stays) - defense, hustle, offense.

I think they'd do that deal...

 

[Bricklayer]

Plus Orlando has a bench of: Ariza/Redick/Bogans/Arroyo/Battie/Outlaw/Sarunas (if he stays) - defense, hustle, offense.

I think they'd do that deal...

Oops, sorry, I went back to edit my post and simulposted the bench + did not see you had already posted it.


Anyway, just a thought.

 

[SacTownKid]

BTW, just continuing the thought/game, this is how you could go about rebuilding in a hurry (whetehr you would be any good at the end fo the process or not):

To Indiana:
Brad Miller
Keyon Dooling

To Sacramento:
Jameer Nelson
David Harrison
Grant Hill

To Orlando:
Mike Bibby
Stephen Jackson
Sarunas Jasikevicius

Approved on realgm.

If you could somehow dump KT in the process then you would really have something. But in any case, if you were going to rebuild with youth, that is how you would do it. Land a young center + a young PG to replace your largest contracts, and clear monster caproom next season (Corliss -$6.5mil, Potapenko -$3.7mil, Hart $1.7mil, Hill $16.9mil, Woods $1mil Price $0.7mil = $30.5mil total) to sign whatever free agents you wanted. Reemerge like a Phoenix after one down year.

Of course if it doesn't work, its a one way ticket to lotteryville.

But sign who? Who will be on the market better than Brad and Mike?

 

[BMiller52]

But sign who? Who will be on the market better than Brad and Mike?

Exactly, that's what I want to ask too. Who will there be? The Magic wouldn't let Darko go, the clips wouldn't let Kaman go. Those are probably the only two centers who would help us rebuild on the fly.

IMO this rebuilding talk should stop. We are close to being a contender IMO, Petrie needs to wait until he finds the guy who can take us over the top.

 

[Bricklayer]

But sign who? Who will be on the market better than Brad and Mike?

Be an interesting year for FAs -- depending on who opts out it can either be a mediocre or exceedingly strong market.

But note:

1) Jameer Nelson is already the Bibby replacement in that scenario, and that might not be much of a downgrade at allo. Consider Jameer's numbers last year (his second): 28.8min 14.6pts (.483 FG% .424 3pt% .779 FT%) 2.9rebs 4.9ast 1.1stl 0.2blk 2.4TO, and as a starter: 31.9min 16.0pts 3.0reb 5.8ast.

2) which means that the only thing you are really having to replace is Brad, and that's assuming Harrison is not up to the task. Meanwhile you have cleared $20+ million off your cap, can sign TWO major FAs if you want, can take back more salary than you trade away in a trade, can sign any and all midlevel FAs at will, and have a young core that, the PF mess aside, can grow together for 5 years at least.

3) and maybe you don't spend it all in one year -- it carries over + continues to give you freedom going forward.

Here is one list of the '07 FAs + possible FA's:
Player Option Year
Aleksander Pavlovic team
Earl Boykins player
Mickael Pietrus team
Eduardo Najera player
Mike Bibby player
Anderson Varejao
Jake Tsakalidis
Mike Sweetney team
Andres Nocioni
Jalen Rose
Moochie Norris
Antonio McDyess player
Jamaal Magloire
Morris Peterson
Antwan Jamison player
Jarvis Hayes team
Ndudi Ebi team
Boris Diaw team
Jerome Williams team
Nick Collison team
Brian Cook team
Jerry Stackhouse
P J Brown
Calvin Booth
Joe Smith
Pat Garrity player
Jonathan Bender
Peter John Ramos
Charlie Ward
Josh Howard team
Predrag Drobnjak team
Chauncey Billups player
Kendrick Perkins team
Primoz Brezec
Kirk Hinrich team
Raef LaFrentz player
Chris Kaman team
Leandro Barbosa team
Rashard Lewis player
Chris Mihm
Reece Gaines team
Corliss Williamson
Lionel Chalmers team
Rodney White
Dahntay Jones team
Luke Ridnour team
Royal Ivey
Darko Milicic team
Maciej Lampe team
T J Ford team
David West team
Malik Rose player
Travis Outlaw team
Derek Anderson
Marc Jackson
Vince Carter
Desmond Mason
Zarko Cabarkapa team
Dirk Nowitzki player
Maurice Taylor
Zoran Planinic team
Donta Smith team
Maurice Williams
Michael Doleac player

 

[BigWaxer]

I stopped reading about the second page post 3... Skimmed the rest.

This trade makes absolutely no sense to us. AT all.

I love the comments "muss would love foster"

I have to wonder if some of the fans here actually watch the NBA

 

[Kings113]

This trade makes absolutely no sense to us. AT all.



I love the comments "muss would love foster"

Well, you're showing lack of knowing on those two...

1. Once again, there is no set offer or rumored offer out there for Brad Miller. All that has been said is that it's rumored we are shopping him and the Pacers have interest. Myself, I haven't acted like anything is going to happen with this. But of course have put out how I'd feel in the situation of it.


2. Assuming that's sarcasm, Musselman would love Foster if we did get him. He loves defensive/effort/energy players. Foster is a good defensive big man who hustles all the time on both ends of the floor. Musselman rewards hustle. If you've listened to Eric's press conferences or read various interviews/articles, you'd know that.

Brian Cardinal was one of those kind of players for Musselman in Golden State, and because of his time under Muss, Cardinal got a great 6-year deal (from Brian's POV). Also, why do you think we got involved with Louis Amundson and Justin Williams? Both being energy/active/hustle/defensive players - Eric Musselman.

 

[walker60]

I stopped reading about the second page post 3... Skimmed the rest.

This trade makes absolutely no sense to us. AT all.

I love the comments "muss would love foster"

I have to wonder if some of the fans here actually watch the NBA

Haha, your post made me laugh. I have to agree with you, nobody in the entire NBA wants Jackson. If they did, he would be on their team. As far as Foster goes, he's an adequate backup who does only one thing well.

 

[Kings113]

Having watched Foster regularily for the last 2-3 seasons... Jeff is also a good post-defender, great at hustling (it's a key part of any sport and any team) and being a team-player on both sides of the floor. Which is definitely not just rebounding.

 

[SacTownKid]

Be an interesting year for FAs -- depending on who opts out it can either be a mediocre or exceedingly strong market.

But note:

1) Jameer Nelson is already the Bibby replacement in that scenario, and that might not be much of a downgrade at allo. Consider Jameer's numbers last year (his second): 28.8min 14.6pts (.483 FG% .424 3pt% .779 FT%) 2.9rebs 4.9ast 1.1stl 0.2blk 2.4TO, and as a starter: 31.9min 16.0pts 3.0reb 5.8ast.

2) which means that the only thing you are really having to replace is Brad, and that's assuming Harrison is not up to the task. Meanwhile you have cleared $20+ million off your cap, can sign TWO major FAs if you want, can take back more salary than you trade away in a trade, can sign any and all midlevel FAs at will, and have a young core that, the PF mess aside, can grow together for 5 years at least.

3) and maybe you don't spend it all in one year -- it carries over + continues to give you freedom going forward.

Here is one list of the '07 FAs + possible FA's:
Player Option Year
Aleksander Pavlovic team
Earl Boykins player
Mickael Pietrus team
Eduardo Najera player
Mike Bibby player
Anderson Varejao
Jake Tsakalidis
Mike Sweetney team
Andres Nocioni
Jalen Rose
Moochie Norris
Antonio McDyess player
Jamaal Magloire
Morris Peterson
Antwan Jamison player
Jarvis Hayes team
Ndudi Ebi team
Boris Diaw team
Jerome Williams team
Nick Collison team
Brian Cook team
Jerry Stackhouse
P J Brown
Calvin Booth
Joe Smith
Pat Garrity player
Jonathan Bender
Peter John Ramos
Charlie Ward
Josh Howard team
Predrag Drobnjak team
Chauncey Billups player
Kendrick Perkins team
Primoz Brezec
Kirk Hinrich team
Raef LaFrentz player
Chris Kaman team
Leandro Barbosa team
Rashard Lewis player
Chris Mihm
Reece Gaines team
Corliss Williamson
Lionel Chalmers team
Rodney White
Dahntay Jones team
Luke Ridnour team
Royal Ivey
Darko Milicic team
Maciej Lampe team
T J Ford team
David West team
Malik Rose player
Travis Outlaw team
Derek Anderson
Marc Jackson
Vince Carter
Desmond Mason
Zarko Cabarkapa team
Dirk Nowitzki player
Maurice Taylor
Zoran Planinic team
Donta Smith team
Maurice Williams
Michael Doleac player

With the exception of Lewis, Carter, and Billups, who will possibly be on the market, I don't see much reason to get the cap space after reading that list. Better off letting our expirings go and signing a guy for the MLE.

 

[walker60]

Be an interesting year for FAs -- depending on who opts out it can either be a mediocre or exceedingly strong market.

But note:

1) Jameer Nelson is already the Bibby replacement in that scenario, and that might not be much of a downgrade at allo. Consider Jameer's numbers last year (his second): 28.8min 14.6pts (.483 FG% .424 3pt% .779 FT%) 2.9rebs 4.9ast 1.1stl 0.2blk 2.4TO, and as a starter: 31.9min 16.0pts 3.0reb 5.8ast.

2) which means that the only thing you are really having to replace is Brad, and that's assuming Harrison is not up to the task. Meanwhile you have cleared $20+ million off your cap, can sign TWO major FAs if you want, can take back more salary than you trade away in a trade, can sign any and all midlevel FAs at will, and have a young core that, the PF mess aside, can grow together for 5 years at least.

3) and maybe you don't spend it all in one year -- it carries over + continues to give you freedom going forward.

Here is one list of the '07 FAs + possible FA's:
Player Option Year
Aleksander Pavlovic team
Earl Boykins player
Mickael Pietrus team
Eduardo Najera player
Mike Bibby player
Anderson Varejao
Jake Tsakalidis
Mike Sweetney team
Andres Nocioni
Jalen Rose
Moochie Norris
Antonio McDyess player
Jamaal Magloire
Morris Peterson
Antwan Jamison player
Jarvis Hayes team
Ndudi Ebi team
Boris Diaw team
Jerome Williams team
Nick Collison team
Brian Cook team
Jerry Stackhouse
P J Brown
Calvin Booth
Joe Smith
Pat Garrity player
Jonathan Bender
Peter John Ramos
Charlie Ward
Josh Howard team
Predrag Drobnjak team
Chauncey Billups player
Kendrick Perkins team
Primoz Brezec
Kirk Hinrich team
Raef LaFrentz player
Chris Kaman team
Leandro Barbosa team
Rashard Lewis player
Chris Mihm
Reece Gaines team
Corliss Williamson
Lionel Chalmers team
Rodney White
Dahntay Jones team
Luke Ridnour team
Royal Ivey
Darko Milicic team
Maciej Lampe team
T J Ford team
David West team
Malik Rose player
Travis Outlaw team
Derek Anderson
Marc Jackson
Vince Carter
Desmond Mason
Zarko Cabarkapa team
Dirk Nowitzki player
Maurice Taylor
Zoran Planinic team
Donta Smith team
Maurice Williams
Michael Doleac player

Thanks for the list. It could be a good year for FA's, but if teams re-sign their own guys...then it could end up being pretty poor...

 

[walker60]

Having watched Foster regularily for the last 2-3 seasons... Jeff is also a good post-defender, great at hustling (it's a key part of any sport and any team) and being a team-player on both sides of the floor. Which is definitely not just rebounding.

He's an okay post defender IMO. He's not a great leaper and he's not all that strong.

But you are right on bringing intangibles. He does hustle and he seems like a team player. But as far as on-court things go...he's really only good at one thing which is rebounding. That said, he is falt out awesome at it.

Don't get me wrong, he's a decent backup C and I would like to see him on the Kings. But I wouldn't want us to lose Brad Miller to get him...

 

[Kings113]

He's an okay post defender IMO. He's not a great leaper and he's not all that strong.

But you are right on bringing intangibles. He does hustle and he seems like a team player. But as far as on-court things go...he's really only good at one thing which is rebounding. That said, he is falt out awesome at it.

Don't get me wrong, he's a decent backup C and I would like to see him on the Kings. But I wouldn't want us to lose Brad Miller to get him...

Well, from what I've gathered, he's better than okay defending in the post. Which of course meant man-to-man, I know he's not a shotblocker.

Hustling, being a team-player and bringing intangibles includes on the court stuff. Taking charges, playing defense, diving for loose balls, deflecting and tipping balls, cutting to the basket for points, and just bringing energy in general. He does those things constantly and is part of his game aside from rebounding, which of course he's good at as well. Forgot to mention he can play PF significantly also because of his mobility.

 

[walker60]

Hustling, being a team-player and bringing intangibles includes on the court stuff. Taking charges, playing defense, diving for loose balls, deflecting and tipping balls, cutting to the basket for baskets, and just bringing energy in general. He does those things constantly and is part of his game aside from rebounding, which of course he's good at as well.

You do have a point there. His intangibles do lead to better on-court play for him.

 

[OldSchoolKing]

Any chance of getting our hands on Kaman in 07?

 

[BigWaxer]

Well, you're showing lack of knowing on those two...

1. Once again, there is no set offer or rumored offer out there for Brad Miller. All that has been said is that it's rumored we are shopping him and the Pacers have interest. Myself, I haven't acted like anything is going to happen with this. But of course have put out how I'd feel in the situation of it.


2. Assuming that's sarcasm, Musselman would love Foster if we did get him. He loves defensive/effort/energy players. Foster is a good defensive big man who hustles all the time on both ends of the floor. Musselman rewards hustle. If you've listened to Eric's press conferences or read various interviews/articles, you'd know that.

Brian Cardinal was one of those kind of players for Musselman in Golden State, and because of his time under Muss, Cardinal got a great 6-year deal (from Brian's POV). Also, why do you think we got involved with Louis Amundson and Justin Williams? Both being energy/active/hustle/defensive players - Eric Musselman.

No where in my post did I imply it was an offer or a real rumor-done deal situation. Actually my post was short and to the point. Why did you read into it? READ what I write nothing more nothing less. Then comment...

Oh and What coach besides NELI doesnt like energy/active/hustle/defensive players?

 

[BigWaxer]

He's an okay post defender IMO. He's not a great leaper and he's not all that strong.

But you are right on bringing intangibles. He does hustle and he seems like a team player. But as far as on-court things go...he's really only good at one thing which is rebounding. That said, he is falt out awesome at it.

Don't get me wrong, he's a decent backup C and I would like to see him on the Kings. But I wouldn't want us to lose Brad Miller to get him...

That is how I feel pretty much. Foster is not Brad, and agree Foster would be an awesome backup for us.

 

[Kings113]

No where in my post did I imply it was an offer or a real rumor-done deal situation. Actually my post was short and to the point. Why did you read into it? READ what I write nothing more nothing less. Then comment...

I read it, and I read into it because you included "this trade", when infact there is nothing of a trade yet.

This trade makes absolutely no sense to us. AT all.

Oh and What coach besides NELI doesnt like energy/active/hustle/defensive players?

So, you obviously knew that, then why did you even comment on me saying "Muss would love Foster."? (since I haven't really seen anyone else say it) I said that because from what I've come to is that Musselman emphasizes (sp) hustle and defensive play significantly more than other coaches, which adds to why Foster would be a nice fit if we got him. I figured it was obvious to most that's a big part of Musselman's make-up as a coach.

 

[OldSchoolKing]

he'll work harder and play better next season.

How many times have we heard this line?

 

[ForlornKing]

Oh they might -- Howard is the future, and hopefully Howard/Darko.

In any case, note that they pick up both Bibby and Jackson in that deal, for this starting 5-some:

C- Darko Milicic
PF- Dwight Howard
SF- Hedo Turkoglu
OG- Stephen Jackson
PG- Mike Bibby

Bench: PF/C Battie, PG- Arroyo, PG/OG Jasikvecius, SF Ariza, OG Reddick

which adds up to a serious team with a chance to be REAL good real soon. Like maybe even ECF good.

Howard is their main future.

They're building around Nelson,Howard,Milicic